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Gregory Sager

Quote from: AndOne on February 19, 2017, 05:12:40 PMThe game was very poorly officiated on both ends of the floor. Both teams had multiple valid complaints. However, only Mr. Bausch lost his cool to the point that he loudly voiced his opinion that a particular call was bull excrement. In exchange for said opinion Bausch was hit with a T which resulted in 2 made NCC free throws in a 2 point loss.

Bausch also received a technical in the first meeting between these two teams:

Quote from: AndOne on December 04, 2016, 04:20:48 PM
The lowlight of the game occurred with the outcome already assured, and with only 4 seconds remaining when the frustrated Alec Bausch, who had been acting strangely since pre-game warmups, threw the Cardinals Erwin Henry to the floor. Bausch, who received a T for his actions, then allegedly referred to Mr. Henry in feline terms. Meow! 😼 😊

The Cardinals' uniforms apparently affect him the same way that the red capes of matadors affect bulls.

Quote from: iwumichigander on February 19, 2017, 08:44:10 PMKiko - not a mountain, unless Sager responds then we might not have a mountain but at least an effort that rivals Denver and Atlanta in altitude  :o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcMM5-zBCEc

Quote from: AndOne on February 19, 2017, 09:02:14 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2017, 07:56:24 PM
Why the SID has to deliver checks to the officials is beyond me. Let him handle information, for goodness sakes!

That would never work. It makes too much sense.  ;)

As kiko said, resources are quite thin even in the best of circumstances at the D3 level. At North Park, the SID is also the game manager. It's the game manager's responsibility to hand the checks to the officials, and rightly so. If I was in charge, I'd never pawn off the responsibility of paying the officials to some student, especially since the task doesn't take all that much time away from other game-night responsibilities.
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Dave 'd-mac' McHugh

I have found that when the camera operator stops moving the camera with the action, two things have happened: he/she has stopped remembering they are an employee and have become a fan; they have found their cellphone and somehow things are more interesting there. In either case, it is training that needs to be done or improved (I don't want to assume anything about Carroll or anyone's set-up and employment practices), cellphone needs to be removed (I have done that at two locations now), and the student needs to remember that this is an actual job and not a hobby. Wherever I have been hired to oversee or train, I remind those students that college is to prepare them for their future especially in employment. No excuse for not doing the job properly and if they can't do it... the door is that way.

Again, don't want to assume anything about Carroll's set-up. I can appreciate an SID who has to wear extra hats. I don't like it, but every situation is different. From what I saw on the video, the student was a fan or a cellphone addict... either way, easily fixed. I have had ADs tell me they have "reminded" students of their roles in a manner that solved the problem.
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Gregory Sager

My thoughts exactly, D-Mac. When watching games live I've spotted student camera operators looking at their phones past a timeout buzzer, and I've thought to myself, "There's a tracking problem just waiting to happen." I'd make a general complaint about the younger generation's difficulty with re-directing their eyeballs somewhere other than their phones, but I'm just not in a "get off my lawn" kinda mood right now. ;)

One of the virtues of the way Kevin runs his staff at NPU is that he uses student-athletes in particular. Of course, the downside to that is, as I said before, he uses so many baseball players that when baseball season starts it really cuts into his staff. But the upside, at least from my point of view, is that the camera operators he assigns to us really care about doing a good job. And I think that that's because they realize that the webcasts of their sports, too, are dependent upon good camerawork. It's an empathy thing, in other words.
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Greek Tragedy

I'm real interested to see this week's regional rankings after Augustana and IWU suffered 2 losses each while Carthage went 2-0. I presume that IWU has to get that AQ to get in the NCAAs and that means winning tomorrow vs Augustana. And what about those Vikings? If they lose tomorrow and then lose in the CCIW tourney, are they out of the NCAAs? Are NPU's 2 wins enough to get them back in the rankings? Is the CCIW really looking at only one bid this year. If Carthage wins tomorrow and loses in the conference tourney, is that enough to get them in? There seems to be a WIAC logjam at the top of the rankings.
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GoPerry

Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 20, 2017, 10:06:11 AM
I'm real interested to see this week's regional rankings after Augustana and IWU suffered 2 losses each while Carthage went 2-0. I presume that IWU has to get that AQ to get in the NCAAs and that means winning tomorrow vs Augustana. And what about those Vikings? If they lose tomorrow and then lose in the CCIW tourney, are they out of the NCAAs? Are NPU's 2 wins enough to get them back in the rankings? Is the CCIW really looking at only one bid this year. If Carthage wins tomorrow and loses in the conference tourney, is that enough to get them in? There seems to be a WIAC logjam at the top of the rankings.


