MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[CCIWchamps]

Wheaton was going to beat about anyone in the country tonight - they were just incredibly sharp on both ends of the floor.

You saw the game and I didn't, so all I can go by is the box score ... but when I see that a team gave up 95 points on 50% shooting from the field by its opponent, the words "incredibly sharp" don't leap to mind in terms of that team's defense.

I'm just curious as to why you used that term to describe Wheaton's defense. Wheaton gave up 18 points more than its season points-against average tonight -- and this is a Wheaton team that wasn't scintillating on D to begin with (the Sonic Atmospheric Disturbance is 8th in overall points allowed, and was 7th -- and is now 8th -- in CCIW points allowed). And, since IWU only turned the ball over six times tonight, it doesn't seem like this was a great exhibition of ballhawking by WC, either.

I'm sure that Mike Schauer is ecstatic to come home from BloNo with a rare Shirk win in his back pocket, but I'm dying to ask him on Saturday in the crackerbox whether or not he thinks that his team's defense was "incredibly sharp" on Wednesday night.

I thought Wheaton did a tremendous job on Brady Rose.  They trapped him near halfcourt often, made him work very hard to get the ball in IWU's offense, and didn't give him open looks.  24 minutes into the game, Rose had just 9 points...and Wheaton had an 18-point lead.

Brady Rose makes IWU go and I think Wheaton did the best job of any CCIW opponent to date in making it really hard on him.

Right, but did you read the box score?! 

[augie77]

Rose was just 4 for 16 (none for 3 pts) in the Titans' recent loss to Augustana.

[Gregory Sager]

Wheaton was going to beat about anyone in the country tonight - they were just incredibly sharp on both ends of the floor.

You saw the game and I didn't, so all I can go by is the box score ... but when I see that a team gave up 95 points on 50% shooting from the field by its opponent, the words "incredibly sharp" don't leap to mind in terms of that team's defense.

I'm just curious as to why you used that term to describe Wheaton's defense. Wheaton gave up 18 points more than its season points-against average tonight -- and this is a Wheaton team that wasn't scintillating on D to begin with (the Sonic Atmospheric Disturbance is 8th in overall points allowed, and was 7th -- and is now 8th -- in CCIW points allowed). And, since IWU only turned the ball over six times tonight, it doesn't seem like this was a great exhibition of ballhawking by WC, either.

I'm sure that Mike Schauer is ecstatic to come home from BloNo with a rare Shirk win in his back pocket, but I'm dying to ask him on Saturday in the crackerbox whether or not he thinks that his team's defense was "incredibly sharp" on Wednesday night.

I thought Wheaton did a tremendous job on Brady Rose.  They trapped him near halfcourt often, made him work very hard to get the ball in IWU's offense, and didn't give him open looks.  24 minutes into the game, Rose had just 9 points...and Wheaton had an 18-point lead.

Brady Rose makes IWU go and I think Wheaton did the best job of any CCIW opponent to date in making it really hard on him.

Right, but did you read the box score?! 

The box score in which Rose scored 27 points on 9-15 shooting from the field and attempted nine free throws? I guess it's irrelevant.

[wheels81]

Wheaton was going to beat about anyone in the country tonight - they were just incredibly sharp on both ends of the floor.

You saw the game and I didn't, so all I can go by is the box score ... but when I see that a team gave up 95 points on 50% shooting from the field by its opponent, the words "incredibly sharp" don't leap to mind in terms of that team's defense.

I'm just curious as to why you used that term to describe Wheaton's defense. Wheaton gave up 18 points more than its season points-against average tonight -- and this is a Wheaton team that wasn't scintillating on D to begin with (the Sonic Atmospheric Disturbance is 8th in overall points allowed, and was 7th -- and is now 8th -- in CCIW points allowed). And, since IWU only turned the ball over six times tonight, it doesn't seem like this was a great exhibition of ballhawking by WC, either.

I'm sure that Mike Schauer is ecstatic to come home from BloNo with a rare Shirk win in his back pocket, but I'm dying to ask him on Saturday in the crackerbox whether or not he thinks that his team's defense was "incredibly sharp" on Wednesday night.

