MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[sac]

Two of the officials at Whitewater, Jordan Jarrett and Chad Palmer, are frequent MIAA referees.  They are both considered good ones.   MIAA referees had a rough year with coaching behavior.  I doubt anyone keeps such a statistic but I'm willing to bet the MIAA had more bench technical fouls than in any of its previous 10 or 15 years and probably more.  This included one head coach ejection, an assistant coaches ejection, another assistant asked to leave, a healthy number of coaches warnings, what I think is a record for coaches technical fouls and a commissioner who spent the last 2 weeks of the season specifically taking in games to monitor 2 different coaches sideline demeanor.   MIAA referees had a very short fuse with coaches towards the end of this year.

[Gregory Sager]

It would be interesting to know which of the three officials was the one who rang up Pat Miller. It would be even more interesting to know which of the three officials was the one who made the fateful foul call against Drew Bryson.

[warriorcat]

Greg, I thought one reason GG didn't get the T is because he was yelling at his own player. On the video, when they gave him the timeout, he was at halfcourt in the face of his Pt Guard, who had just turned it over against the press. I could be wrong but that may have been the difference.

This is the secret in the sauce for Ramapo's Chuck McBreen. If you have never watched (or heard) him, he is incredibly fiery on the sidelines and many have assumed he is going after refs when in reality he is going after his players. The refs know this, obviously, but it amazes me how many times fans think he should have been T-ed up when in reality he said nothing to the refs. Most times he is very cordial with the refs... though he might spin around and lose his mind with the bench. Crazy to watch.

Not sure that is what actually happened with Grey, but worth sharing the comparison.

Interesting take on the Ramapo coach considering that he got T'ed up early in Saturday's game vs Keene St.  I am not sure where the refs came from but one possibility is that they came from outside the region and did not give him the leeway that refs familiar with him might have given. 

[AppletonRocks]

Titan is correct. Our discussion relates back to talent levels of CCIW teams in mid-November, 2016, and I am not trying to sand bag him. I really respect his posts and the fact that he is pretty nonpartisan compared to some of the rest of us despite his love for IWU.

My son in law and grandson were at the game last night in Whitewater and were rooting for Whitewater, as one of the Warhawks was a teammate of my grandson in high school last year. Their Observation was that the the refs totally blew the 2 shot foul call to the detriment of UWW but had no choice but to follow the possession arrow rule. However, they also felt the officials should have swallowed their whistle and not t'd up the Whitewater coach given they blew the FT call. They also did not believe Coach G deserved a t, since he was berating his own player and was on the court trying to get a time out.

That's the view of two neutral observers who were court side. They both acknowledged it was a special game between to really good teams.

Very rare for a player for Whitewater to come straight from high school.  It happens, but doesn't represent the way they build their teams. Must be a special player.

I have said my peace on coach behavior in earlier posts.

[lmitzel]

Juwan Henry is up for the NABC All Star Game.

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2017/03/nabc-all-star-voting-2017?t=1488820351384

[Gregory Sager]

CCIW fans, vote for Juwan Henry early and often in the finest Chicago tradition!

[badgerwarhawk]

It would be interesting to know which of the three officials was the one who rang up Pat Miller. It would be even more interesting to know which of the three officials was the one who made the fateful foul call against Drew Bryson.

Excuse my descriptions but I don't know their names.  One referee was an older guy the other two were bald.  One bald one was black and the other white.  The official that administered the technical was the bald white guy.  Interestingly he's the one that originally signaled a bonus free throw but for some reason one of the other ones, sorry not sure which because I didn't notice it at the time, was the one who stop play to award the unmerited free throw.  Had the officials not realized the error and the second free throw was shot and made it could have been corrected before the second dead ball that followed.  At that point the correction would have been to negate the free throw and allow everything that happened afterward to stand.  That scenario wouldn't have impacted us so significantly. 

This the last I'll comment on it for my own sake.  It's over move on Badger.

[augie77]

Gregory Sager mentioned in the Pool C room that IWU dropped their graduate programs many years ago.  Assuming this is true, shouldn't it be Illinois Wesleyan College going forward?  Definitely not a "demotion", but accuracy in reporting?