It's already a foregone conclusion that IWU's season is done after tomorrow since they've been eliminated from the Conf tourney picture.

I agree Wed's RR will be interesting to see which CCIW teams remain ranked.  In any case, it seems to me that there are no shoo-ins this year for a Pool C.  Most notable in the rankings data is the very mediocre SOS #s for everyone simply from everyone beating each other up and the historically sub-par non-con results.

AppletonRocks

I see that Carroll's mishandling of the camera for the internet broadcast was such a black mark on the school that the incoming President has decided to renege on the job.  :o :o :o

http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/education/2017/02/15/first-woman-president-carroll-university-withdraws-acceptance-job/97970088/
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iwumichigander

Quote from: GoPerry on February 20, 2017, 10:51:20 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 20, 2017, 10:06:11 AM
I'm real interested to see this week's regional rankings after Augustana and IWU suffered 2 losses each while Carthage went 2-0. I presume that IWU has to get that AQ to get in the NCAAs and that means winning tomorrow vs Augustana. And what about those Vikings? If they lose tomorrow and then lose in the CCIW tourney, are they out of the NCAAs? Are NPU's 2 wins enough to get them back in the rankings? Is the CCIW really looking at only one bid this year. If Carthage wins tomorrow and loses in the conference tourney, is that enough to get them in? There seems to be a WIAC logjam at the top of the rankings.

It's already a foregone conclusion that IWU's season is done after tomorrow since they've been eliminated from the Conf tourney picture.

I agree Wed's RR will be interesting to see which CCIW teams remain ranked.  In any case, it seems to me that there are no shoo-ins this year for a Pool C.  Most notable in the rankings data is the very mediocre SOS #s for everyone simply from everyone beating each other up and the historically sub-par non-con results.
Greek - Inquiring minds want to know! :D
GoPerry - Disagree with your foregone conclusion although admit Titans on or below bubble.  However, with a win Tuesday and by not being in the CCIW tournament (no more losses) the play out of the CCIW and WIAC tournaments could have surprising outcomes with a realignment of the final regional ranking which we will not see.  WashU won the UAA, WIAC and CCIW both have AQs so three off the board right away.  I think the  WIAC and CCIW will have conference tournament surprises.  Titans. W/L% will not be pretty but their SOS and vRRO could be surprising benefit as most of the losses could come from RRO teams.

Greek Tragedy

#45067
We'll actually see the last regional rankings this year.

In a way, you are right. A conference tourney team could go 0-1, 1-1 or in the WIAC's case, 2-1. All of those records will make their overall winning% go DOWN. But, in theory, that will help their SoSs and their vRRO.
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AndOne

I don't think the NCAA is going to select a team with 8 losses that couldn't even make their own 4 team conference tournament.  ::)

WUPHF

Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 19, 2017, 09:37:17 PM
The Cardinals' uniforms apparently affect him the same way that the red capes of matadors affect bulls.

This is definitely one of my favorites.  It took me about two minutes to stop laughing, though I laugh at everything. #sagerisms

GoPerry

Quote from: iwumichigander on February 20, 2017, 12:17:27 PM
Quote from: GoPerry on February 20, 2017, 10:51:20 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 20, 2017, 10:06:11 AM
I'm real interested to see this week's regional rankings after Augustana and IWU suffered 2 losses each while Carthage went 2-0. I presume that IWU has to get that AQ to get in the NCAAs and that means winning tomorrow vs Augustana. And what about those Vikings? If they lose tomorrow and then lose in the CCIW tourney, are they out of the NCAAs? Are NPU's 2 wins enough to get them back in the rankings? Is the CCIW really looking at only one bid this year. If Carthage wins tomorrow and loses in the conference tourney, is that enough to get them in? There seems to be a WIAC logjam at the top of the rankings.

It's already a foregone conclusion that IWU's season is done after tomorrow since they've been eliminated from the Conf tourney picture.

I agree Wed's RR will be interesting to see which CCIW teams remain ranked.  In any case, it seems to me that there are no shoo-ins this year for a Pool C.  Most notable in the rankings data is the very mediocre SOS #s for everyone simply from everyone beating each other up and the historically sub-par non-con results.
Greek - Inquiring minds want to know! :D
GoPerry - Disagree with your foregone conclusion although admit Titans on or below bubble.  However, with a win Tuesday and by not being in the CCIW tournament (no more losses) the play out of the CCIW and WIAC tournaments could have surprising outcomes with a realignment of the final regional ranking which we will not see.  WashU won the UAA, WIAC and CCIW both have AQs so three off the board right away.  I think the  WIAC and CCIW will have conference tournament surprises.  Titans. W/L% will not be pretty but their SOS and vRRO could be surprising benefit as most of the losses could come from RRO teams.


