MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[shepherd]

Final from Pella, IA...

Central 89
#1-Augustana 78

Does this Augie loss bring the western Vikings down to the level of the Green Team, and put the 2 clubs on equal footing as far as the battle for CCIW supremacy goes?

I'd say we'll know what to make of IWU after the next two games - vs Chicago and @ Wash U.

Q,

Wheaton lost close at home to Wash U and beat U Chicago handily on the road. What do you make of them?

Im no expert in BB like Q but I agree with what he said earlier in that they lack a post player.  The players on the floor missed nearly every shot from the post aprox 10-12 shots against Chicago.  They would be really good if they can figure something out on how to have a presence in the post both offensively and defensibly.    Besides Teuscher, DeMoss and Peter Smith - Luis Miller is really showing how smart a player he is.  So far he is shooting at 23-36 FG  .639 percent.  A team high %.  He doesn't take bad shots and opponents commentators have noted how cool he is under pressure.

[veterancciwfan]

I wouldn't necessarily insist on never using the words "credible" and "Grey Giovanine" in the same sentence, but any D3 team that could beat 150 D1 teams ("I know, I coached one for six years.") and loses by 10 to a school that has been primarily a football power (maybe a wrestling power too-a sport I don't follow) does suggest that Grey's former euphoria (after beating Bradley) which has turned to doom and gloom over the loss of a reserve player for the season is certainly inconsistent. Another appropriate adjective? Maybe "credible?"  One other of Grey's statements I would also question. Augustana lost two of its final three games last year, two of which were on neutral floors and the other was on the road. I would hardly describe that as "finishing strong" as Grey described it.

Regarding Central, IWU beat them in the 1st round of the 2010 D3 tournament by 5 at Wash. U.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

He was talking about finishing the regular season strong... after taking the four losses in a row... and how that finish propelled them into an NCAA at-large berth. A lot of times when coaches on the show talk about finishing the season strong, even when talking about the past, they are talking about the regular season.

[Gregory Sager]

Regarding Central, IWU beat them in the 1st round of the 2010 D3 tournament by 5 at Wash. U.

How is that relevant?

[AndOne]

Final from CA...........in OT

North Central---79   
Pomona-Pitzer--77

The Cardinals remain undefeated by a slim margin in a game they really should have taken much more easily.
Up by as much as 17 in the 1st half, the Cards still led by 11 at the buzzer. In the 2nd half the P-P Sagehens steadily chipped away at the NCC advantage eventually going up by 3 points on 4 separate occasions. A Jayme Moten 3 with 27 seconds left in regulation sent the game into overtime where the Cardinals outscored their hosts 9-7 to take the 2 point victory. The last basket of the game was a Jack Burchett put-back with 1:27 left in the OT period.

As I said, the Cardinals should have taken this game easily but toward the end of the 1st half they took their foot off the gas and let the Sagehens capture the momentum. The men in red also handicapped themselves throughout the evening in two ways. First they played with rocks for hands, fumbling away several passes and, secondly, several of the redbirds did strong Jay Cutler imitations throwing numerous passes to players wearing different colored shirts. Their opponent scored a whopping 27 points off the Cardinal's totally unacceptable 19 TOs. 

The Cards were led in scoring tonight by Jamie Moten and Charlie Rosenberg, both with 22. Moten was 8 of 11 including 6 of 8 from downtown. Rosenberg was 10 of 11 from the field. David Fuller, playing his best game of the year, had 10 points including 2 threes and a perfect 4 of 4 from the line. Kevin Honn and Jack Burchett both scored 9 points.

Tomorrow the Cardinals take the I-10 Freeway 33 miles east for a Saturday night game at University of Redlands.

[WUPHF]

Wheaton lost close at home to Wash U and beat U Chicago handily on the road. What do you make of them?

I only watched moments here and there, but I believe Wheaton held a one possession lead with two minutes to go, but beat Chicago handily over the last two minutes of the game.  Incidentally, I am not sold on Chicago as the No. 17 team in the nation.

[AppletonRocks]

Several questions/observations:

1) When does NCC term end?  A Cali trip right now seems ill timed for many teams,

2) Continue to be amazed at the level of vitriol from pundits here vs. other team coaches--seems a little over the top, but you all may be former coaches yourselves, I don't know,

3) I suggest Wheaton, Carthage and North Park join the Midwest Conference, thus allowing Illinois College and Monmouth to join the CCIW, with Cornell and Grinnell to the IIAC.  Would save a lot of bus gas, unless your schools all have planes.  Thoughts?

