MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[AppletonRocks]

And it's a lot easier for those of us who don't follow a certain school to dismiss that school's inherent problems than it is to acknowledge them. Wheaton can only admit evangelical Christians with ACTs over 30 (or SATs over 1450), and, since the Wheaton aid package sucks, your mom and dad have to have a ton of scratch in order for you to go there? Big deal, Wheaton fans. Suck it up.

I devoted a portion of my quiet time this morning to sucking it up . . . and I feel a lot better

Wheaton should join the Midwest Conference, where they will be respected rather than abused by those from lesser institutions. 

[USee]

Wheaton can only admit evangelical Christians with ACTs over 30 (or SATs over 1450)

That's not true Greg. Not sure where you got those stats but from Wheaton's own website:

Middle 50% scored between 1220 and 1400 on the Critical Reasoning and Math portions of the SAT, and between 27 and 32 on the ACT

[iwu70]

Many CCIW schools (and other liberal arts institutions) are not as selective, hard to enter as many think.  IWU included.  The new demographic of declining high school graduates is making it very difficult for all these schools, even when less selective, as they all have a high price point, often among other disadvantages and drawbacks.  It's going to be ugly out there for many of them.  Many will be going through a period of consolidation and curricular and faculty contraction.  Athletic programs and departments will naturally be under increased evaluation and scrutiny, as well should be the case, IMHO.

IWU70

[markerickson]

One Carthage freshmen hoopster has a father who played at North Park when Bosko was an assistant coach.  Thus, I don't think it took too much energy to recruit the younger Kruse.

Non-Cheeseheads dominated the freshmen class of Redmen football this year...not sure how that fits in contrast to the hoops team having only two freshmen.

Former NP coach Brenegan recruited effectively from the Catholic League whereas the current coach unfortunately has only one player from a Catholic school.  I'd like to know how Coach Slyder got Colin Lake out of SE Michigan.  Maybe an old contact from the Anderson days?       

[sac]

One Carthage freshmen hoopster has a father who played at North Park when Bosko was an assistant coach.  Thus, I don't think it took too much energy to recruit the younger Kruse.

Non-Cheeseheads dominated the freshmen class of Redmen football this year...not sure how that fits in contrast to the hoops team having only two freshmen.

Former NP coach Brenegan recruited effectively from the Catholic League whereas the current coach unfortunately has only one player from a Catholic school.  I'd like to know how Coach Slyder got Colin Lake out of SE Michigan.  Maybe an old contact from the Anderson days?     

I linked this last spring  http://monroecountybasketball.com/2014/04/17/lake-to-play-at-north-park-university/

"He wants to play right away and this seems to fit," Lake's father, Kevin Lake, said. "They have been following him since last summer during the AAU season."


Ottawa Lake is in the Southeast corner of Michigan, I will gently refer to that area as the sticks.   I imagine Chicago would be appealing for a young man from that area and Michigan has very few urban schools like North Park.   

Edit:  His North Park bio says he's from Temperance which is a pseudo suburb of Toledo and less stickish.  Ottawa Lake HS is several miles to the West and for sure sticksville.

[Titan Q]

Unfortunately, Bob, you and I might just have to continue to disagree on the subject of Mr. Nelson's behavior. By the way, "3 goggles" which you previously gave a long dissertation about, is not one of the motions he makes after a successful three.

http://d3photography.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/MBKB-Illinois-Wesleyan-University-vs-Calvin-College-03-14-14/G0000haWSNLtEAu8/I0000Aq9FdrOiEcY/C0000SRMxHsZRCdE/

[Pat Coleman]

Unfortunately, Bob, you and I might just have to continue to disagree on the subject of Mr. Nelson's behavior. By the way, "3 goggles" which you previously gave a long dissertation about, is not one of the motions he makes after a successful three.

http://d3photography.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/MBKB-Illinois-Wesleyan-University-vs-Calvin-College-03-14-14/G0000haWSNLtEAu8/I0000Aq9FdrOiEcY/C0000SRMxHsZRCdE/

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[gordonmann]

More of a 3 monacle though, right?

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Unfortunately, Bob, you and I might just have to continue to disagree on the subject of Mr. Nelson's behavior. By the way, "3 goggles" which you previously gave a long dissertation about, is not one of the motions he makes after a successful three.

http://d3photography.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/MBKB-Illinois-Wesleyan-University-vs-Calvin-College-03-14-14/G0000haWSNLtEAu8/I0000Aq9FdrOiEcY/C0000SRMxHsZRCdE/

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More of a 3 monacle though, right?

