MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

kiko · October 12, 2015, 09:08:30 PM

Quote from: NCC on October 12, 2015, 03:04:18 PM
You guys crack me up with the IWU "Hoarding Guards" talk...

The way i look at it, Rose/Stempel would not start or have much, if any, playing time at NCC (And some other CCIW teams)... So if they are the starters, IWU is most certainly not hoarding guards. JV Guards? Maybe. But why are we concerned about that? Haha.
NCC has three first year players that are all superior to the IWU guard players (You may not beleive me, but it is true). Add on Moten and the other helpers from last year... NCC is the one hoarding guards! Damn you Todd Raridon

Mostly over the years they have hoarded Raridons. Which I am massively okay with...

Mr. Ypsi · October 12, 2015, 09:23:27 PM

Quote from: izzy stradlin on October 12, 2015, 08:14:13 PM
I though Brady Rose should've played more and that he was kept on the bench unfairly because his dad is the coach. Common Ron Rose.

Not sure if this was meant to be sarcastic or real, but I agree that Brady probably got LESS playing time than he really deserved because Ron Rose was 'bending over backwards' to be fair (which makes the ax-grinding of iiwwuu even more obnoxious). I coached youth soccer for a number of years (obviously less emphasis on winning than college athletics of whatever sport), and can really identify with the difficulty of coaching one's own sons. Fortunately both of them were close to the best on the team so no one complained (to me, at least) about their playing time (which might well have been even more than it was if someone else was coaching). I also saw this with some refs - in other towns, they were sometimes real homers, but our Ypsi refs probably cost us a game or two by bending over backwards to be 'fair'. Any time there is a situation with a possible 'conflict of interest', it's a tough spot to be in.

Titan Q · October 12, 2015, 09:58:13 PM

Another ranking with Augustana #1...

http://www.smallcollegehoops.com/Home_files/D3NOct15FactSheet.pdf

Greek Tragedy · October 13, 2015, 10:52:06 AM

Quote from: Titan Q on October 12, 2015, 09:58:13 PM
Another ranking with Augustana #1...

http://www.smallcollegehoops.com/Home_files/D3NOct15FactSheet.pdf

I'm sure we'll see a lot of those! Point #6??? Wow.

Titan Q · October 13, 2015, 10:24:09 PM

Video of IWU's 1997 national title game win over Nebraska Wesleyan...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEFsqxfah-Y&feature=youtu.be

Gregory Sager · October 14, 2015, 04:04:10 PM

Quote from: Greek Tragedy on October 13, 2015, 10:52:06 AM
Quote from: Titan Q on October 12, 2015, 09:58:13 PM
Another ranking with Augustana #1...

http://www.smallcollegehoops.com/Home_files/D3NOct15FactSheet.pdf

I'm sure we'll see a lot of those! Point #6??? Wow.

Aw, c'mon. The Pointers are only picked a mere ninth, not sixth.

I'm much more impressed by DIII News's obviously spot-on prediction that perennial national juggernaut Lancaster Bible is among the "others to watch" in 2015-16.

Any more preseason predictions from sports media's cut-and-paste brigade?

Gregory Sager · October 14, 2015, 04:12:24 PM

Quote from: iiwwuu on October 11, 2015, 04:55:57 PM1) IWU's roster is far larger than the rest of the CCIW and in some case by a large margin

Baloney.

I can't vouch for anybody else's rosters (aside from Elmhurst, which lists 24 players on the already-posted Bluejays roster), but I can tell you that North Park has so many players in the program right now that the Vikings have been forced to shorten games in open gym so that everybody's able to get floor time. It's a good thing that NPU only prints a limited number of men's basketball media guides nowadays, because this year's is going to be the size of the Chicago phone book.

(They still make phone books, right?)

sac · October 14, 2015, 04:13:55 PM

Well.....Lancaster Bible did go 28-3 last year and won the NCCAA D2 championship $:-\$

WUPHF · October 14, 2015, 04:48:27 PM

Quote from: sac on October 14, 2015, 04:13:55 PM
Well.....Lancaster Bible did go 28-3 last year and won the NCCAA D2 championship $:-\$

Are they transitioning to Division III? Why am I asking? I don't know.

Gregory Sager · October 14, 2015, 05:05:38 PM

Quote from: sac on October 14, 2015, 04:13:55 PM
Well.....Lancaster Bible did go 28-3 last year and won the NCCAA D2 championship $:-\$

Yep. And the Chargers beat a grand total of four teams that had winning records last season: Cobleskill State (with whom they split), Gallaudet (ditto), Keuka, and Valley Forge. Lancaster Bible also recorded the most dubious victory of 2014-15 in all of D3, as the Chargers had a three-point win at home over a Cairn team that has recorded a grand total of six wins in three years.

