MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[thunder38]

I think can all agree on the fact that we will likely not be seeing Mr. O'Boye in stripes this weekend at the Shirk Center for Educational Wellness Thinking and All Things Athletic Fitness Related at Illinois Wesleyan University in Bloomington, Illinois, United States. 

[Titan Q]

Sun-Times article...

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/25851762-419/illinois-wesleyan-eyeing-cciw-tournament.html

[AndOne]

As I mentioned, if IWU knew the CCIW office had been notified then It's on the CCIW office. If they didn't know, then they should have told the CCIW office themselves.

IWU knew that O'Boye notified the CCIW league office the moment he did it.

The problem with the above statement is it gives absolutely no information about how they knew.
And, they couldn't have known the moment he did it unless IWU has someone working in the CCIW office.

Also, if everything had been cleared beforehand, why was Wheaton Coach Schauer so upset when he found out the ref who worked his game has a student at IWU?

Lets say O'Boye notified the conference. Then it was the CCIW's responsibility to notify all IWU opponents whose games would be worked by O'Boye, that a ref would be working their game who had a daughter enrolled in the opposing school. If this was done, why was the Wheaton staff so upset? And, I think that its a tremendous conflict of interest to have a ref hugging a student or students of one institution and then a few minutes later be in a position of having to call infractions against that same school. I think most others would agree.
If you were a coach, would you want a guy calling your game who just a few minutes before the game was hugging and high-fiving students from the opposing school, especially when one was a family member? I think not.

Even if O'Boye notified the conference office, it seems like IWU had a secondary fiduciary responsibility to insure their opponents, whose games were worked by O'Boye, knew of the ref-IWU daughter relationship. This could have easily been addressed by having the head coach or his designee remind the opposing coach of the relationship prior to the beginning of the contest. 

If O'Boye didn't notify the office, then it was IWU's responsibility to make sure Wheaton knew.

[Pat Coleman]

As I mentioned, if IWU knew the CCIW office had been notified then It's on the CCIW office. If they didn't know, then they should have told the CCIW office themselves.

IWU knew that O'Boye notified the CCIW league office the moment he did it.

The problem with the above statement is it gives absolutely no information about how they knew.
And, they couldn't have known the moment he did it unless IWU has someone working in the CCIW office.

Mark -- I know you're kind of an old-school guy but I'm sure you've heard of cc'ing an email. Did that functionality never come up in your 30 years as an insurance investigator?

Heck, he could have called the conference office from the Shirk Center. Plenty of NON-NEFARIOUS ways this could have happened.

If there's a conspiracy, you'll have to keep digging.

[AndOne]

My prediction:   IWU over CC, Augie over WC, then IWU over Augie for the AQ.  WC and AC get bids, Carthage stays home.  IMHO.  Of course, I hope Q is right with his usually correct, annual calculations and the CCIW gets four teams in.  That would be grand.

A great, safe basketball-filled weekend to all.

IWU70

I think iwu70 has it accurately. IWU should dispatch Carthage. The Augie-Wheaton looks very close. I believe they split this season. Winner will likely be the one who rebounds and takes care of the ball best.
Either way, the winner will come away with a fairly empty tank which should allow for another IWU win Sat night.

In addition to their talent, IWU will enjoy the advantage of having home court. Surely the odds must be astronomical that IWU won't fail to seize this advantage for the the second year in a row after also having the advantage last year but failing to capitalize on it by losing to Augie the 1st night.

Should IWU win both nights, can they still emerge ranked 1st in the region going into the national tournament and have home court throughout?

[mwunder]

As I mentioned, if IWU knew the CCIW office had been notified then It's on the CCIW office. If they didn't know, then they should have told the CCIW office themselves.

IWU knew that O'Boye notified the CCIW league office the moment he did it.

The problem with the above statement is it gives absolutely no information about how they knew.
And, they couldn't have known the moment he did it unless IWU has someone working in the CCIW office.

Mark -- I know you're kind of an old-school guy but I'm sure you've heard of cc'ing an email. Did that functionality never come up in your 30 years as an insurance investigator?

Heck, he could have called the conference office from the Shirk Center. Plenty of NON-NEFARIOUS ways this could have happened.

If there's a conspiracy, you'll have to keep digging.