I thought Wheaton did a tremendous job on Brady Rose.  They trapped him near halfcourt often, made him work very hard to get the ball in IWU's offense, and didn't give him open looks.  24 minutes into the game, Rose had just 9 points...and Wheaton had an 18-point lead.

Brady Rose makes IWU go and I think Wheaton did the best job of any CCIW opponent to date in making it really hard on him.

Right, but did you read the box score?! 

The box score in which Rose scored 27 points on 9-15 shooting from the field and attempted nine free throws? I guess it's irrelevant.

He scored 11 of those points in the final 2 and half minutes on some great shooting and wheaton wasn't double teaming him much so he was able to go one on one and drive to hoop or get a open 3 look.  Wheaton was up big but they didn't really let the "air" out of the game because they took quicker than expected shots being up big and also IWU started to institute the hack a shaq on Peters early.   That's what extended the game and led to more possessions and more scoring opportunities.  So What Q said was correct because you didn't see Rose go off like that until the Wheaotn changed their play which by the way almost allowed Rose to make the improbable comeback.

[duckfan41]

Wheaton was going to beat about anyone in the country tonight - they were just incredibly sharp on both ends of the floor.

You saw the game and I didn't, so all I can go by is the box score ... but when I see that a team gave up 95 points on 50% shooting from the field by its opponent, the words "incredibly sharp" don't leap to mind in terms of that team's defense.

I'm just curious as to why you used that term to describe Wheaton's defense. Wheaton gave up 18 points more than its season points-against average tonight -- and this is a Wheaton team that wasn't scintillating on D to begin with (the Sonic Atmospheric Disturbance is 8th in overall points allowed, and was 7th -- and is now 8th -- in CCIW points allowed). And, since IWU only turned the ball over six times tonight, it doesn't seem like this was a great exhibition of ballhawking by WC, either.

I'm sure that Mike Schauer is ecstatic to come home from BloNo with a rare Shirk win in his back pocket, but I'm dying to ask him on Saturday in the crackerbox whether or not he thinks that his team's defense was "incredibly sharp" on Wednesday night.

I thought Wheaton did a tremendous job on Brady Rose.  They trapped him near halfcourt often, made him work very hard to get the ball in IWU's offense, and didn't give him open looks.  24 minutes into the game, Rose had just 9 points...and Wheaton had an 18-point lead.

Brady Rose makes IWU go and I think Wheaton did the best job of any CCIW opponent to date in making it really hard on him.

Right, but did you read the box score?! 

The box score in which Rose scored 27 points on 9-15 shooting from the field and attempted nine free throws? I guess it's irrelevant.

He scored 11 of those points in the final 2 and half minutes on some great shooting and wheaton wasn't double teaming him much so he was able to go one on one and drive to hoop or get a open 3 look.  Wheaton was up big but they didn't really let the "air" out of the game because they took quicker than expected shots being up big and also IWU started to institute the hack a shaq on Peters early.   That's what extended the game and led to more possessions and more scoring opportunities.  So What Q said was correct because you didn't see Rose go off like that until the Wheaotn changed their play which by the way almost allowed Rose to make the improbable comeback.

I think it's fair to recognize that Q himself acknowledged that Wheaton (for the most part) held Brady Rose in check for the majority of that game on Wednesday. I watched the game over the livestream and was thinking throughout until Rose's individual comeback at the end, "Wow, we are doing a great job at limiting Rose's shots and making IWU work for everything they're getting."

There was no shortage of offense in this one from both sides, so to fault one team or the other for the offensive output of the other in a game that resembled a track meet during certain stretches does not seem fair. The potential rubber match looming in the CCIW Tourney if both teams win the games they should the rest of the way is sure going to be entertaining.

[duckfan41]

To touch on another subject, I feel a Henry-less North Central is also dangerous. Having been on teams that have lost a significant piece to injury, I can speak to the motivation that comes to the team as whole. Losing a senior leader no doubt hurts, but look for the Cards to play with a heightened motivation to win for Henry and make sure his senior year ends in the best way possible for him, even though he won't be contributing to the box score on the floor. I have loved watching Erwin Henry play because he is an elite guard talent, and I hate to see him sidelined so near to the end of his career that has been so successful.

[Gregory Sager]

Wheaton was going to beat about anyone in the country tonight - they were just incredibly sharp on both ends of the floor.