DIII News lets me down with its preseason picks every year, because there's always something goofy like this (and the way-too-high estimation of UWSP) that makes it clear that there was an insufficient amount of homework done on it. The fans on the MIAA board are scratching their heads over the pick of Hope senior Brock Benson as one of the three top players in the Great Lakes Region, as he might not even be the standout player for the Dutch right now. It's one thing when you've got a situation like that of the Sporting News, in which that magazine expects Chuck Mistovich to cover something like 900 different teams between D2, D3, and NAIA; naturally, his familiarity with our division is going to be pretty limited. But the name should tell you everything you need to know about DIII News -- it covers our division, and only our division. Then you see UWSP, which was gutted by graduation, listed at #9, and that tap-dancing lollipop known as Lancaster Bible listed among the "others to watch" (and what in the wide, wide world of sports is likewise-graduation-gutted Wash U doing being listed in that group as well, while Chicago, NYU, and Emory aren't?). It's disappointing.

I mean, it's great that this site does such a fantastic job of putting together a painstakingly researched preseason poll and All-American list, as well as the conference guidebook. I'm not ungrateful. It'd just be nice if somebody other than Pat's crew was able to do this sort of thing every fall with some credibility.

Quote from: WUH on October 14, 2015, 04:48:27 PM
Quote from: sac on October 14, 2015, 04:13:55 PM
Well.....Lancaster Bible did go 28-3 last year and won the NCCAA D2 championship $:-\$

Are they transitioning to Division III? Why am I asking? I don't know.

No, Lancaster Bible's been a full D3 member for awhile now. The Chargers, who play in the all-D3 North Eastern Athletic Conference, opted to participate in the NCCAA postseason tourney last March following their loss in the NEAC title game to Cobleskill State, which decided the NEAC's autobid to the D3 tourney. The NCCAA allows NCAA and NAIA schools that are also NCCAA members to participate in the NCCAA tourney alongside the NCCAA-only members, which is a nice backup plan (I won't be unkind and call it a consolation prize) if you don't get an NCAA or NAIA postseason bid.

iwu70 · October 14, 2015, 07:04:50 PM

Let the games -- practices -- begin.

IWU70

Mr. Ypsi · October 14, 2015, 07:59:51 PM

Any CCIW teams doing a 'midnight madness' practice starting at 12:01?

AO · October 14, 2015, 08:28:11 PM

Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 14, 2015, 05:05:38 PM
No, Lancaster Bible's been a full D3 member for awhile now. The Chargers, who play in the all-D3 North Eastern Athletic Conference, opted to participate in the NCCAA postseason tourney last March following their loss in the NEAC title game to Cobleskill State, which decided the NEAC's autobid to the D3 tourney. The NCCAA allows NCAA and NAIA schools that are also NCCAA members to participate in the NCCAA tourney alongside the NCCAA-only members, which is a nice backup plan (I won't be unkind and call it a consolation prize) if you don't get an NCAA or NAIA postseason bid.

It wasn't a consolation tourney for me when I played, but that's because we weren't eligible for the NCAA tourney yet and we were playing in the NCCAA D-1 tourney against NAIA and D2 schools. The NCCAA D2 tourney doesn't have many great teams, but at least Lancaster won!

WUPHF · October 15, 2015, 10:46:58 AM

Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 14, 2015, 05:05:38 PM
No, Lancaster Bible's been a full D3 member for awhile now. The Chargers, who play in the all-D3 North Eastern Athletic Conference, opted to participate in the NCCAA postseason tourney last March following their loss in the NEAC title game to Cobleskill State, which decided the NEAC's autobid to the D3 tourney. The NCCAA allows NCAA and NAIA schools that are also NCCAA members to participate in the NCCAA tourney alongside the NCCAA-only members, which is a nice backup plan (I won't be unkind and call it a consolation prize) if you don't get an NCAA or NAIA postseason bid.

+1 Thanks as always for answering.

hopefan · October 15, 2015, 11:03:09 AM

Quote from: WUH on October 15, 2015, 10:46:58 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 14, 2015, 05:05:38 PM
No, Lancaster Bible's been a full D3 member for awhile now. The Chargers, who play in the all-D3 North Eastern Athletic Conference, opted to participate in the NCCAA postseason tourney last March following their loss in the NEAC title game to Cobleskill State, which decided the NEAC's autobid to the D3 tourney. The NCCAA allows NCAA and NAIA schools that are also NCCAA members to participate in the NCCAA tourney alongside the NCCAA-only members, which is a nice backup plan (I won't be unkind and call it a consolation prize) if you don't get an NCAA or NAIA postseason bid.

+1 Thanks as always for answering.

WUH... Greenville of the SLIAC has gone to the NCCAA tournament a couple times in the last 10 years... also note that Iowa Wesleyan of the SLIAC, as a NCAA D3 Provisional last year, and playing a full 18 game SLIAC schedule, went to the USCAA National Tourney last year....