MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Mr. Ypsi]

Happens pretty frequently Ypsi. Furthermore, I'd bet its not very often when a JUCO kid transfers to a D3 that the D3 is too far away, especially in a well populated area where there are several 4 year schools from which to choose. Its not like a transfer to a D1 where a kid might go to a JUCO in Iowa or Kansas and end up at a D1 in California or South Carolina.

Understood that it is frequent.  That doesn't make it any less shameful.

[AndOne]

I hope you didn't/don't think it was my intent to disagree with you on that fact, Ypsi. 

[AppletonRocks]

At least a sufficient number of his CC credits will successfully transfer. Many times student-athletes get poor advice at CCs as to which courses to take in preparation for transfer to a NCAA four year institution. Accordingly, after 2 years, its often discovered that not all credits will be accepted at the NCAA school, and the student-athlete ends up at an NAIA school or spending a 3rd year at the CC, but not playing basketball due to his CC eligibility being used up.

Shame, shame to those CCs, especially if the transfer is to a fairly local 4-year.  My younger son started at Washtenaw CC (to save his old man some tuition dollars - thanks, son, for the thought, but what am I gonna do with the $20,000 or so that will be left over in your MESP account when you graduate from EMU?); every single credit transferred without a hitch.  If the transfer is to an out-of-state school, I can understand not knowing the 4-year's requirements (though a quick internet search should solve the problem); to a more local 4-year, disgusting if a counselor doesn't know.

I think you can use 529 account money to go to golf school or wine school.   Enjoy !!

[Gregory Sager]

Amherst still has Hixon as the coach but they did lose Toomey and company. Williams lost coach Maker, Robinson, Mayer, Epley & 2 backups that got minutes off the bench.

My bad - it was Williams, not Amherst, who lost their coach.

While it would infuriate partisans of both sides, to an outsider, Amherst and Williams seem like the same school!

To be sure Amherst and Williams are long time rivals.  Didn't know they were once the same school and I have family who went to both.

The trustees of Williams tried repeatedly to move the college in the first two decades of the nineteenth century, for the related reasons that the school was impoverished and Williamstown is so remote with respect to the main population centers of Massachusetts. The state legislature blocked the move in 1819. Finally, in 1821 the president of Williams, Zephaniah Moore, and about one-fifth of the Williams student body took it upon themselves to relocate to Amherst, a location more conducive to drawing students. In addition, there was also a high school (Amherst Academy) already situated there, which made the village an even more attractive site for a college.

I'm surprised you've never heard about this. This historical minutiae seems to come up pretty frequently in Amherst/Williams rivalry discussions (along with the apocryphal story that President Moore and the departing students looted the Williams library in order to furnish the new one at Amherst). I've seen it mentioned a time or two in the NESCAC room.

Williams is surely over rated after losing so very much.  Don't sell Amherst short, though.  Not only was their bench totally stocked last season; they have two D1 transfers who are expected to contribute significantly this season.
Keep your eye on David George.  He is the most athletic big guy in the NESCAC and a true defensive intimidator. 
Williams will be good, but clearly in rebuilding mode.  Not a top 25 team once league play begins.

And lest my name not tell you; I am not an Amherst fan.

I enjoy this board.

Thanks. We enjoy hearing from the NESCACers, too!

[iwu70]

IWU 2014-15 roster has been up for some time, at least for the returnees.  Key guys back are:  Overstreet, Sodemann, Dolan, Nelson, Marietti and T. Seibring.  Of course, lots of key guys, strong players, esp. at the 3 and 4 lost to graduation.  Guess its time for those good players waiting their turn to have their day -- perhaps Coyle, Heyen, Malhke, Nelms etc.  Current group of upperclassmen numbers 20.  This roster doesn't include the group of newbies, freshmen, numbering 6-7, including Ron Rose's son, who played his ball at Bloomington High.  Total roster eventually will be 27-28 players in all. Doubt if any freshmen sees major varsity minutes.  Strong group coming back, esp. on the perimeter, at the 1 and 2.  Key for IWU likely to be finding strength, rebounding, and scoring at the 3 and 4.  Marietti likely starter at the 5, perhaps backed up by T. Seibring.  Time will tell, only about 6 weeks now 'til tip off time.  Everyone seems to be saying that Augie is the favourite, but I think this IWU team could be pretty good.  The graduating group will surely be missed:  Davis, Zman, Mayberger, Dortch, Anderson, and B. Zimmer. 

Another year, a new team, a new chemistry and approach.  Likely a high percentage shooting team with a lot of scoring from the perimeter. 