+1

[AppletonRocks]

Unfortunately, Bob, you and I might just have to continue to disagree on the subject of Mr. Nelson's behavior. By the way, "3 goggles" which you previously gave a long dissertation about, is not one of the motions he makes after a successful three.

http://d3photography.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/MBKB-Illinois-Wesleyan-University-vs-Calvin-College-03-14-14/G0000haWSNLtEAu8/I0000Aq9FdrOiEcY/C0000SRMxHsZRCdE/

If one of my players does this, he sits for awhile. End of discussion. 

[AndOne]

Well, it's not a gesture I have seen him make. My mistake was not stating it exactly in that manner. Since he obviously has done the 3 goggles, I guess that means he incorporates at least 3 gestures in his routine.

What is pictured in the tweet is not nearly as obnoxious as what I've personally seen him do at least twice now. Furthermore, with Wesleyan fans excluded of course, I think most other fans would find the other gestures in his repatory to be over the top, and disrespectful to the opponent at a minimum. As I have said previously, the snapping off of several quick salutes in rapid fire order, and his extending his arms and his middle 3 fingers straight out and then shaking them up and down as he runs down court are the marks of someone who likes to call attention to himself and/or say "in your face" to an opponent, and are not in line with the demonstration of good sportsmanship. In fact, they are on par with many of the ridiculously obnoxious gyrations/dances we see pro football players make after a touchdown or sack.

And, if you think its just me, think again. In the last regular season game last year, Wheaton radio analyst Nate Frank kindly referred to Nelson's antics as "histrionics," and opined "we don't need that," and they had no place in the game. These same actions were repeated in the opening game this season. I also recently discussed the subject with a couple of college head coaches who were more blunt, both indicating that if someone would have made such gestures when they played, that either someone would have broken off one of the extended fingers or the offender would have "wound up in the 3rd row of the bleachers."

[Gregory Sager]

I would think that financial aid is at least part of the problem, but the story of 100 freshmen football recruits...well, that story blows my mind.

I should amend that slightly. I was told that last spring over 100 recruits informed the Carthage coaching staff that they'd be there for preseason camp in the summer. CCIW football room poster HoosierRedMan reported in August that 86 freshmen were in preseason camp at Carthage -- which is not 100, but it's still a mind-boggling number. There were 74 freshmen listed on the CC roster this season. That's a large amount even for Carthage, but those who follow CCIW football aren't terribly surprised that Carthage had a humungous freshman class. The Carthage administration has always imposed a large recruiting quota upon the Red Men football program. I've been told in the past by Carthage insiders that the administration expected the football program to have 125 players registered every fall, whether they stayed on the team or not. I don't know if that specific fixed quota is still in place, but the size of that incoming freshman class this fall led me to believe that some sort of fixed number is still required of head coach Mike Yeager.

The problem, Appleton, is that almost every incoming freshman thinks he is going to play. 90% or better of incoming freshmen were the best player on their high school teams, and probably the best kid on any team they played on since they were 5 or 6 years old. Many simply cannot comprehend that they won't play at least meaningful minutes sooner rather than later. These same kids have no idea, or they won't admit it, that they likely have zero chance to play until soph year at the earliest, and realistically, not much more than zero until junior year.

Quite a few Carthage freshmen played for the Red Men this past season, Mark. A quick look at the Carthage roster and at the season stats tells me that roughly half of those 74 frosh played for the Red Men varsity this season, and that some of them played quite a bit. Heck, one of them was named to the All-CCIW team, DB Shawntrel Garner. Another, James Cobbs III, led the Red Men in receiving. Yet another, Tyler Walsh, scored one of Carthage's two touchdowns against NPU. In fact, that's symptomatic of one of Carthage's big problems: good CCIW teams don't play freshmen on the varsity, because they have plenty of upperclassmen who are good enough to get all of the playing time.

Quantity doesn't equal quality, as can be seen by the current state of Carthage football. My impression is that, while Carthage football brings in a huge number of freshmen every year, a lot of them are little more than warm bodies who're filling out the recruiting quota imposed upon the program, and that retention is not very good.

Looking forward to the Augie/Whitewater game Tuesday. Don't know which team to root for.

What do you think would most further the position of your team? when you answer that question you'll likely have the answer to your dilemma. 

Agreed. It seems to me that self-interest makes this dilemma a no-brainer.

Wheaton can only admit evangelical Christians with ACTs over 30 (or SATs over 1450)

That's not true Greg. Not sure where you got those stats but from Wheaton's own website:

Middle 50% scored between 1220 and 1400 on the Critical Reasoning and Math portions of the SAT, and between 27 and 32 on the ACT

I invented the stats out of thin air. I was exaggerating for effect in that "suck it up" paragraph, which I thought was obvious. I guess it wasn't, so that's my bad.

Many CCIW schools (and other liberal arts institutions) are not as selective, hard to enter as many think.  IWU included.