Didn't mean to offend anyone.  My 'foregone conclusion' comment had more to do with the idea that IWU could still get the AQ which of course they cannot.

Having said that, how likely is it that IWU gets a Pool C with a .68 W/L%?  Pretty unlikely? Perhaps highly unlikely?

WUPHF

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2017, 10:18:05 PM
Wherever I have been hired to oversee or train, I remind those students that college is to prepare them for their future especially in employment.

Wait, what did you say?

Sorry, someone just endorsed me on LinkedIn.

Mobile devices are a big problem and are only going to get worse as long as companies continue to program them to be addictive.

I would love to know how many coaches have had to implement a no device policy.  As coaches think about strength training programs, I do think there will be a need for focus training for athletes.

Greek Tragedy

Correction to myself:

Augustana lost their only game last week. They have lost 2 in a row, but their Carroll loss was the previous Saturday.
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iwumichigander

#45073
Quote from: GoPerry on February 20, 2017, 01:53:56 PM
Quote from: iwumichigander on February 20, 2017, 12:17:27 PM
Quote from: GoPerry on February 20, 2017, 10:51:20 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 20, 2017, 10:06:11 AM
I'm real interested to see this week's regional rankings after Augustana and IWU suffered 2 losses each while Carthage went 2-0. I presume that IWU has to get that AQ to get in the NCAAs and that means winning tomorrow vs Augustana. And what about those Vikings? If they lose tomorrow and then lose in the CCIW tourney, are they out of the NCAAs? Are NPU's 2 wins enough to get them back in the rankings? Is the CCIW really looking at only one bid this year. If Carthage wins tomorrow and loses in the conference tourney, is that enough to get them in? There seems to be a WIAC logjam at the top of the rankings.

It's already a foregone conclusion that IWU's season is done after tomorrow since they've been eliminated from the Conf tourney picture.

I agree Wed's RR will be interesting to see which CCIW teams remain ranked.  In any case, it seems to me that there are no shoo-ins this year for a Pool C.  Most notable in the rankings data is the very mediocre SOS #s for everyone simply from everyone beating each other up and the historically sub-par non-con results.
Greek - Inquiring minds want to know! :D
GoPerry - Disagree with your foregone conclusion although admit Titans on or below bubble.  However, with a win Tuesday and by not being in the CCIW tournament (no more losses) the play out of the CCIW and WIAC tournaments could have surprising outcomes with a realignment of the final regional ranking which we will not see.  WashU won the UAA, WIAC and CCIW both have AQs so three off the board right away.  I think the  WIAC and CCIW will have conference tournament surprises.  Titans. W/L% will not be pretty but their SOS and vRRO could be surprising benefit as most of the losses could come from RRO teams.


Didn't mean to offend anyone.  My 'foregone conclusion' comment had more to do with the idea that IWU could still get the AQ which of course they cannot.

Having said that, how likely is it that IWU gets a Pool C with a .68 W/L%?  Pretty unlikely? Perhaps highly unlikely?
No offense taken by me.  .68 W/L% needs some help with some other criteria  in the form of carnage in conference tournaments and not just CCIW.
  That win percentage you cited would mean IWU wins Tuesday over Augie, giving IWU a 17-8 vs D3, and no less than 5-2 vRRO right now (for this post I assume Augie does not get ranked).  Is that bubble territory - yes IMHO. 
This week's ranking will offer some hints.  For example, I looked at Knightslappy's rankings and were they to hold, four of eight teams move out of his rankings as as of  2/20 by virtue of winning AQs which could pull up to three more CCIW teams into the rankings for Pool C discussion without any consideration on my part about WIAC results.
On the other hand, a loss Tuesday to Augie by IWU likely dooms them along with other 9 loss teams as of 2/20 versus D3 that do or do not make their conference tournament particularly those with worse W/L% , weaker SOS and fewer vRRO and a losing vRRO result too boot.

Greek Tragedy

I think Augustana will still be regionally ranked. They lost their only game last week, so they didn't lose twice (my misktake). So, Benedictine might jump them. IWU should fall out, Carthage will move up and maybe North Park will come back in.
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