MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Titan Q]

I've heard the Rothschild kid is going to prep school next year.   

I heard the same thing from a coach who was in Salem this weekend.

[Gregory Sager]

I've heard the Rothschild kid is going to prep school next year.  Will try to improve his stock-  not sure how often that works.  He had offers from NIU, UIC, Chicago St and one other D1 I can't remember.

Fine with me. I was certainly not eager to see him wearing a Wheaton uniform.

[veterancciwfan]

SJ2: Your initial post was superb. Many of your observations are why so many talented high school senior b'ball players seriously consider enrolling at IWU. And I'll second your praise for D3 hoops which makes the basketball season even more enjoyable. Thank you Pat Coleman for all you do for all of us fanatical D3 fans!

[veterancciwfan]

One last comment. The Mayberger charge call certainly did not change the outcome, but it was right in front of me and was a pathetically bad call. The Whitewater defender slid under Mayberger. There was incidental contact and the Whitewater defender flopped. For any good ref, it was a no call. Just because either an offensive or defensive player winds up on the floor doesn't mean that a foul occurred. But many refs seem to think the whistle must blow while they make up their minds on whom they will call for the foul. I talked to Mike at the post game party and his version confirmed what I saw. On the flip side, IWU fans can be very thankful that the ref called the Webster post player for an illegal screen with 3.6 seconds left to seal the win for IWU, a call that was very quesionable. You win some and lose some. 5 of 23 3s is not going to win a big game against a good team. And going 18/27 at the line won't either. Now I have to contend with my putrid Cubs. Better choice-- IWU baseball.

[AppletonRocks]

Putrid Cubs?   

I expect them to be strong this year. 

[iwu70]

Add my thanks to Pat for the D3hoops.com site.  Much appreciated and enjoyed, all season long.  Those of us in far-flung places especially appreciate this way of keeping in touch with our college loyalties, with D3 sports, and with chatroom friends and competitors.  Season over now, a very good one for IWU, though disappointing at the end, of course.  Still 27-5 is not chopped liver -- and we are very proud of our Titans, our program and our University.  Thanks to all the chatsters here who make this room so informative and entertaining. (well, except for AppleRocks!). 

Yes, I'm heading back to my opera and my Dawn Upshaw CDs now.  Not sure my Yanks are going to be all that much better than the Cubs, so I'll go with IWU baseball and softball when back in the Midwest in May and following.  IWU baseball not looking all that strong so far, though the softball team looks very good, with some exciting new players, pitchers.  And, Lacrosse is still undefeated, in its inaugural season.  So I can't complain.  Much to be thankful for in this long and exciting basketball season.

Thanks again, Pat and all the D3hoops.com folks.

IWU70

[Mr. Ypsi]

Got back from Salem about 4 hours ago, and have been catching up.  I made the two posts from the motel computer on Friday (but it was SO slow it was painful, so I never followed up).  I was still in pain, so apologies if it sounded like I was giving more fault to the zebras than credit to UWW; they played great, but I thought IWU deserved the win just as much EXCEPT for the totally uncharacteristic muffed open 3s at the end.  A bad combination when KJ Evans has his best game as a Warhawk and Jordan Nelson has his worst game as a Titan on the same night!

Pat: I stand by my officiating comments.  In the first half, I thought the zebras called it too tight on both teams.  But in the second half, I thought they became extremely inconsistent on their calls (to the disfavor of the Titans).  When the offensive player leads with his shoulder and initiates contact, I have no problem with it being a charge whether or not the defensive player was set (or being a charge only if the defender IS clearly set) - as long as it is called consistently.  I readily admit to not being an unbiased observer, but to these eyes trying to be unbiased, in the second half there were at least 7-8 times where a Titan leading with his shoulder was called for a charge when the defender was clearly not set, while Warhawks leading with the shoulder got a blocking foul unless the Titan defender was clearly set.

BTW, after coming so far to Salem, I feel a bit the fool.  Being so distraught after Friday and wanting to reward Mrs. Y for putting up with my fetish (when she has no ties whatsoever to d3, and is not even a sports fan) and since Saturday was SO gorgeous and warm (40 degrees warmer than Ypsi), we went on bike trails instead of going to Saturday's games.  Since we got back to the motel by 5 (I had it somehow in my mind that the title game was at 3:30, not 5:30), and the Civic Center was 3 minutes from our motel, after reading the accounts I REALLY regret not seeing the game.

[Pat Coleman]

It was a great day to go biking but yeah, you missed a helluva game.

No comment on the inconsistency. I'll agree with Bob's take on the one charge because that was not one I was thinking about, but I just don't really agree. One man's block is another man's charge.

[badgerwarhawk]

I'm curious do you guys think that every bad call made in the game was made against IWU and all of the calls made against the WARHAWKS were solid, on the money calls?  My experience is that bad calls generally go both ways but I didn't see the game so I don't really know. 

[devildog29]

I'm curious do you guys think that every bad call made in the game was made against IWU and all of the calls made against the WARHAWKS were solid, on the money calls?  My experience is that bad calls generally go both ways but I didn't see the game so I don't really know.

My contention was never about the calls being good or bad, but rather just the overall manner or style of how the game was called. Any minor amount of contact was an automatic whistle. I thought it was called unusually tight. I know Victor Davis was called for 4 charging fouls alone and the team had another 2 or 3 called. I'm not saying that none of them were legit charging calls, but in most games I've seen, they were at most a no call. I don't think I can recall a game where some contact on the blocks resulted in so many charging calls. By letter of the law, they may all be charges. By practice, though, I'm not used to seeing a game called that way. As a result, what hurt, is that the style of officiating made us rely entirely too much on our outside shooting, where we clearly failed miserably. We became too much of a one dimensional team which isn't going to cut it against the likes of UWW.