[USee]

Wheaton lost close at home to Wash U and beat U Chicago handily on the road. What do you make of them?

I only watched moments here and there, but I believe Wheaton held a one possession lead with two minutes to go, but beat Chicago handily over the last two minutes of the game.  Incidentally, I am not sold on Chicago as the No. 17 team in the nation.

Wheaton led by 3 with 3:59 left and made a 3 with under 3 to play. It was never closer than 6 after that.

[GoPerry]

Wheaton lost close at home to Wash U and beat U Chicago handily on the road. What do you make of them?

I only watched moments here and there, but I believe Wheaton held a one possession lead with two minutes to go, but beat Chicago handily over the last two minutes of the game.  Incidentally, I am not sold on Chicago as the No. 17 team in the nation.

Me neither based on what I saw on Wed.  Brooks, Waller were a handful to cover as was Jordan Smith.  Seemed to be a dropoff from there.  Unless the team overall had an unusually rough night, I don't really see them challenging IWU at Shirk this weekend.  For Wheatons sake, I hope they do well enough through the UAA to get regionally ranked by season's end.

[robertgoulet]

Several questions/observations:

1) When does NCC term end?  A Cali trip right now seems ill timed for many teams,

2) Continue to be amazed at the level of vitriol from pundits here vs. other team coaches--seems a little over the top, but you all may be former coaches yourselves, I don't know,

3) I suggest Wheaton, Carthage and North Park join the Midwest Conference, thus allowing Illinois College and Monmouth to join the CCIW, with Cornell and Grinnell to the IIAC.  Would save a lot of bus gas, unless your schools all have planes.  Thoughts?

#1) NCC's term generally ends the week of Thanksgiving, the students are then off until the week after New Years Day.

[WUPHF]

Wheaton led by 3 with 3:59 left and made a 3 with under 3 to play. It was never closer than 6 after that.

Thanks for the correction.

Me neither based on what I saw on Wed.  Brooks, Waller were a handful to cover as was Jordan Smith.  Seemed to be a dropoff from there.  Unless the team overall had an unusually rough night, I don't really see them challenging IWU at Shirk this weekend.  For Wheatons sake, I hope they do well enough through the UAA to get regionally ranked by season's end.

The emergence of Waller Perez is a great story.  And, I have not seen enough Chicago to judge, but based on what I have seen, I agree with your assessment.  I'll be watching Chicago play at IWU for sure.

[AndOne]

Several questions/observations:

1) When does NCC term end?  A Cali trip right now seems ill timed for many teams,

2) Continue to be amazed at the level of vitriol from pundits here vs. other team coaches--seems a little over the top, but you all may be former coaches yourselves, I don't know,

3) I suggest Wheaton, Carthage and North Park join the Midwest Conference, thus allowing Illinois College and Monmouth to join the CCIW, with Cornell and Grinnell to the IIAC.  Would save a lot of bus gas, unless your schools all have planes.  Thoughts?

Appleton,

1. NCC is on a trimester system. Each trimester is 10 weeks long followed by final exams M-W of the 11th week. The 1st term always ends the Friday before Thanksgiving with finals the 3 days before the holiday. 2nd term begins the first Mon in Jan followed by a 12 day spring break between 2nd and 3rd term. There is a 3 week D term which is the 3 weeks after Thanksgiving with classes both on campus and in places like Greece, France, or Australia. I think about 25% of students take D-Term classes, but with practices and games bball players are naturally excluded. If you don't take a D-Term  class, you have a 6 week vacation. This, then, is a perfect time for road trips for the NCC team. They always go on a long (warm weather) trip, and 1 or 2 "short" trips, usually someplace in the Midwest or Great Lakes areas. In the last 10 years the "long" trips have included 2 trips to Hawaii, 2 to Las Vegas, 3 now to Los Angeles, and to Orlando, Myrtle Beach SC, and Virginia.

2. Most of the "vitriol" you mention has historically been directed at Grey Giovanine of Augustana. Anyone who says the guy can't coach doesn't know a basketball from his butt. However, his on court antics, including the "Stomp," the "Wave Off," and the infamous "Coat Toss," and lately some of his comments about his team and others, have earned him the "vitriol" of which you speak. All fans want to beat other teams for various reasons besides just the win itself. I think most would say that when it comes to Augie basketball, they don't want to beat Augie, the school, as much as they want to beat Grey Giovanine.

