MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[HAMBO]

Your points are well made AndOne and accepted.  What is the latest on Wash U and the CCIW beyond football?

[Greek Tragedy]

I wouldn't automatically make the assumption that NCC's first place vote came from Rock Island.
It's logical that the perceived first place team coach would want as much distance as possible between his team and what is expected to be his closest competition.

I have no idea what you are trying to say here. The coach voted for his team so there's a bigger gap between his team and the 2nd place team...to make his team look better? I'm guessing we fans put more effort into who we think should be preseason favorites than the coaches/SIDs.

[lmitzel]

Preseason coaches' poll is out. Augie picked almost unanimously to win. NCC second with Augie's first place vote, Carthage third with whoever went rogue in their poll giving them the other first place vote.

I wouldn't automatically make the assumption that NCC's first place vote came from Rock Island.
It's logical that the perceived first place team coach would want as much distance as possible between his team and what is expected to be his closest competition.

I never would have pegged the preseason poll as politicking/[thing] measuring by coaches, so the idea of point total distance doesn't make a ton of sense. In the grand scheme of things, the preseason poll means nothing, so I don't see why a coach wouldn't vote honestly unless out of spite... which isn't entirely out of the realm of possibility.

In my head yesterday when I made the assumption that NCC got Augie's vote, it made sense. As I think about it again today, the scenario of whoever went rogue gave their first place vote to NCC while Augie gave theirs to Carthage. I don't know, I could easily have been wrong.

I look for Carroll and Millikin to be the most improved teams this year.  Carroll's talented freshmen from last year will be more experienced and Millikin has a new coach, new vision and many JC transfers.  The conference should be strong from top to bottom.  It should be a fun year.

Carroll and Millikin may well both be improved this season, but most improved is highly debatable.
Carroll lost its leading scorer. I look for Nick Penny, a great shooter who had a very nice freshman campaign, to pick up most of the slack there. Along with Zaeske and Widdes, they make a very good shooting team. They can't shoot too much better than last season so the two biggest factors in how much they improve might be how much better post play they get from Tyler Ingebrigtsen, as well as how well they can play defensively. As far as their "talented freshmen from last year," who would that be besides Penny?

Maybe it's semantics, but unless Carroll got some superstar/Penny makes a huge leap/Carroll shoots the lights out again/some combination of the three en route to a 12-4 mark and contention for the conference title, it's hard to see the Pios being "most improved." I'm sure they'll be pretty good and in the mix for a tournament spot, but like AndOne said, "most improved" is debatable.

I'll be interested to see what Millikin can do though.

[WUPHF]

What is the latest on Wash U and the CCIW beyond football?

The latest is that Washington University is joining the CCIW for football.

The other programs will continue to play CCIW as much as possible in non-conference play.

For what it is worth, I like Decatur and the Millikin campus.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

What is the latest on Wash U and the CCIW beyond football?

The latest is that Washington University is joining the CCIW for football.

The other programs will continue to play CCIW as much as possible in non-conference play.

For what it is worth, I like Decatur and the Millikin campus.

Not sure there is more to make of anything... it isn't like WashU is suddenly going to leave the UAA for CCIW. UAA doesn't have football, so they need a home and that has changed a lot in the last few years. Otherwise, nothing to talk about.

[all blues]

I look for Carroll and Millikin to be the most improved teams this year.  Carroll's talented freshmen from last year will be more experienced and Millikin has a new coach, new vision and many JC transfers.  The conference should be strong from top to bottom.  It should be a fun year.

You sound like a Millikin fan Hambo. If so, we could use one.

Millikin...may have a lot of JC transfers, but lets see if those transfers have game vs. CCIW competition before we get too excited.   

FWIW, after new rosters were posted, I took the liberty (as some of you may have) of locating where Millikin's JC transfers were ranked on PrepHoops in their senior year of HS.  IIRC, most were in the low 100's, which is prime territory for a good CCIW recruit...

[newCCIWfan]

I look for Carroll and Millikin to be the most improved teams this year.  Carroll's talented freshmen from last year will be more experienced and Millikin has a new coach, new vision and many JC transfers.  The conference should be strong from top to bottom.  It should be a fun year.

You sound like a Millikin fan Hambo. If so, we could use one.

Millikin...may have a lot of JC transfers, but lets see if those transfers have game vs. CCIW competition before we get too excited.   

FWIW, after new rosters were posted, I took the liberty (as some of you may have) of locating where Millikin's JC transfers were ranked on PrepHoops in their senior year of HS.  IIRC, most were in the low 100's, which is prime territory for a good CCIW recruit...

While no doubt most CCIW schools get kids in the low 100's ... I would suspect (without bothering to look it up) that most GOOD CCIW players are in the top 100 for sure with most of them coming in the 60-80 range.

[AndOne]

I wouldn't automatically make the assumption that NCC's first place vote came from Rock Island.
It's logical that the perceived first place team coach would want as much distance as possible between his team and what is expected to be his closest competition.

