MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[toooldtohoop]

Congrats Usee.  You the man!  Q did pretty well too.  Only I was silly enough to suggest Mike Mayberger.     Jordan Nelson will have to wait.  Mayberger graduates.  When I saw Tayvian Johnson play in the Shirk in a high school All-Star game I said he had the potential to become an All-CCIW player, and it has happened, Third Team this year.  Congrats to all the All-CCIW honorees. 

A great tournament upcoming at The Shirk. Wish I could be there.  Let's hope "home court" is all it's cracked up to be this weekend.

AndOne, you better get on down there and be sure to interview every single official, score-keeper and time-keeper to be sure none has a student, none is paying tuition at any of the competing schools! 

My prediction:   IWU over CC, Augie over WC, then IWU over Augie for the AQ.  WC and AC get bids, Carthage stays home.  IMHO.  Of course, I hope Q is right with his usually correct, annual calculations and the CCIW gets four teams in.  That would be grand.

A great, safe basketball-filled weekend to all.

IWU70

Do you understand, that if AndOne is accurate in what he is telling us, and if this turns out to be true...

that:

-one of the officials in an end of the season, championship deciding, tournament host deciding, NCAA host deciding games turns out to be the parent of an IWU student, who happens also to be on the women's basketball team, and said official was in the stands cheering for IWU before the men's game, and this same man was seen fraternizing with IWU athletes, and this same official called 50% more fouls than his partners in this same men's game, and he was working in violation of conference policy, and the IWU staff knew about it

that it might create cause for a lot of good questions and maybe some grave concerns??

Of course, if what AndOne tells us turns out to be untrue, then no worries.  See you this weekend.

[D-3 watcher]

While I agree that Jim O'Boye should not ref any CCIW games while his daughter is playing, let's not go overboard with this. Do you think he work hard all these years to become an official, send his daughter to IWU to play B-Ball, just to one day be in the position to help IWU win a CCIW crown. A crown they had already won earlier in the week.
Some of the words And One used in his posts were,
1) Seemed to be
2) Allegedly
3) May have Occurred
Let's don't drag the man down with a bunch of things that may not have happened, allegedly!!

[D-3 watcher]

I believe the rule is that you can't ref a game when your child is playing that sport. The question is whether the CCIW considers men's basketball the same sport as women's basketball.
I really don't know, while I don't think, it's a serious conflict of interest, it should be avoided.

[iwu70]

I agree that these kinds of conflict of interests or the perception of a possible conflict of interest should be avoided.  CCIW officialdom and the coordinator of the officiating in the league should examine and address it. 

There's always been a lot of friendly chatter and handshakes with the refs and with the coaches and staffs of all the programs before games.  This is not particularly, in itself, unusual.  I've seen it at almost every CCIW game I've ever attended.  And, I'm sure we'll find out that some of these guys are frat brothers with current players, coaches and assistant coaches.  This is part of the CCIW "old boys sports network."  Old as the hills. . .

I'm sure AndOne will keep us all informed.

IWU70

[veterancciwfan]

Regarding the post about NCC seniors playing at or above .500 for their 4-year careers: Is this a great stat to publicize? It wouldn't be big news at a lot of NCAA schools. AndOne: Have you ever thought about getting a part time job with a private detective agency? You would be very good at it.  Just kidding. Hope to see you at Shirk this weekend. The weather looks dicey for Friday night and Saturday. For restaurants near Shirk, try Tobin's Pizza on Main St. just west and slightly north of the IWU baseball field. Great pizza, spaghetti & chicken. Two IWU stats: Team 3-point % = .435 while averaging 9.8 3s per game.  Chicago has 9 losses and will probably have 10 after they host Wash. U. Saturday. Their regional ranking will help Wash. U. more than it helps any other Midwest Region ranked team.

[AndOne]

While I agree that Jim O'Boye should not ref any CCIW games while his daughter is playing, let's not go overboard with this. Do you think he work hard all these years to become an official, send his daughter to IWU to play B-Ball, just to one day be in the position to help IWU win a CCIW crown. A crown they had already won earlier in the week.
Some of the words And One used in his posts were,
1) Seemed to be
2) Allegedly
3) May have Occurred
Let's don't drag the man down with a bunch of things that may not have happened, allegedly!!