IWU70

[Mr. Ypsi]

Mark, what position does Rose's son play?  CCIW teams have have great success with coach's sons, with Steve Djurickovic and Derek Raridon being the most prominent examples (and the Conway boys at NPU in football).

[Titan Q]

Mark, what position does Rose's son play?  CCIW teams have have great success with coach's sons, with Steve Djurickovic and Derek Raridon being the most prominent examples (and the Conway boys at NPU in football).

Brady Rose is a shooting guard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyMEgLzN5OY

[Mr. Ypsi]

Mark, what position does Rose's son play?  CCIW teams have have great success with coach's sons, with Steve Djurickovic and Derek Raridon being the most prominent examples (and the Conway boys at NPU in football).

Brady Rose is a shooting guard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyMEgLzN5OY

Thanks, Q.  I guess if he is a guard, he doesn't stand much chance of meaningful time this season, no matter how good he is!

How are the replacements up front shaping up?

[iwu70]

Yup, Brady Rose played the 1 and 2 in high school, I believe.  He was a great 3 ball shooter, can score the basketball.  Given all the perimeter experience IWU has coming back with Overstreet, Nelms, Dolan, Sodemann, Nelson and Stempel, (among others) I doubt Rose will see any varsity minutes, likely playing JV time this year.  The front court players are more a mystery to me, though I guess the best bet at present surely is Marietti at the 5, perhaps Coyle at the 4 -- not sure about the others, Mahlke, T. Sebring (likely a 5 backup), Heyen etc, others contending for the 3 or 4 spots and backups, or any of the newbies.  We'll see.  There are some early injuries so this picture could all change.  Hopefully these things will be sorted out before formal practices begin in a few weeks time.  This year's Titans look to be an up-tempo, perimeter shooting/scoring team, but will surely need rebounding and interior defence to be successful overall.  We'll hear more about possible front court options, at the 3, 4 and 5 once practices get under way and we see the Green/White scrimmage.  The 6'10" guy is on the team this year, and is still a developing project, as far as I know.   Stay tuned for more information, more "developments."

IWU70

[Titan Q]

Mark, what position does Rose's son play?  CCIW teams have have great success with coach's sons, with Steve Djurickovic and Derek Raridon being the most prominent examples (and the Conway boys at NPU in football).

Brady Rose is a shooting guard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyMEgLzN5OY

Thanks, Q.  I guess if he is a guard, he doesn't stand much chance of meaningful time this season, no matter how good he is!

How are the replacements up front shaping up?

IWU has a lot of returning guards, but I wouldn't completely rule out the thought of Brady Rose making the varsity rotation.  He can really, really shoot the basketball.  It might be a bit of a longshot at this point, but he's going to have a chance to compete for a spot.

I believe IWU will start 3 guards:

G - Overstreet
G - Nelson
G - Sodemann

Unfortunately, a few weeks ago Nelson broke the same ankle he did last year and is sidelined right up until the first day of practice.  The timing is better than last year, but the repeat injury is a huge concern for me. 

I think the frontcourt favorites are:

F - Coyle
C - Marietti

6-8 Trevor Seibring will almost certainly be a 3rd post in the mix, and there are some intriguing guys in the mix for that 4th post spot.

IWU has a bunch of questions in the frontcourt obviously, but the Titans could have very good frontline this year -- there is a lot of talent in this group.  I'm interested to see what it looks like in mid-November.

[iwu70]

Basically agree with Q.  If healthy, the three guard look seems likely, with Dolan, Stempel and Nelms there behind.  Sure hope Marietti, Seibring and Coyle stay healthy, as the Titans don't have all that much depth at the 4 and 5.  Heyen is still dealing with some injury issues, as is Nelson.  Others may need to step up.  IWU seems to have a ton of perimeter players, shooters -- including Dolan and Stempel.  Perhaps Brady Rose or others get into the mix, but sure seems Ron Rose must be most worried about the front court and where he's going to get interior D, rebounding and some scoring from the paint.  As I mentioned long ago, I wouldn't be too too surprised to see T. Seibring and Marietti on the floor at the same time.   Gonna be some interesting propositions for Coach Rose to consider.  No shortage of guys who will take a shot from almost anywhere on the floor -- not quite Jordan Zimmer-esque, but not far from it. 

Will be interesting to see if any of the guys coming back have really improved considerably or not, over the off-season lifting and workout period. 

IWU70

[AndOne]

Mark, what position does Rose's son play?  CCIW teams have have great success with coach's sons, with Steve Djurickovic and Derek Raridon being the most prominent examples (and the Conway boys at NPU in football).