You saw the game and I didn't, so all I can go by is the box score ... but when I see that a team gave up 95 points on 50% shooting from the field by its opponent, the words "incredibly sharp" don't leap to mind in terms of that team's defense.

I'm just curious as to why you used that term to describe Wheaton's defense. Wheaton gave up 18 points more than its season points-against average tonight -- and this is a Wheaton team that wasn't scintillating on D to begin with (the Sonic Atmospheric Disturbance is 8th in overall points allowed, and was 7th -- and is now 8th -- in CCIW points allowed). And, since IWU only turned the ball over six times tonight, it doesn't seem like this was a great exhibition of ballhawking by WC, either.

I'm sure that Mike Schauer is ecstatic to come home from BloNo with a rare Shirk win in his back pocket, but I'm dying to ask him on Saturday in the crackerbox whether or not he thinks that his team's defense was "incredibly sharp" on Wednesday night.

I thought Wheaton did a tremendous job on Brady Rose.  They trapped him near halfcourt often, made him work very hard to get the ball in IWU's offense, and didn't give him open looks.  24 minutes into the game, Rose had just 9 points...and Wheaton had an 18-point lead.

Brady Rose makes IWU go and I think Wheaton did the best job of any CCIW opponent to date in making it really hard on him.

Right, but did you read the box score?! 

The box score in which Rose scored 27 points on 9-15 shooting from the field and attempted nine free throws? I guess it's irrelevant.

He scored 11 of those points in the final 2 and half minutes on some great shooting and wheaton wasn't double teaming him much so he was able to go one on one and drive to hoop or get a open 3 look.  Wheaton was up big but they didn't really let the "air" out of the game because they took quicker than expected shots being up big and also IWU started to institute the hack a shaq on Peters early.   That's what extended the game and led to more possessions and more scoring opportunities.  So What Q said was correct because you didn't see Rose go off like that until the Wheaotn changed their play which by the way almost allowed Rose to make the improbable comeback.

I think it's fair to recognize that Q himself acknowledged that Wheaton (for the most part) held Brady Rose in check for the majority of that game on Wednesday. I watched the game over the livestream and was thinking throughout until Rose's individual comeback at the end, "Wow, we are doing a great job at limiting Rose's shots and making IWU work for everything they're getting."

I'm aware of all that. Remember, I read the PBP as well as the box score. But a game is 40 minutes long. Unless one or both head coaches puts in the end of the bench for garbage time, a game ought to be evaluated based upon the entire forty minutes. Ron Rose didn't concede and put in his reserves -- and rightly so, because it was still a winnable game for the Titans right up into the final minute, however remote IWU's chances were by that point. The Wheaton lead was a dozen points going into the final four minutes, and we've all seen plenty of games in which a 12-point lead evaporated in the last 4:00 (and, remember, Brady Rose didn't start his hot streak until there was three minutes remaining). Such a comeback is particularly well within the reach of a team like Illinois Wesleyan that has plenty of firepower. Four minutes of bad play can easily undo 36 minutes of fair or even good play. Been there, seen that.

There was no shortage of offense in this one from both sides, so to fault one team or the other for the offensive output of the other in a game that resembled a track meet during certain stretches does not seem fair.

Why not? Plenty of track-meet-type games have defense. Defense in those scenarios isn't measured in opponent points or opponent FG% but rather in turnovers, as turnovers in those kinds of games indicate a risk-taking defense that got easy points on runouts while giving up easy points when the gambles failed. But, as I said yesterday, IWU only turned it over six times. (Wheaton, in turn, only turned it over seven times.) And, even discounting that final flurry of points by Brady Rose, Illinois Wesleyan reached its season scoring average with 4:33 remaining in the game. It's thus pretty apparent that, even though Wheaton's D was suppressing Rose's scoring until he checked back in for good at the 6:01 mark, it wasn't suppressing the Titans as a whole. Wheaton's offense was simply running a higher-octane track meet than IWU's, to mix metaphors.