Heck no, O'Boye certainly never tried to put himself in position to help IWU win a CCIW crown." But, ya, when he found himself in that position he certainly didn't bother to try to remedy even the possibility of the appearance of any sort of impropriety. 

But----Lets get real here!

1. In my post I used "seemed to be," "allegedly," or "may have occurred" ONLY because I was not the one to personally observe the incidents occur. To suggest they didn't happen because this terminology was used is a weak attempt to refute well placed sources whose testimony there is no reason to question.

2. It is an indisputable, irrefutable, undeniable, and absolute fact that O'Boye violated CCIW rules in not advising CCIW officials that his daughter attends (and plays for) IWU, the school whose game he was about to work after sitting in the stands during the previous (women's) game and cheered for. If this isn't a conflict of interest, one can never exist.

3. It is an indisputable, irrefutable, undeniable, and absolute fact that on 1/4/13, O'Boye worked the IWU @ Elmhurst game which was immediately preceded by the IWU @ Elmhurst women's game in which O'Boye's daughter played.
Given that this same situation had occurred previously, how could both IWU athletic administration officials and Coach Ron Rose not know about the existing conflict of interest?

4. Wheaton Coach Mike Schauer was livid upon finding out about the situation. And while he made no accusations about any actual improprieties occurring during the game, he was reportedly very justifiably dismayed at IWU officials including Coach Rose for turning the other way and not saying anything about the situation that they almost assuredly knew existed.     

5. Once again, I do not believe the officiating was in any way the reason why IWU won. Their depth and talent were the telling factors that accounted for the victory. Being neither a Wheaton nor IWU fan, I had no iron in the fire, and didn't favor either team.
I was there only as a basketball fan who was fortunate enough to be able to take in a game between two excellent teams.

When I became aware of certain events that existed/occurred in conjunction with the game, I simply reported them as I thought other posters might find them interesting as i did. When further developments ensued, I investigated as best I could in order to present as complete a picture of the situation as possible. If thats a crime, frickin' shoot me.
To suggest events that were reported didn't actually take place just because certain terminology was used is an attempt to escape from the reality of the situation.     

[sac]

So........

anybody going to run a 5 guard offense on Friday?

[AndOne]

AndOne: Have you ever thought about getting a part time job with a private detective agency? You would be very good at it.  Just kidding. Hope to see you at Shirk this weekend. The weather looks dicey for Friday night and Saturday. For restaurants near Shirk, try Tobin's Pizza on Main St. just west and slightly north of the IWU baseball field. Great pizza, spaghetti & chicken.

* I know you'll be shocked, but I seem to remember being an insurance investigator for 30 years! 

* Unfortunately, I won't be able to be at the Shirk Center for Athletics and Recreation (love to iwu70 ) this weekend. When it became apparent that my Cardinals wouldn't be participating, I made other Friday evening plans and I'll be freezing my butt off Saturday at the Blackhawks outdoor game at Soldier Field.

* The eating establishment you mention sounds good. I know D-3 Watcher can also recommend some fabulous establishments!

[AndOne]

I agree that these kinds of conflict of interests or the perception of a possible conflict of interest should be avoided.  CCIW officialdom and the coordinator of the officiating in the league should examine and address it. 

There's always been a lot of friendly chatter and handshakes with the refs and with the coaches and staffs of all the programs before games.  This is not particularly, in itself, unusual.  I've seen it at almost every CCIW game I've ever attended.  And, I'm sure we'll find out that some of these guys are frat brothers with current players, coaches and assistant coaches.  This is part of the CCIW "old boys sports network."  Old as the hills. . .

I'm sure AndOne will keep us all informed.

IWU70

I think this situation has pretty much been played out. About all that remains is the question of whether O'Doye will be suspended or dismissed, and whether any IWU official or Ron Rose will receive any form of reprimand from the league office for not saying anything about the situation prior to the beginning of the game.

