MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Gregory Sager]

Do you guys think the NCAA/CCIW would accept a letter from Andone in lieu of an actual M.D. if Raridon wants a hardship year?

My letter is already in route to NCAA headquarters with a duplicate to the CCIW office.
I also attached a copy of the certificate from the American University of the Caribbean
School of Medicine attesting to the fact that my medical "degree" is valid in all 50 states,
the District of Columbia, and all U.S. territories. 💼 💉 😉

Is that a satellite campus of the Augie Medical School? 🤔😉

[voxelmhurst]

Record notwithstanding, I like what John Baines is doing with this Elmhurst team by starting his freshmen players and letting them have a go at it.

I'm not sure that that's by design. My take is that Baines really wanted his ex-JVers (Mowry, Parrilli, Plunk, Harlan, Rogers, etc.) to step up and take charge this year after having understudied that huge and successful class of '16, but that they have failed to do so. Six of the nine double-digit scoring efforts registered by Bluejays over the past four games have been freshman.

Perhaps not, but I still like it. I don't know what expectations could really be placed upon theupperclassmen, as they are also largely inexperienced at the varsity level, as you mention. To me, it almost makes more sense to put the freshman out there right now since they're the ones that are gonna be around for a while.

[Gregory Sager]

There is logic to that, but it's also a logic that more or less condemns the program to a losing season. What I think Baines intended (and I have secondhand evidence that this is, in fact, an accurate analysis) was for the ex-JVers to fulfill a bridge function for a season, keeping the 'jays competent in 2016-17 while the class of '00 prepared to take over the team as sophomores in 2017-18. Obviously, that hasn't worked out as planned. But I don't think that any coach wants to fill his rotation with freshmen unless it's by absolute necessity. A freshman or two in the rotation, with all of their attendant growing pains as collegiate ballplayers, is one thing. But a team that is heavily dominated by them is another matter entirely. It's almost always a recipe for losing. But, since the ex-JVers weren't producing, it isn't as though the 'jays were going to successfully bridge from the class of '16 to the class of '20 this season, anyway.

[AppletonRocks]

Who will Carroll wallop this week? 

[Gregory Sager]

New poll is out. Augustana is #16, North Park is #23, and nobody else is receiving votes.

[Mr. Ypsi]

New poll is out. Augustana is #16, North Park is #23, and nobody else is receiving votes.

Yeah, not a good week for CCIW pride!  Augie rose slightly (20 to 16), NPU dropped drastically (9 to 23), IWU collapsed from just outside the poll (27) to zero points, and Carthage also lost their one point.

Internecine carnage in the CCIW!

[iwu70]

Ypsi, as we all expected.  Any game, esp. road games, in the CCIW is tough.  Many teams will have to win the AQ to get into the Dance, otherwise, likely only one team in from the CCIW this year.  Could be the same on the women's side.  Augie sure in the best position now, NPU still strong but often inconsistent, and IWU not really knowing how to finish off close games.  Seibring surely not 100%.  Not enough depth in the bigs.  Burdine surely not the answer, so Rose left to play Bausch and Beasley and that is not enough against a lot of CCIW competition. 

IWU'70

[Gregory Sager]

Many teams will have to win the AQ to get into the Dance, otherwise, likely only one team in from the CCIW this year.

That's just not true, Mark. Right now there are two CCIW teams that are well situated for Pool C consideration. Granted, one isn't playing well at the moment, and there's an entire round-robin left for the league to knock either or both of those two teams down to the Land of Bubble, or worse, but your statement contradicts the current numbers.

These posts from the Pool C room add some perspective:

IN THE CENTRAL REGION...

Halfway through the double round-robin and the CCIW is killing themselves. Could they just be a two-bid league???

Augustana   7-1   14-3
North Park   6-2   13-4
Carroll   5-3   10-7
Carthage   4-4   11-6
Illinois Wesleyan   4-4   12-5


8 more games to play in the WIAC double round-robin as well.

UW-River Falls   6-0   16-1
UW-Oshkosh   3-3   10-7
UW-Eau Claire   3-3   13-4
UW-Stout   3-3   12-5
UW-Whitewater   3-3   14-3

I don't think either team's SOS is gonna get the MWC a Pool C bid.

St. Norbert   9-1   12-3
Ripon   8-2   12-3

The NACC and the SLIAC are 1-bid leagues, unless Benedictine loses in the conference tourney.

I was actually looking at the CCIW earlier today and thinking the same thing.  IF IWU duplicates their second half round-robin the same as the first they'll be out of range for a Pool C bid.  They likely have to go 6-2 with their 8th loss coming in the CCIW tournament.  No guarantee of that.

But I can also see a weird scenario where 4 teams starts to look like a possibility.

2011 was the last time the CCIW didn't get 3 in the tournament.

[4samuy]

Do you guys think the NCAA/CCIW would accept a letter from Andone in lieu of an actual M.D. if Raridon wants a hardship year?

My letter is already in route to NCAA headquarters with a duplicate to the CCIW office.
I also attached a copy of the certificate from the American University of the Caribbean
School of Medicine attesting to the fact that my medical "degree" is valid in all 50 states,
the District of Columbia, and all U.S. territories. 💼 💉 😉

Is that a satellite campus of the Augie Medical School? 🤔😉

Yes, it's the campus where Luke Scarlata is now Chief of Surgery after attending the Augie Medical School, of which Scarlata became aware during Stomper Giovanine's recruiting pitch. 😏 🤒 😎

Wow!  I think your Luke Scarlatta reference trumps my Marc Horner reference. Nicely done Andone.

[Gregory Sager]

Nah, 4samuy, you win the prize based upon age of reference. Can you believe it'll be a quarter-century this coming May since Horner graduated?