I have no idea what you are trying to say here. The coach voted for his team so there's a bigger gap between his team and the 2nd place team...to make his team look better? I'm guessing we fans put more effort into who we think should be preseason favorites than the coaches/SIDs.

Its really pretty easy. Coach A's team is favored. He knows Coach B's team is his primary threat. As such, he gives his 1st place vote to Coach C's team so the distance/number of votes between his team and the expected 2nd place team is increased thus making the talent gap between his team and Team B appear wider than it actually is. Also, sometimes some coaches just don't particularly care for one of their rivals. Accordingly, they may very well be reluctant to give that rival the credit (vote) he/his team deserves. Think it doesn't happen? 

Also, the CCIW SIDs have nothing to do with this poll. It's just the head coaches.

[AndOne]

Preseason coaches' poll is out. Augie picked almost unanimously to win. NCC second with Augie's first place vote, Carthage third with whoever went rogue in their poll giving them the other first place vote.

I wouldn't automatically make the assumption that NCC's first place vote came from Rock Island.
It's logical that the perceived first place team coach would want as much distance as possible between his team and what is expected to be his closest competition.

I never would have pegged the preseason poll as politicking/[thing] measuring by coaches, so the idea of point total distance doesn't make a ton of sense. In the grand scheme of things, the preseason poll means nothing, so I don't see why a coach wouldn't vote honestly unless out of spite... which isn't entirely out of the realm of possibility.

In my head yesterday when I made the assumption that NCC got Augie's vote, it made sense. As I think about it again today, the scenario of whoever went rogue gave their first place vote to NCC while Augie gave theirs to Carthage. I don't know, I could easily have been wrong.

Admittedly this probably occurs infrequently with regard to the pre-season coaches poll.
Where such behavior may be more likely to occur is in voting for the all-conference team. Almost every year at least one player is rewarded with an all conference selection based more on where his team finishes than his actual talent level. It's not like the kid is a bad player, but there is often a more deserving player or two that doesn't get the recognition he deserves because his team finished closer to the bottom of the standings than the top.
And, additionally, there is occasionally a coach that because he has a beef against a certain player, or even that player's coach or school, will withhold his all conference vote from a deserving player. Believe me, it happens.

[Red and black]

Interesting news out of Elmhurst.  I wonder if this impacts the basketball program at all. 

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/elmhurst-lacked-institutional-control

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Interesting news out of Elmhurst.  I wonder if this impacts the basketball program at all. 

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/elmhurst-lacked-institutional-control

Shouldn't impact anything. The infractions ended two years ago. No teams have any individuals on them receiving illegal money whether that means they are no longer on the teams or the money has been fixed who knows.

But long and short of it... no impact on this academic year. Now, there will be a lot of vacated wins most likely for ten programs... but I haven't tried to look at what those might be just as of yet.

[AndOne]

Interesting news out of Elmhurst.  I wonder if this impacts the basketball program at all. 

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/elmhurst-lacked-institutional-control

Shouldn't impact anything. The infractions ended two years ago. No teams have any individuals on them receiving illegal money whether that means they are no longer on the teams or the money has been fixed who knows.

But long and short of it... no impact on this academic year. Now, there will be a lot of vacated wins most likely for ten programs... but I haven't tried to look at what those might be just as of yet.

Dave,

Question......

As far as "shouldn't impact anything," what about the probation through 10/26/19? Am I missing something?

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Interesting news out of Elmhurst.  I wonder if this impacts the basketball program at all. 

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/elmhurst-lacked-institutional-control

Shouldn't impact anything. The infractions ended two years ago. No teams have any individuals on them receiving illegal money whether that means they are no longer on the teams or the money has been fixed who knows.

But long and short of it... no impact on this academic year. Now, there will be a lot of vacated wins most likely for ten programs... but I haven't tried to look at what those might be just as of yet.

Dave,

Question......

As far as "shouldn't impact anything," what about the probation through 10/26/19? Am I missing something?

That's basically a "do not get in trouble between now and 10/26/19 or we throw the book at you" type of thing. If they don't do anything stupid, there is nothing to worry about. Yes, some extra red tape, things to fill out, meetings to attend, conversations to be had with the NCAA, but that is all administrative stuff... won't affect teams, post-season, etc.

[Titan Q]

IWU scrimmaged NAIA Olivet Nazarene last night, winning the two varsity halves (played separately of course) by a total of 71-60.  IWU won the JV 22-19.

Sounds like 6-6 F Jaylen Beasley, 6-6 F Danny Baker, and 6-3 G Brady Rose starred for the Titans.  Freshman PG Grant Wolfe played well in the varsity rotation and junior guard Nick Coleman had a nice game.

Returning starter Colin Bonnett has been out with a concussion - he starts practicing tomorrow.

[Gotberg]

NPU roster is posted:  http://athletics.northpark.edu/roster.aspx?path=mbball