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Greg, I thought one reason GG didn't get the T is because he was yelling at his own player. On the video, when they gave him the timeout, he was at halfcourt in the face of his Pt Guard, who had just turned it over against the press. I could be wrong but that may have been the difference.

This is the secret in the sauce for Ramapo's Chuck McBreen. If you have never watched (or heard) him, he is incredibly fiery on the sidelines and many have assumed he is going after refs when in reality he is going after his players. The refs know this, obviously, but it amazes me how many times fans think he should have been T-ed up when in reality he said nothing to the refs. Most times he is very cordial with the refs... though he might spin around and lose his mind with the bench. Crazy to watch.

Not sure that is what actually happened with Grey, but worth sharing the comparison.

Interesting take on the Ramapo coach considering that he got T'ed up early in Saturday's game vs Keene St.  I am not sure where the refs came from but one possibility is that they came from outside the region and did not give him the leeway that refs familiar with him might have given.

I know the trio who called the game very well. I would say they are Mid-Atlantic refs, but that isn't a fair description. The way refs are now assigned in PA, NJ, DE, MD, and northern VA changed dramatically a few years ago and now they can be assigned to any school in those states. It has created much better officiating.

Anyway, the trio though was more Mid-Atlantic and at least one of them is out of Maryland (I can't remember were the other two reside specifically). One of them is actually the husband of a women's coach in the Centennial. Anyway... they all have a pretty good leash though one of them in particular would be more likely to pull the trigger. However, I will say that they won't do it if he was going after players, so I am sure he earned it.

[Pat Coleman]

Gregory Sager mentioned in the Pool C room that IWU dropped their graduate programs many years ago.  Assuming this is true, shouldn't it be Illinois Wesleyan College going forward?  Definitely not a "demotion", but accuracy in reporting?

The college/university term failed to have that kind of meaning some time ago.

[Gregory Sager]

In the U.S., institutions of higher learning can call themselves whatever they wish. There are no accrediting bodies or governmental agencies that can enforce rules that determine what name a school may use. If Illinois Wesleyan University wants to continue calling itself Illinois Wesleyan University, even though there aren't any grad programs affiliated with the school any more, nobody's going to stop it from doing so.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Yeah... the names thing has jumped the shark. When University of Not a Place started happening it lost all kinds of decorum.

[AndOne]

Gregory Sager mentioned in the Pool C room that IWU dropped their graduate programs many years ago.  Assuming this is true, shouldn't it be Illinois Wesleyan College going forward?  Definitely not a "demotion", but accuracy in reporting?

Accuracy comes in green?   

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Gregory Sager mentioned in the Pool C room that IWU dropped their graduate programs many years ago.  Assuming this is true, shouldn't it be Illinois Wesleyan College going forward?  Definitely not a "demotion", but accuracy in reporting?

The college/university term failed to have that kind of meaning some time ago.

I thought it had something to do with whether you're divided into "schools" or "departments."  Something about organizational structure and independence?  I don't really know.  I know all the other Nazarene schools went to "university" some time ago and parade it around like they're something special.  I'm happy my alma mater (Eastern Nazarene) stayed a college, even though I'm not exactly sure what it means.

Then again, you've got Boston College, which is actually a university.  So who knows?

[Gregory Sager]

I thought it had something to do with whether you're divided into "schools" or "departments."  Something about organizational structure and independence?

That's one definition. The other definition relates to terminal degrees, i.e., the presence of graduate programs.

A lot of D3 liberal arts colleges have grad schools now. Some of them retain the name "college", some changed it to "university" as a result of adding the grad schools. Speaking for my alma mater, that was the lesser reason why the school changed from "North Park College" to "North Park University" back in 1996. The bigger reason was because of the high percentage of international students on campus, most of whom came from Scandinavia or South Korea -- two places where the word "college" connotes either a private high school or an administrative subset of a university. In other words, the school's name was a hindrance for international students on a diploma or a résumé after graduating and returning to their home countries, which gave NPC a strong impetus to change to NPU.

(Lots of my fellow NPC grads hated the change, and still do.)