3. As far as Wheaton, Carthage, and North Park moving to the Midwest Conference, don't hold your breath. I don't know about WC, and CC, but Professor Sager has previously lectured extensively on NPU's rightful place in the CCIW. Other than relatively close travel proximity,, I don't know why the CCIW would want Illinois College and Monmouth. Cornell and Grinnell aren't moving to the IIAC, especially Cornell who just left that conference for the Midwest in 2012.

* Speaking of planes, did you know that North Central has one?    It's kept in the Hangar at .the bottom of the hill on Brainard Ave. on the NCC campus. 

[Gregory Sager]

2. Most of the "vitriol" you mention has historically been directed at Grey Giovanine of Augustana. Anyone who says the guy can't coach doesn't know a basketball from his butt. However, his on court antics, including the "Stomp," the "Wave Off," and the infamous "Coat Toss," and lately some of his comments about his team and others, have earned him the "vitriol" of which you speak. All fans want to beat other teams for various reasons besides just the win itself. I think most would say that when it comes to Augie basketball, they don't want to beat Augie, the school, as much as they want to beat Grey Giovanine.

That's certainly not true for me. I want NPU to beat Augie because I want NPU to beat Augie, if you know what I mean. Augustana's not only a conference rival, it's had a good men's basketball program for almost the entire 35 years that I've followed CCIW sports (except for a down year here and there in the '80s and '90s under former head coaches Jim Leix and Steve Yount), so beating a perennial CCIW power is my "besides just the win itself" reason for wanting my alma mater to beat Augustana. I suppose that, since Augie's success in this millennium has been because Grey Giovanine is the highly-proficient head coach who runs the program, I do want North Park to beat Augie because of him in a roundabout way, but that's certainly a stretch at best.

I really don't have anything personally against Grey Giovanine. While I find his on-court persona to be obnoxious at times, and I've pointed that out on numerous occasions in the past on CCIW Chat, it's certainly not something that leads me to loathe him, or anything nearly like that. Nor does he stir up enough emotion in me to make me want North Park to beat Augustana because of him. As I said, I want NPU to beat Augie because I want NPU to beat Augie -- it's no different for me in baseball, a sport in which both of the CCIW's schools of Swedish descent are very good, or in football, a sport in which östra vikingar and västra vikingar are both not-so-good, than it is in men's basketball. And, as I said, I think that the whole CCIW Chat focus upon Giovanine's coat-throwing is getting a little redundant and tiresome. As my mom used to say when one of us boys would do something bad that we'd find funny, "Don't encourage him ... or he'll never stop doing it!"

I called out Grey Giovanine yesterday because I think that his comments to the media regarding departed senior center Kevin Schlitter were excessive and questionable and did not square with the box-score evidence. That's all. I would've done the same thing if a coach whom I respect on a personal level and with whom I am on friendly terms, someone like Mike Schauer or Bosko Djurickovic or Matt Nadelhoffer, did the same thing that Grey did.

[Gregory Sager]

Wheaton led by 3 with 3:59 left and made a 3 with under 3 to play. It was never closer than 6 after that.

Thanks for the correction.

Me neither based on what I saw on Wed.  Brooks, Waller were a handful to cover as was Jordan Smith.  Seemed to be a dropoff from there.  Unless the team overall had an unusually rough night, I don't really see them challenging IWU at Shirk this weekend.  For Wheatons sake, I hope they do well enough through the UAA to get regionally ranked by season's end.

The emergence of Waller Perez is a great story.  And, I have not seen enough Chicago to judge, but based on what I have seen, I agree with your assessment.  I'll be watching Chicago play at IWU for sure.

I was pretty sure that Perez was going to become a great player for the Maroons once he got a chance to play. But I also thought that Chicago's chances this season were dealt a very serious blow once Royce Muskeyvalley was lost for the season. I like the Maroons, and I root for them, but I'm a lot more skeptical now about their chances to win the UAA without him.

[AppletonRocks]

Several questions/observations:

1) When does NCC term end?  A Cali trip right now seems ill timed for many teams,

2) Continue to be amazed at the level of vitriol from pundits here vs. other team coaches--seems a little over the top, but you all may be former coaches yourselves, I don't know,

3) I suggest Wheaton, Carthage and North Park join the Midwest Conference, thus allowing Illinois College and Monmouth to join the CCIW, with Cornell and Grinnell to the IIAC.  Would save a lot of bus gas, unless your schools all have planes.  Thoughts?

#1) NCC's term generally ends the week of Thanksgiving, the students are then off until the week after New Years Day.

Thanks, I was wondering how they pulled this off academically.