[iwu70]

AndOne, come on -- when sending me love at least get it right -- The Shirk Center for Athletics and Wellness! at Illinois Wesleyan University.  You are the top investigator after all.

We'll miss you at The Shirk this weekend, your NCC boys not being in attendance and all. 

Yes, I would guess the "situation" has pretty much played out . . . and was probably pretty much played out even before it began.  Time will tell if any further consequences or actions from the league luminaries or regulatory police. 

I'm more looking forward to the basketball games this weekend . . . and to hearing who made the women's All-CCIW teams. 

IWU70

[Titan Q]

I learned this morning that when Kaitlyn O'Boye decided to attend IWU last spring, Jim O'Boye notified the CCIW office immediately about this. 

I can't speak to what the CCIW office did with this information, and why they decided to continue to have him officiate IWU men's games.  But I would hope any suggestions that Illinois Wesleyan and Ron Rose have done something wrong by Jim O'Boye officiating IWU games would stop.

[USee]

I learned this morning that when Kaitlyn O'Boye decided to attend IWU last spring, Jim O'Boye notified the CCIW office immediately about this. 

I can't speak to what the CCIW office did with this information, and why they decided to continue to have him officiate IWU men's games.  But I would hope any suggestions that Illinois Wesleyan and Ron Rose have done something wrong by Jim O'Boye officiating IWU games would stop.

Did IWU notify the CCIW office/head of officials or did O'Boye do it? Your email seems to say it was O'Boye who notified them. That doesn't clear IWU from knowing the  (apparent) by-law and notifying the appropriate people.

If O'Boye told the CCIW office and they assigned him anyway, that is on the CCIW for not following their own rules. But IWU has a responsibility to notify the CCIW as much as O'Boye. They can't wipe their hands clean if an IWU parent is officiating their team for the second time in a season unless they proactively said something. I don't know if they did or didn't but I don't think it's fair to say they have no responsibility in this.

[Iwufan]

I learned this morning that when Kaitlyn O'Boye decided to attend IWU last spring, Jim O'Boye notified the CCIW office immediately about this. 

I can't speak to what the CCIW office did with this information, and why they decided to continue to have him officiate IWU men's games.  But I would hope any suggestions that Illinois Wesleyan and Ron Rose have done something wrong by Jim O'Boye officiating IWU games would stop.

I think it is time to stop this topic and not accuse the official or anyone on IWU staff of any wrong doing.  If the CCIW knew of his situation and assigned him to IWU games, there is where the fault should lie.  No one here had any comments after the Elmhurst game back in January, so why now?  The officials as stated here did not determine the outcome of a very good college game last Saturday night. 

[USee]

I learned this morning that when Kaitlyn O'Boye decided to attend IWU last spring, Jim O'Boye notified the CCIW office immediately about this. 

I can't speak to what the CCIW office did with this information, and why they decided to continue to have him officiate IWU men's games.  But I would hope any suggestions that Illinois Wesleyan and Ron Rose have done something wrong by Jim O'Boye officiating IWU games would stop.

I think it is time to stop this topic and not accuse the official or anyone on IWU staff of any wrong doing.  If the CCIW knew of his situation and assigned him to IWU games, there is where the fault should lie.  No one here had any comments after the Elmhurst game back in January, so why now?  The officials as stated here did not determine the outcome of a very good college game last Saturday night.

Why so defensive? As I mentioned, if IWU knew the CCIW office had been notified then It's on the CCIW office. If they didn't know, then they should have told the CCIW office themselves. Those are facts that can be known. Not accusation or heresay. We may never know. And please stop saying the officials didn't determine the outcome. That has been established and is irrelevant to conflict of interest question. As to the Elmhurst game in January, If someone had realized it I am sure it would have been mentioned. Again, the truth is a powerful thing. None of us here should be afraid or defensive of the facts.

[Titan Q]

As I mentioned, if IWU knew the CCIW office had been notified then It's on the CCIW office. If they didn't know, then they should have told the CCIW office themselves.

IWU knew that O'Boye notified the CCIW league office the moment he did it.