MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Gregory Sager]

Why are those guys with varsity letters playing JV ball?  Strange.

Strange for Augie, given the traditional Augustana policy of using the JV strictly as a feeder team for the varsity, but not strange at all in terms of the bigger picture with regard to how D3 programs operate. Lots and lots of D3 programs have players go back and forth between JV and varsity, including upperclassmen and letter winners, for various reasons.

5) Augustana has some serious talent other than the starters. I think 5'11" freshman guard Joe Ranallo, 6'5" soph. guard Jacob Johnston and soph. 6'7" Michael Hoekstra have a chance to be impact CCIW players.

The up-and-comer for Augie that I think has the really bright future is 6'2 freshman guard Dylan Sortillo.

Rounding out tonight's action:

North Central 87, Carthage 82 from beyond the Cheddar curtain.

Millikin 86, Wheaton 46 at the Griz.  Easily the most head-scratching result of the year millennium so far.

Fixed it for you, kiko.

I have no way of knowing this, but I'm guessing that his wedding night was the greatest night of Matt Nadelhoffer's life ... but that last night was probably a pretty respectable second place in that particular category.

[iwu70]

Greg, are there any rules and regulations in CCIW on which players can be used in JV games?  Seems very strange that guys with varsity letters would be playing major JV minutes, and even stranger that a guy who played 25 minutes in a JV game would play a major role in the varsity contest just following?  Oh well . . . learn something every day.  Don't think IWU JV program has ever handled it that way. 

Congrats to Coach Rose on a great game plan vs. the Doggies and on the players for executing it so superbly.  Now another good showdown with EC and Titan John Baines.  Guess his Mom, a long-time IWU staff member, will be cheering for EC! 

It's a 4 p.m. start, a Saturday afternoon game, after the 2 p.m. IWU@EC women's contest.  Sure will make me get up early in Hong Kong to watch both.  4 a.m. may test my loyalty, but surely I can make my tea and bagel  -- or my congee -- and be up in time at 6 a.m. for the men's game.

GO TITANS! 

IWU'70

[Pat Coleman]

I don't know about any conference-specific rules, but the NCAA considers a contest to be a contest. So a kid can only play in 25 regular season contests, whether they're JV, varsity or some combination.

[Gregory Sager]

Greg, are there any rules and regulations in CCIW on which players can be used in JV games?

No. The only pertinent rule regarding junior varsity competition vis-a-vis the larger program is the NCAA's rule that a junior varsity appearance counts towards the 25 regular-season appearances allowed for each player (i.e., Augustana's Griffin Pils used up two of his 25 allotted appearances last night, as did a number of NPU and EC players).

Seems very strange that guys with varsity letters would be playing major JV minutes, and even stranger that a guy who played 25 minutes in a JV game would play a major role in the varsity contest just following?  Oh well . . . learn something every day.

It's only strange to you because you focus all of your attention upon your alma mater's team -- nothing wrong with that at all, of course -- and IWU, like Augie, has always used the JV team specifically as a feeder level for the varsity. But, as I said, other schools use their JV teams for other reasons besides underclassman player development. I discussed this very topic tonight over in the NWC room, if you're really interested in delving into the whys and wherefores of JV usage within a D3 basketball program.

[Gregory Sager]

... and, as usual, the Guru beats me by 38 seconds.

[Pat Coleman]

... and, as usual, the Guru beats me by 38 seconds.

Sorry!

[AndOne]

While not governed by any specific NCAA rules on the subject, schools do sometimes do follow certain policies with regard to the use of players in JV games. For instance, some schools refuse to use seniors in JV games. This is true even in cases where a specific player won't come close to the 25 game limit. This, no doubt, falls under the philosophy of using the JV program for developmental purposes.

[AndOne]

Shooting a blistering 75% in the 2nd half, (64.2% for the game) the North Central Cardinals emerged from behind the Cheddar Curtain last night with an 87-82 victory over Carthage. The Cardinals had four players score in double figures, and got 31 points from its bench in a game in which they never trailed.
Staving off a determined effort by the hosts, including a brilliant 28 point, 10 assist performance from Carthage PG Donte Logan, NCC was led in scoring by Jayme Moten with 20 points. Moten's 20 were the result of a perfect 7 of 7 from the field, including 5 of 5 from beyond the arc. He was closely followed by Charlie Rosenberg who scored 19 despite his not being 100%. Jack Burchett and Kevin Honn not only each scored 16 points, but both registered a double-double with 11 and 10 rebounds respectively. Big Jack Burchett also dished out a team high 5 assists to top off his evening. Evan Fendley and Brandon White both contributed 6 points off the bench.

In his post game comments Carthage Coach Bosko Djurickovic intoned "This is a difficult game to explain. I just watched it, and I still don't know if I can explain it." He added, "We have to do a better job. They shot 65 percent against all kinds of defense tonight. This was disappointing-I expected to win this game."