And that is what the youngsters call "getting Powned"

[AndOne]

As I mentioned, if IWU knew the CCIW office had been notified then It's on the CCIW office. If they didn't know, then they should have told the CCIW office themselves.

IWU knew that O'Boye notified the CCIW league office the moment he did it.

The problem with the above statement is it gives absolutely no information about how they knew.
And, they couldn't have known the moment he did it unless IWU has someone working in the CCIW office.

Mark -- I know you're kind of an old-school guy but I'm sure you've heard of cc'ing an email. Did that functionality never come up in your 30 years as an insurance investigator?

Heck, he could have called the conference office from the Shirk Center. Plenty of NON-NEFARIOUS ways this could have happened.

If there's a conspiracy, you'll have to keep digging.

Hmmmm......E-mail, huh? Gee, we did everything by rotary phone. 

Done digging------the shovel is broken! 

[rollthunder]

Has the CCIW ever considered having the semifinal matchup on Wednesday of tournament week and having the 2nd seed host the first round matchup? I think that makes much more sense because it rewards the two seed significantly over the three seed. Right now, there is no difference between finishing 2nd/3rd in the conference. Also, the 2nd/3rd matchup has no fan attendance. For example, the NCC/Wheaton game was at IWU and was attended by 20 fans. If that game was in Naperville, it's going to be a raucous crowd and a game that truly feels like a tournament game.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Curious... does the CCIW office assign officials? A lot of locations have a separate assigner... something I have pointed out changed dramatically here in the Pennsylvania, Maryland, Delaware, Virginia area for at least four, maybe five or more conferences. I am just curious who does the assigning out there.

[bopol]

Should IWU win both nights, can they still emerge ranked 1st in the region going into the national tournament and have home court throughout?

I like the chances of IWU hosting 2nd round if the NCAA desire to avoid flight is as high as been said (want tournament opponents within 500 miles of host site).  I think there is a strong possibility that there will be 1st round pods in UWSP, UWW, St.Thomas or St. Norbert, Wash U, IWU, Centre and Wooster. 

For the 2nd roundweekend, you can have the UWSP host the winners of a UWW and St. Thomas/Norbert pod (as well as a fly-in (UT-Dallas?).  Then you have the winners of the 4 pods (Wash U, IWU, Centre and Wooster) in either Bloomington (which probably wouldn't require flights) or St. Louis (which would). 

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

2nd round or 2nd weekend?!

IWU will have the advantage in the second weekend because Wash U's women's program will have priority over Wash U men for hosting in the second weekend (thus the men have priority this year in the first weekend).

[AndOne]

Curious... does the CCIW office assign officials? A lot of locations have a separate assigner... something I have pointed out changed dramatically here in the Pennsylvania, Maryland, Delaware, Virginia area for at least four, maybe five or more conferences. I am just curious who does the assigning out there.

The CCIW has a "Coordinator of Men's Basketball Officials." I don't know if he both hires and assigns the refs or just fulfills one of those roles. As the CCIW administration is composed only of a Commissioner and Ass't Commissioner/SID, it would seem they likely have their hands full with other duties, so I think the assumption can logically be made that the Coordinator assigns the basketball officials. 

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

... versus an assigner outside of the conference then ...

[D-3 watcher]

And One, your dislike for IWU is never ending.
Why would any IWU official be reprimanded. Why would coach Rose be in any trouble? Neither Coach Rose or anybody from IWU, has anything to do with assigning referees. I'll bet the CCIW  did know that O'Boye had a child playing in the CCIW, and that it was in a different sport than the one he worked in.
What would you like Coach Rose to do, drop out of the CCIW tourney, and let an under archiving NCC team play in it. After all they did get first place of the bottom four teams.
Last year you jumped all over IWU fans. This year you jumped all over an IWU player for being happy when he makes a basket. Now you want Coach Rose reprimanded for allowing a man to work a game, that he had nothing to do with hiring.
And if your going to keep talking about him, get his name correct, it's , O'Boye, with a B. Not O'Doye with a D.. It's bad enough you questioning him and IWU and Coach Rose, you can at least get his name right.

[AndOne]

... versus an assigner outside of the conference then ...

I guess that would depend on whether "outside" the conference means someone who is not actually employed/paid by the conference.
When you say a "assigner" and "outside" the conference do you mean someone who is not employed by the conference. If he is assigning conference officials, but is not an actual conference employee, who pays him?