Knock me over with a feather ... our walking IWU admissions brochure has admitted (without prompting, even!) to a chink in his school's mighty green armor!

One Carthage freshmen hoopster has a father who played at North Park when Bosko was an assistant coach.  Thus, I don't think it took too much energy to recruit the younger Kruse.

Dude, I covered that yesterday:

But Mark's question, which is directed at the more immediate sticks-out-like-a-sore-thumb problem of Carthage's two-man freshman class, is really about something else entirely. (And, what's worse, both of Carthage's freshmen are legacies, in a sense; Andrew Telschow is the nephew of former Carthage superstar Gordy Zastrow, and Brad Kruse is the son of North Park legend Freddie Kruse, who played for Bosko when the latter was an assistant coach at NPC under Dan McCarrell in the early '80s. In other words, it's not as though Carthage and/or Bosko was an unknown brand in the Zastrow and Kruse households prior to the recruiting process.)

Former NP coach Brenegan recruited effectively from the Catholic League whereas the current coach unfortunately has only one player from a Catholic school.  I'd like to know how Coach Slyder got Colin Lake out of SE Michigan.  Maybe an old contact from the Anderson days?

Tom Slyder recruits the CCL just as heavily as Paul Brenegan did for NPU. The success rate hasn't borne that out yet, as you noted, but keep in mind that he's only had two full recruiting cycles so far.

I linked this last spring  http://monroecountybasketball.com/2014/04/17/lake-to-play-at-north-park-university/

"He wants to play right away and this seems to fit," Lake's father, Kevin Lake, said. "They have been following him since last summer during the AAU season."

Ottawa Lake is in the Southeast corner of Michigan, I will gently refer to that area as the sticks.   I imagine Chicago would be appealing for a young man from that area and Michigan has very few urban schools like North Park.   

Edit:  His North Park bio says he's from Temperance which is a pseudo suburb of Toledo and less stickish.  Ottawa Lake HS is several miles to the West and for sure sticksville.

Yep. The NPU coaching staff discovered Lake on the AAU circuit. He was also recruited by Albion, Adrian, and Millikin. He didn't play for Ottawa Lake HS, though; he played for Whiteford HS.

[sac]

If the 3-point gestures discussion continues much longer I propose the great van vs motorcoach discussion be revisited.

[sac]

I linked this last spring  http://monroecountybasketball.com/2014/04/17/lake-to-play-at-north-park-university/

"He wants to play right away and this seems to fit," Lake's father, Kevin Lake, said. "They have been following him since last summer during the AAU season."

Ottawa Lake is in the Southeast corner of Michigan, I will gently refer to that area as the sticks.   I imagine Chicago would be appealing for a young man from that area and Michigan has very few urban schools like North Park.   

Edit:  His North Park bio says he's from Temperance which is a pseudo suburb of Toledo and less stickish.  Ottawa Lake HS is several miles to the West and for sure sticksville.

Yep. The NPU coaching staff discovered Lake on the AAU circuit. He was also recruited by Albion, Adrian, and Millikin. He didn't play for Ottawa Lake HS, though; he played for Whiteford HS.

<rubs hands together in great anticipation of this fabulous moment>   

Whiteford HS is properly known as Ottawa Lake-Whiteford Schools and even more properly known as Whiteford Agricultural Schools but no one does that anymore.   It's  located just outside the village of Ottawa Lake.

Whiteford Township, in case you were wondering where the Whiteford comes from.

[Gregory Sager]

I linked this last spring  http://monroecountybasketball.com/2014/04/17/lake-to-play-at-north-park-university/

"He wants to play right away and this seems to fit," Lake's father, Kevin Lake, said. "They have been following him since last summer during the AAU season."

Ottawa Lake is in the Southeast corner of Michigan, I will gently refer to that area as the sticks.   I imagine Chicago would be appealing for a young man from that area and Michigan has very few urban schools like North Park.   

Edit:  His North Park bio says he's from Temperance which is a pseudo suburb of Toledo and less stickish.  Ottawa Lake HS is several miles to the West and for sure sticksville.

Yep. The NPU coaching staff discovered Lake on the AAU circuit. He was also recruited by Albion, Adrian, and Millikin. He didn't play for Ottawa Lake HS, though; he played for Whiteford HS.

<rubs hands together in great anticipation of this fabulous moment>   

Whiteford HS is properly known as Ottawa Lake-Whiteford Schools and even more properly known as Whiteford Agricultural Schools but no one does that anymore.   It's  located just outside the village of Ottawa Lake.

Whiteford Township, in case you were wondering where the Whiteford comes from.

Nicely played, sac.

I think I know now why NPU SID Kevin Shepke didn't put any high school info for Colin Lake on the online roster.