Brady Rose is a shooting guard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyMEgLzN5OY

Thanks, Q.  I guess if he is a guard, he doesn't stand much chance of meaningful time this season, no matter how good he is!

How are the replacements up front shaping up?

IWU has a lot of returning guards, but I wouldn't completely rule out the thought of Brady Rose making the varsity rotation.  He can really, really shoot the basketball.  It might be a bit of a longshot at this point, but he's going to have a chance to compete for a spot.

I believe IWU will start 3 guards:

G - Overstreet
G - Nelson
G - Sodemann

Unfortunately, a few weeks ago Nelson broke the same ankle he did last year and is sidelined right up until the first day of practice.  The timing is better than last year, but the repeat injury is a huge concern for me. 

I think the frontcourt favorites are:

F - Coyle
C - Marietti

6-8 Trevor Seibring will almost certainly be a 3rd post in the mix, and there are some intriguing guys in the mix for that 4th post spot.

IWU has a bunch of questions in the frontcourt obviously, but the Titans could have very good frontline this yearned, and Nelson even better -- there is a lot of talent in this group.  I'm interested to see what it looks like in mid-November.

Anyone who knows the CCIW knows that IWU will have an exceptional guard corps this season. Accordingly, playing a 3 guard lineup may indeed provide the Green Team with the  best chance to maximize their resources. Overstreet may be the premier PG in the conference this year. Sideman is a good shooter, and Nelson even better. Other than Nelson, Dolan may be IWU's best shooter, and good enough to start at many schools. However, unfortunately for him, he is trapped behind  Sodemann and Nelson, and will now likely have the head coach's son nipping at his heels for PT.
It's both unfortunate Nelson broke his ankle, and surprising he didn't break one of those fingers he insists on continually shaking. If he's not at full strength to begin the season, Dolan is a more than adequate replacement, and perhaps this will also open a little court time for Rose.
Likewise, all those who follow the conference know that the front court will potentially be IWU's black hole this season. Especially after losing both starting forwards and both backups who collectively played just about every minute during the last two seasons. Coyle may indeed get the first shot at trying to partially fill the void, but he has been very prone to injury during his time at Wesleyan, and has seen little of anything other than the bench since his arrival on campus. Marietti has made definite improvement since his freshman year, but he has a tendency to disappear for extended periods of games.
I think much of Wesleyan's success this year will depend on finding a good starter and backup at the forward position, and an adequate backup for Marietti.

[Titan Q]

Anyone who knows the CCIW knows that IWU will have an exceptional guard corps this season. Accordingly, playing a 3 guard lineup may indeed provide the Green Team with the  best chance to maximize their resources. Overstreet may be the premier PG in the conference this year. Sideman is a good shooter, and Nelson even better. Other than Nelson, Dolan may be IWU's best shooter, and good enough to start at many schools. However, unfortunately for him, he is trapped behind  Sodemann and Nelson, and will now likely have the head coach's son nipping at his heels for PT.

Bryce Dolan plays PG -- he's been Dylan Overstreet's backup the last 2 seasons.  Brady Rose is a SG.  I don't see any competition between Dolan and Rose for PT.  Dolan should play the same role in played in 2013-14 at PG...if Rose earns time, it will be behind Jordan Nelson at the 2.

(Dolan isn't behind Sodemann and Nelson...he's behind Overstreet.)

[AndOne]

 Yep. Dolan has, at least to me, always seemed like such a good shooter it's hard to think of him as other than a SG. Wonder if Rose will be the #3 SG as a freshman?

Still seems like the keys in BN will be the emergence of a starter and primary backup at forward, and the development of a secondary player at the 5.

[iwu70]

I agree with AO on the issues the Titans face finding a good 3, 4 and 5, though clearly Marietti is scheduled in at the 5.  We'll see about Coyle at the 4 and whether Heyen is healthy enough to compete at the 3.  Otherwise, a three guard set-up comes into play and Dolan may indeed play more at the SG with Nelms coming into play backing up Overstreet.  I have no doubt that the development and play of Trevor Seibring is going to be key to the Titans' season in '14-15.  I'm pretty sure Stempel is currently ahead of Brady Rose as another SG.  Just say'in.  I could be all wrong, but I've seen what I've seen.  Seems to me unlikely that any freshman will get major PT this season, even if he shoots it well and is the Coach's son.  My bigger worry is about interior D, rebounding and some scoring production from the paint area, at the 4 and 5.  IMHO.  Time will tell. 

Q, is anyone else under serious consideration for the 4 or another 5 backup?  Seems the Titans are a bit thin in the post area, in rebounding. 

IWU70