[GoPerry]

I'm curious do you guys think that every bad call made in the game was made against IWU and all of the calls made against the WARHAWKS were solid, on the money calls?  My experience is that bad calls generally go both ways but I didn't see the game so I don't really know.

My contention was never about the calls being good or bad, but rather just the overall manner or style of how the game was called. Any minor amount of contact was an automatic whistle. I thought it was called unusually tight. I know Victor Davis was called for 4 charging fouls alone and the team had another 2 or 3 called. I'm not saying that none of them were legit charging calls, but in most games I've seen, they were at most a no call. I don't think I can recall a game where some contact on the blocks resulted in so many charging calls. By letter of the law, they may all be charges. By practice, though, I'm not used to seeing a game called that way. As a result, what hurt, is that the style of officiating made us rely entirely too much on our outside shooting, where we clearly failed miserably. We became too much of a one dimensional team which isn't going to cut it against the likes of UWW.

IWU on Friday:  57 FG attempts, which was slightly above their season average.  23 3-pointers attempted which is exactly their season average.  So those #s don't much support that the Titans played any different sort of game than normal.  Admittedly, there's no way to capture attempts in the paint vs attempts from 15' - 20'9"unless somebody charted it.

[mwunder]

I'm curious do you guys think that every bad call made in the game was made against IWU and all of the calls made against the WARHAWKS were solid, on the money calls?  My experience is that bad calls generally go both ways but I didn't see the game so I don't really know.

As someone who watched the game without green OR purple glasses on, the two times I posted "bad call" on this site were both against IWU.  There was at least one other call later in the game that went against the Titans as well.  These three were TERRIBLE calls.  Could other calls have gone against Whitewater that shouldn't have?  Sure.  But these three were just flat out bad.

[devildog29]

I'm curious do you guys think that every bad call made in the game was made against IWU and all of the calls made against the WARHAWKS were solid, on the money calls?  My experience is that bad calls generally go both ways but I didn't see the game so I don't really know.

My contention was never about the calls being good or bad, but rather just the overall manner or style of how the game was called. Any minor amount of contact was an automatic whistle. I thought it was called unusually tight. I know Victor Davis was called for 4 charging fouls alone and the team had another 2 or 3 called. I'm not saying that none of them were legit charging calls, but in most games I've seen, they were at most a no call. I don't think I can recall a game where some contact on the blocks resulted in so many charging calls. By letter of the law, they may all be charges. By practice, though, I'm not used to seeing a game called that way. As a result, what hurt, is that the style of officiating made us rely entirely too much on our outside shooting, where we clearly failed miserably. We became too much of a one dimensional team which isn't going to cut it against the likes of UWW.

IWU on Friday:  57 FG attempts, which was slightly above their season average.  23 3-pointers attempted which is exactly their season average.  So those #s don't much support that the Titans played any different sort of game than normal.  Admittedly, there's no way to capture attempts in the paint vs attempts from 15' - 20'9"unless somebody charted it.

Yes, I understand on the season, we average quite a few 3 pt attempts. However, average implies there are games where we shoot less, like maybe a game when 3 pt shots aren't falling?

[sac]

http://cciw.org/custompages/CCIW_Links/MBasketball/Stats/1314/iwu.htm

IWU attempted over 20 3's per game 24 times this season in 32 games.  The low was 9 in the regular season finale at Wheaton.

Friday was IWU's second worst shooting performance of the season from 3, the previous was 2-10 against North Central.  On the year IWU made 5 or more 3's in all but 2 games.

Shooting and making a lot of 3's was an important part of IWU season long success.  41% of all IWU's attempted shots were 3's.  That's just the kind of team they were.

[AndOne]

As a former player under Coach Rose, obviously not hiding my identity through my username, I wanted to share my thoughts on IWU's senior class. I won't touch on the game, as I think everyone here has adequately summed up last night's matchup.

IWU's senior class this year deserves the utmost praise from any person who values what the experience of being a Division III student-athlete is about. Each senior carries a tremendous GPA, is actively involved in some type of community service, a few are very involved in campus ministry, all put in extra time in the gym, and I think if you ask anyone at IWU they would say this group is friendly, engaging, and very coachable. Not to mention the unselfishness of the group who in four years have accepted any role given to them without ever a complaint. Without waxing poetic completely, this group is full of good basketball players who are better people and make IWU the program it is.

Sean---

I have no doubt that this year's group of IWU seniors are all, in addition to being good basketball players, fine young men with many admirable qualities. However, and I hope this doesn't come as too much of a shock to you, I bet the same could be said about the senior members of most, if not all, of the other CCIW member schools. I can personally state and vouch for the fact that the qualities you enumerated are also very descriptive of the senior members of the North Central Cardinals. All are great guys, who have achieved a high degree of success over the course of their basketball careers, who pay attention to their classroom work and, most importantly, are high character people who represent themselves well both on and off the court. And, as I said, I'm quite sure this also applies equally to the other conference schools.

I respect and admire your support of your former team's senior class. I just thought it equitably important to point out the fact that IWU certainly doesn't have the market cornered when it comes to CCIW schools who are fortunate enough to be represented by high achieving and high character student-athletes. I hope you and all other IWU fans/posters can respect a parallel stance.