Besides, we have to give Pete credit for the Scarlata reference, since he alluded to it first with that "Augie Medical School" remark.

[4samuy]

Nah, 4samuy, you win the prize based upon age of reference. Can you believe it'll be a quarter-century this coming May since Horner graduated?

Besides, we have to give Pete credit for the Scarlata reference, since he alluded to it first with that "Augie Medical School" remark.

Understand, but Luke Scarlatta not good (hilarious reference) Horner reallly good.

[4samuy]

Ypsi, as we all expected.  Any game, esp. road games, in the CCIW is tough.  Many teams will have to win the AQ to get into the Dance, otherwise, likely only one team in from the CCIW this year.  Could be the same on the women's side.  Augie sure in the best position now, NPU still strong but often inconsistent, and IWU not really knowing how to finish off close games.  Seibring surely not 100%.  Not enough depth in the bigs.  Burdine surely not the answer, so Rose left to play Bausch and Beasley and that is not enough against a lot of CCIW competition. 

IWU'70

Whoa, Whoa, Whoa! Yes IWU missed Seibring and he still may not be 100% and not knowing if he will be. (Please let me know) but this team went into St Louis and took it to WashU who is a top ten team.  At full strength, IMHO IWU is a handful.  I don't think one bid from CCIW is close to realistic IMO

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Ypsi, as we all expected.  Any game, esp. road games, in the CCIW is tough.  Many teams will have to win the AQ to get into the Dance, otherwise, likely only one team in from the CCIW this year.  Could be the same on the women's side.  Augie sure in the best position now, NPU still strong but often inconsistent, and IWU not really knowing how to finish off close games.  Seibring surely not 100%.  Not enough depth in the bigs.  Burdine surely not the answer, so Rose left to play Bausch and Beasley and that is not enough against a lot of CCIW competition. 

IWU'70

Whoa, Whoa, Whoa! Yes IWU missed Seibring and he still may not be 100% and not knowing if he will be. (Please let me know) but this team went into St Louis and took it to WashU who is a top ten team.  At full strength, IMHO IWU is a handful.  I don't think one bid from CCIW is close to realistic IMO

If the conference keeps beating itself up and taking losses each week to the teams we all expect to be at the top... there is a distinct possibility there is only one bid from the CCIW. WIAC only had one bid last year; so did the ODAC. It happens from time to time when the conferences eat themselves in conference play. That IWU win over WashU will mean nothing if they take too many more losses (in general speak; not an actual prediction).

[Gregory Sager]

Ypsi, as we all expected.  Any game, esp. road games, in the CCIW is tough.  Many teams will have to win the AQ to get into the Dance, otherwise, likely only one team in from the CCIW this year.  Could be the same on the women's side.  Augie sure in the best position now, NPU still strong but often inconsistent, and IWU not really knowing how to finish off close games.  Seibring surely not 100%.  Not enough depth in the bigs.  Burdine surely not the answer, so Rose left to play Bausch and Beasley and that is not enough against a lot of CCIW competition. 

IWU'70

Whoa, Whoa, Whoa! Yes IWU missed Seibring and he still may not be 100% and not knowing if he will be. (Please let me know) but this team went into St Louis and took it to WashU who is a top ten team.  At full strength, IMHO IWU is a handful.  I don't think one bid from CCIW is close to realistic IMO

If the conference keeps beating itself up and taking losses each week to the teams we all expect to be at the top... there is a distinct possibility there is only one bid from the CCIW. WIAC only had one bid last year; so did the ODAC. It happens from time to time when the conferences eat themselves in conference play. That IWU win over WashU will mean nothing if they take too many more losses (in general speak; not an actual prediction).

True. But there's an enormous leap to go from "distinct possibility" to "likely".

[4samuy]

Ypsi, as we all expected.  Any game, esp. road games, in the CCIW is tough.  Many teams will have to win the AQ to get into the Dance, otherwise, likely only one team in from the CCIW this year.  Could be the same on the women's side.  Augie sure in the best position now, NPU still strong but often inconsistent, and IWU not really knowing how to finish off close games.  Seibring surely not 100%.  Not enough depth in the bigs.  Burdine surely not the answer, so Rose left to play Bausch and Beasley and that is not enough against a lot of CCIW competition. 

IWU'70

Whoa, Whoa, Whoa! Yes IWU missed Seibring and he still may not be 100% and not knowing if he will be. (Please let me know) but this team went into St Louis and took it to WashU who is a top ten team.  At full strength, IMHO IWU is a handful.  I don't think one bid from CCIW is close to realistic IMO

If the conference keeps beating itself up and taking losses each week to the teams we all expect to be at the top... there is a distinct possibility there is only one bid from the CCIW. WIAC only had one bid last year; so did the ODAC. It happens from time to time when the conferences eat themselves in conference play. That IWU win over WashU will mean nothing if they take too many more losses (in general speak; not an actual prediction).

True. But there's an enormous leap to go from "distinct possibility" to "likely".

Dave,

You bring up some great points as it relates to "teams that were expected to be at the top".  Augustana is a great example of a team, from a national point of view that was not expected to be at the top, because they lost an outstanding senior class, but they have developed into a really good team who leads the CCIW despite the loss of their outstanding senior class. I guess my point is that just because teams that are expected to be at the top and are not there at this point doesn't mean they are not quality teams.  I can't help but go back to Amherst who was "a team that was expected to be at the top " and are a middling team in the Nescac yet ranked 14 in d3.com poll.  Yes they beat Babson in OT at home, but as you mentioned previously, if you get a big win against a quality team but keep beating each other up in conference how can Amherst continue their ranking and be positioned for a post season birth?