MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Titan Q]

[Well, Stu or someone must have read the posts because the description is now "Redshirt Sophomore"   

Nothing changed.  The mobile version says "redshirt sophomore" and the web version says "R-So."

Again, I am guessing they will change to "Jr."

[AppletonRocks]

Oshkosh women's volleyball over nationally ranked Elmhurst 3-1. 

[badgerwarhawk]

Oshkosh women's volleyball over nationally ranked Elmhurst 3-1. 

Wrong gender, wrong sport but otherwise relevant to something somewhere. 

PS: 1. There is a volleyball forum.
      2. Oshkosh is also nationally ranked. 

[iwumichigander]

[Well, Stu or someone must have read the posts because the description is now "Redshirt Sophomore"   

Nothing changed.  The mobile version says "redshirt sophomore" and the web version says "R-So."

Again, I am guessing they will change to "Jr."

Thanks!  I checked the mobile version (and, one would think the data could be kept in sync between the two).  I vote for changing back to junior.  The whole red shirt thing at any level is confusing and the class year standing, particularly at DIII, the most important with respect to why these kids are in college in the first place.

[iwumichigander]

Gordon Mann has a piece on DIII Hoops with the ranking the conferences since 2007.   He has the CCIW as #1.  I would give you the link but not good at that on a mobile device.  It is a good read.

[gordonmann]

Thanks. Here's the link:

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2016/11/2016-conference-ranking-part-1

[Gregory Sager]

Gordon Mann has a piece on DIII Hoops with the ranking the conferences since 2007.   He has the CCIW as #1.  I would give you the link but not good at that on a mobile device.  It is a good read.

Yep. Seconded. Nice job, Gordo!

[all blues]

Millikin's roster is posted.  With one subtraction, and a couple additions.  Tyler Bond, a 6'2" SG is not on the list.  However, some much needed frontline depth has materialized, in Levi Bailey 6'6" Sandburg JC transfer, and Brett Harris 6'5" F from a good 1A Woodlawn HS program.  As the fortune cookie said, "You will live in interesting times" sounds like Decatur this season

[AndOne]

Millikin's roster at 25, with 14 "true" freashmen.
Lots of learnin' going on down there in Decatur.

[izzy stradlin]

Wheaton roster updated.  Numbers continue to go down. 15 players.  No Dillard.  No Trae Masten. 

[AndOne]

Wheaton roster updated.  Numbers continue to go down. 15 players.  No Dillard.  No Trae Masten.

Another missing crusader from last year is Troy Morrison who started six games at PG, and was 2nd on the team in assists with 64.

Dillard, who I was parsonally high on was the 4th high scorer at 8.3 ppg.
Masten was 6th in scoring at 5.2 ppg.

I am not going to page back to find it but, sometime during the late spring or early summer, i'm pretty sure one poster, when speculating on this coming season's lineups, made reference that inferred somewhat of a clash of personalities between Dillard and Schauer.

I am not at all surprised at Morrison's absence. After a four year high school career, he spent a year at a prep school. Very often, two of the major reasons kds go to prep school are either to get their grades up so they qualify academically, or in hopes of obtaining an athletic scholarship to a major or mid-major D1. It was not just any prep school however. It was Phillips Exeter Academy in New Hampshire. This is one of the country's leading basketball factories that regularly produces players for places like Duke, Kentucky, Louisville, and Kansas. Kids who go to Phillips Exeter are generally either too good for D3, or at least think they are, and don't go there to end up at Wheaton or any other D3 for that matter. It makes sense that WC was just a stepping stone for Morrison.

[AndOne]

So, he's listed as a redshirt sophomore, but is he *really* a redshirt sophomore? Because I don't trust the IWU website to properly list the status of the IWU coach's son.

This is my translation, Q.

Yes, that is my struggle here.  I have absolutely no idea what else "R-So." in the "YR." column would stand for on a roster.

Well, Stu or someone must have read the posts because the description is now "Redshirt Sophomore"

... which doesn't make one bit of difference, really, because that's simply the previous abbreviation spelled out. It still doesn't address the point that Joe made earlier that the word "redshirt" is a misnomer in D3.

So, we will likely spend a great part of this season beating this to pulp!

Only if IWU hoards redshirt sophomores.

[Well, Stu or someone must have read the posts because the description is now "Redshirt Sophomore"   

Nothing changed.  The mobile version says "redshirt sophomore" and the web version says "R-So."

Again, I am guessing they will change to "Jr."

Thanks!  I checked the mobile version (and, one would think the data could be kept in sync between the two).  I vote for changing back to junior.  The whole red shirt thing at any level is confusing and the class year standing, particularly at DIII, the most important with respect to why these kids are in college in the first place.

This whole situation/question can be avoided by simply listing a player according to his year of athletic eligibility.
North Central had a similar situation in 2014-15 with Evan Fendley. Although he was a senior academically (and graduated in June, 2015), Evan was only a sophomore as far as his athletic eligibility, and was listed as such.
It's either freshman, soph., junior, or senior. None of this redshirt BS, which joehakes properly pointed out is not a term which actually exists in D3.

[izzy stradlin]

Wheaton roster updated.  Numbers continue to go down. 15 players.  No Dillard.  No Trae Masten.

Another missing crusader from last year is Troy Morrison who started six games at PG, and was 2nd on the team in assists with 64.

Dillard, who I was parsonally high on was the 4th high scorer at 8.3 ppg.
Masten was 6th in scoring at 5.2 ppg.

I am not going to page back to find it but, sometime during the late spring or early summer, i'm pretty sure one poster, when speculating on this coming season's lineups, made reference that inferred somewhat of a clash of personalities between Dillard and Schauer.

I am not at all surprised at Morrison's absence. After a four year high school career, he spent a year at a prep school. Very often, two of the major reasons kds go to prep school are either to get their grades up so they qualify academically, or in hopes of obtaining an athletic scholarship to a major or mid-major D1. It was not just any prep school however. It was Phillips Exeter Academy in New Hampshire. This is one of the country's leading basketball factories that regularly produces players for places like Duke, Kentucky, Louisville, and Kansas. Kids who go to Phillips Exeter are generally either too good for D3, or at least think they are, and don't go there to end up at Wheaton or any other D3 for that matter. It makes sense that WC was just a stepping stone for Morrison.

Yikes.  Didn't even notice Morrison was missing. It's not going to be pretty at King Arena this year. 

[all blues]

Millikin's roster at 25, with 14 "true" freashmen.
Lots of learnin' going on down there in Decatur.

well I sure hope seplling is part of the freashman currix...currac...uh, list of things to study 

[AndOne]

Based primarily on the skills of Samuelson and Dillard, and largely on those of Masten, and Morrison (if he had returned) I had thought Wheaton had a good chance to rise from the basement, where they finished last year, and finish as high as 6th in this year's new 9 team conference. While they might somehow still do so, I sense that rather than likely being able to separate themselves from Carthage, Elmhurst, and Millikin, they will now be battling with these teams to avoid the basement position.

I see a definite separation between the above mentioned teams and NCC, IWU, Carroll, NPU, and Augie.