MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Gregory Sager]

North Central plays Wooster in Hanover, IN.

The CCIW is a multiple-bid league for the tenth straight year.

[Gregory Sager]

Here's the bracket in full:

http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2017/mbb-bracket-2017.pdf

[KaiSwanson]

It's a remarkable achievement to make the NCAA Division III postseason. But to do it three times running is rare air indeed.

Congratulations to Coach Giovanine and the Vikings on a season that exceeded expectations!

[cardinalpride]

North Central plays Wooster in Hanover, IN.

The CCIW is a multiple-bid league for the tenth straight year.

And you guys were worried. Lol
Smh

[Gregory Sager]

There was plenty of reason to be worried, CP. Augustana was not a shoo-in. But as Bob pointed out on Saturday night, there was a lot less havoc wreaked in conference tournament semifinals and championships than usual that day, and that relative absence of bid-thieving left enough room for some teams whose numbers would've been too low in past seasons for serious Pool C consideration.

[lmitzel]

Well, according to the final regional rankings, Illinois Wesleyan was at the table at the end.

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2017/02/men-regional-rankings-final

[sac]

Maybe not if Oshkosh was the last team selected.  I don't know if that has come out yet.

[bbfan44]

There are some things that make me scratch my head, and I know someone can help me clear the cob-webs out of my head.

How can the boys at d3hoops have teams like St Norbert and Dennison ranked in their top 15 list, yet they aren't considered good enough to even be considered for the Tourney because they didn't win their Conference?

I understand the two systems are independent of each other.  But, it seems to me that if the goal is to get to NCAA dance, d3hoops should rank them according to the method the NCAA uses for selection.  Why not?

[lmitzel]

There are some things that make me scratch my head, and I know someone can help me clear the cob-webs out of my head.

How can the boys at d3hoops have teams like St Norbert and Dennison ranked in their top 15 list, yet they aren't considered good enough to even be considered for the Tourney because they didn't win their Conference?

I understand the two systems are independent of each other.  But, it seems to me that if the goal is to get to NCAA dance, d3hoops should rank them according to the method the NCAA uses for selection.  Why not?

A subjective poll and the criteria for the NCAA Tournament are apples and oranges. The AP poll means nothing for the D-I NCAA Tournament; why does the D3Hoops poll have to be different?

Also, if you have either a .506 (St. Norbert) or worse, a .477 (Denison) SOS, you don't deserve a Pool C bid, Top 25 team or not.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Since IWU was the next team at the table after Oshkosh, I can't help wondering if MIT knocking Babson into the C ranks cost us a spot in the tourney.  One of those little mysteries for which we will never know the answer.

[AppletonRocks]

Since IWU was the next team at the table after Oshkosh, I can't help wondering if MIT knocking Babson into the C ranks cost us a spot in the tourney.  One of those little mysteries for which we will never know the answer.

And MIT owns BOSE, so if you use their speakers you should really try Koss.

[bbfan44]

There are some things that make me scratch my head, and I know someone can help me clear the cob-webs out of my head.

How can the boys at d3hoops have teams like St Norbert and Dennison ranked in their top 15 list, yet they aren't considered good enough to even be considered for the Tourney because they didn't win their Conference?

I understand the two systems are independent of each other.  But, it seems to me that if the goal is to get to NCAA dance, d3hoops should rank them according to the method the NCAA uses for selection.  Why not?

A subjective poll and the criteria for the NCAA Tournament are apples and oranges. The AP poll means nothing for the D-I NCAA Tournament; why does the D3Hoops poll have to be different?

Also, if you have either a .506 (St. Norbert) or worse, a .477 (Denison) SOS, you don't deserve a Pool C bid, Top 25 team or not.

That answer didn't help.  There are plenty of teams in the D-1 with better records than teams 20 to 25 in the AP poll;  for example, Vermont, Fla Golf Coast, UNC-Wilmington, Monmouth, Middle Tenn....and they aren't ranked because of SOS.  So, again,  if d3 teams have a poor SOS, why rank them?  What is the purpose of the d3 top 25?  One would assume that they are supposed to be the 25 best teams....but, apparently not.

[Greek Tragedy]

There are some things that make me scratch my head, and I know someone can help me clear the cob-webs out of my head.

How can the boys at d3hoops have teams like St Norbert and Dennison ranked in their top 15 list, yet they aren't considered good enough to even be considered for the Tourney because they didn't win their Conference?

I understand the two systems are independent of each other.  But, it seems to me that if the goal is to get to NCAA dance, d3hoops should rank them according to the method the NCAA uses for selection.  Why not?

A subjective poll and the criteria for the NCAA Tournament are apples and oranges. The AP poll means nothing for the D-I NCAA Tournament; why does the D3Hoops poll have to be different?

Also, if you have either a .506 (St. Norbert) or worse, a .477 (Denison) SOS, you don't deserve a Pool C bid, Top 25 team or not.

But a .63 winning percentage will get you in! I'm glad a fellow WIAC team got in, but I am also shocked at the same time. 17-10. Wow.

[Greek Tragedy]

They go by completely different criteria, i.e. SoS, regional rankings etc. The Top 25 is national in the sense that they don't rank teams regionally and then pick the "next best team". If the NCAA had a tournament that was truly the Top 64 teams, there wouldn't be AQs from some leagues that win their conference tourney.

[AndOne]

There are some things that make me scratch my head, and I know someone can help me clear the cob-webs out of my head.

How can the boys at d3hoops have teams like St Norbert and Dennison ranked in their top 15 list, yet they aren't considered good enough to even be considered for the Tourney because they didn't win their Conference?

I understand the two systems are independent of each other.  But, it seems to me that if the goal is to get to NCAA dance, d3hoops should rank them according to the method the NCAA uses for selection.  Why not?

A subjective poll and the criteria for the NCAA Tournament are apples and oranges. The AP poll means nothing for the D-I NCAA Tournament; why does the D3Hoops poll have to be different?

Also, if you have either a .506 (St. Norbert) or worse, a .477 (Denison) SOS, you don't deserve a Pool C bid, Top 25 team or not.

St. Norbert plays in a weak conference and racks up many easy wins in conference play. It makes for a great looking W/L record every year, but because of the general weakness of the teams they play so many games against, their SOS really suffers. Accordingly, if they don't win their conference tournament, trouble can easily result as seen in their failure to be selected this year.