* In a move that Professor Sager would highly approve of, the Carthage radio play-by-play man approached me prior to the game to confirm the pronunciation of 4 or 5 of the Cardinals last names.

[iwu70]

Thanks Greg, I'll look at your comments on the other Board.

IWU'70

[Gregory Sager]

While not governed by any specific NCAA rules on the subject, schools do sometimes do follow certain policies with regard to the use of players in JV games. For instance, some schools refuse to use seniors in JV games. This is true even in cases where a specific player won't come close to the 25 game limit. This, no doubt, falls under the philosophy of using the JV program for developmental purposes.

I've never heard of a school making such a policy, but I'm not terribly surprised that there's a school or schools that do. D3 institutions are like snowflakes ... no two are alike.

* In a move that Professor Sager would highly approve of, the Carthage radio play-by-play man approached me prior to the game to confirm the pronunciation of 4 or 5 of the Cardinals last names.

John Weiser's a pro. He does his job the right way.

[veterancciwfan]

I've witnessed to spectacular games at Carver this year, the December 10 Whitewater game and the recent IWU game. Out of curiosity, here are some stats for each game with the warning that the Whitewater game was 50 minutes and the IWU game was a standard 40. I wanted to try to form an opinion as to which team played the best.

                                     FG% 3-pt.% FT%  TOs 
Augie Dec. game                   49.2 (50 min.)         52.2 (50 min.)          75.9                      16 (50 min.)
Whitewater Dec. game          50.7 (50 min.)        40.9 (50 min.)          60.0                       16 (50 min.)
Augie on Jan. 21                    50.0 (40 min.)        50.0 (40 min.)          65.4                         7 (40 min.)
IWU on Jan. 21                      58.3 (40 min.)        61.5 (40 min.)          78.1                         9 (40 min.)

Augie scored 75 in 1st 40 min. of Dec. game and finished with 96 in 50 min. Whitewater was 75 and 94. Augie scored 84 in the Jan. game. IWU scored 89. You can draw your own conclusions. Augie's stats for both games are similar and excellent.

[veterancciwfan]

Meant to say two. The 4 columns left to right are FG%, 3-pt. %, FT% and Turnovers.

[iwu70]

Wash U, both men and women, go down in NYC.

'70

[Titan Q]

Illinois Wesleyan (13-4, 5-1) @ #22-Elmhurst (14-3, 4-2), 4:00pm...

(conference only stats)

Illinois Wesleyan (13-4, 5-1)
G - Dylan Overstreet, 6-3/180 Sr. (11.7 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 4.2 apg)
G - Jordan Nelson, 6-1/170 Sr. (16.8 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 1.3 apg, .525 3-point)
G - Pat Sodemann, 6-3/195 Sr. (9.3 ppg, 3.0 rpg. .556 3-point)
F - Ryan Coyle, 6-6/208 Jr. (7.8 ppg, 4.8 rpg)
C - Trevor Seibring, 6-8/235 So. (7.2 ppg, 3.7 rpg)

C - Mike Marietti, 6-8/245 Jr. (10.0 ppg, 4.0 rpg, .828 FG)
G - Bryce Dolan, 6-0/165 Jr. (6.8 ppg, 2.8 apg, .524 3 point)
G - Joel Pennington, 6-0/175 Jr. (4.2 ppg)
F - Alec Bausch, 6-6/210 So. (3.3 ppg, 2.5 rpg)
G - Brady Rose, 6-2/170 Fr. (2.2 ppg)

#22-Elmhurst (14-3, 4-2)
G - Pat Coleman, 6-2/190 Jr. (4.0 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 1.2 apg)
G - Kyle Wuest, 6-1/185 Jr. (20.0 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 1.7 apg)
G - Bryan Ackerman, 6-2/195 Jr. (9.8 ppg, 4.7 apg)
F - Brandon Schwebke, 6-4/210 Jr. (5.2 ppg, 4.0 apg)
F - Will Nixon, 6-7/210 Jr. (10.2 ppg, 7.5 rpg)

F - Erik Crittenden, 6-7/215 Jr. (10.8 ppg, 6.5 rpg)
G - Peyton Wyatt, 5-11/185 Jr. (4.2 ppg, .556 3-point)
G - Nathan Rogers, 6-1/185 So. (2.8 ppg)
F - Kenny Payonk, 6-6/235 Jr. (1.5 ppg, 3.7 rpg)
G - Eric Leonard, 6-0/180 Jr. (1.4 ppg)


Pantagraph - http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/college/basketball/men/elmhurst-defense-to-test-iwu-offense/article_6df90efa-8d78-5788-8cc8-72b2aa89146a.html

Live video - http://www.bluejaytv.com

Live Stats - http://www.sidearmstats.com/elmhurst/mbball/

WJBC Radio - http://portal.stretchinternet.com/wjbc/

[Pat Coleman]

Did a double-take at that last post.