In the Pantagraph article about the game, Mike Schauer was quoted as saying something to the effect of, "We're not a good defensive team at times," or something like that. He likely had the last few minutes of the game in particular in mind when he said that, but it's obvious that he didn't agree with Bob that his team was "incredibly sharp" at the defensive end. And that's really my point; while it's obvious to anyone who looks at the PBP that Wheaton held down Rose for most of the game, it just seems like a pretty big leap to me to go from that to describing Wheaton's defense as "incredibly sharp" when it gave up 95 points, 50% FG shooting, and 31 free throws while accumulating only six takeaways over the course of 40 minutes in a game that had no garbage time.

Anyway, this issue's been belabored enough, so I'll move on.

[WUPHF]

The Wheaton lead was a dozen points going into the final four minutes, and we've all seen plenty of games in which a 12-point lead evaporated in the last 4:00 (and, remember, Brady Rose didn't start his hot streak until there was three minutes remaining). Such a comeback is particularly well within the reach of a team like Illinois Wesleyan that has plenty of firepower. Four minutes of bad play can easily undo 36 minutes of fair or even good play. Been there, seen that.

I was assured that the Augustana win over Washington University was a blowout and equivalent to the other two losses even though the Augie lead was 11 going in to the final four minutes. 

Seriously though, I'll say that I thought the officiating favored IWU late in the first half and tempered the Wheaton defense just a little.  Not to say that the defense was not good, but if I were a Wheaton fan, I would have been frustrated with several calls during the first half. 

I say I thought because I watched the game on my phone so I may have felt differently had I watched on a flat screen or in person.

[iwumichigander]

The Wheaton lead was a dozen points going into the final four minutes, and we've all seen plenty of games in which a 12-point lead evaporated in the last 4:00 (and, remember, Brady Rose didn't start his hot streak until there was three minutes remaining). Such a comeback is particularly well within the reach of a team like Illinois Wesleyan that has plenty of firepower. Four minutes of bad play can easily undo 36 minutes of fair or even good play. Been there, seen that.

I was assured that the Augustana win over Washington University was a blowout and equivalent to the other two losses even though the Augie lead was 11 going in to the final four minutes. 

Seriously though, I'll say that I thought the officiating favored IWU late in the first half and tempered the Wheaton defense just a little.  Not to say that the defense was not good, but if I were a Wheaton fan, I would have been frustrated with several calls during the first half. 

I say I thought because I watched the game on my phone so I may have felt differently had I watched on a flat screen or in person.

Umm, some would say that an 11 point lead by Augie would be a blow out

The officiating in the IWU contest - yeah, IWU got some favorable calls late.  IWU had turned into the agressor late I the contest and Wheaton had foul trouble one foul out and two guys with 4 fouls.

Where I got frustrated in that game was this - IWU was having success going into the paint, scoring and/or drawing fouls...then to me went away from that trying to make threes.

[WUPHF]

The officiating in the IWU contest - yeah, IWU got some favorable calls late.  IWU had turned into the aggressor late I the contest and Wheaton had foul trouble one foul out and two guys with 4 fouls.

My concerns about the officiating were mostly the fouls that helped get Wheaton in to early foul trouble in the first half.  But I might feel differently if I went back and watched on a flat screen.

Where I got frustrated in that game was this - IWU was having success going into the paint, scoring and/or drawing fouls...then to me went away from that trying to make threes.

The Aston Francis effect.

[bigz61550]

I don't often post here, but am a Wheaton graduate living about 20 miles from IWU.  I was there in person Wednesday.  I agree that Wheaton had trouble with refs off and on especially in the first half.  Wouldn't say they were all bad calls, but didn't seem as closely called at the other end.  What you couldn't see on TV was that Coach Scherer was constantly in conversation with the refs and often directed back to his bench by them during almost all of the first half.

Dennis Bridges did happen to stop near me at the end of the game to talk to a friend and made a comment I heard.  I don't have the exact words words he said, but he was impressed with Ashton Francis and wondered how Wheaton lost by so much to Millikin.

[Titan Q]

IWU will honor seniors Jaylen Beasley and Tyler Burdine tomorrow night.  Two first-class guys who will really be missed.

http://www.iwusports.com/news/2018/2/9/mens-basketball-titans-honor-seniors-host-carroll-saturday.aspx

http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/college/basketball/men/beasley-burdine-to-take-senior-night-bow/article_9b3b983c-4aa9-57b2-892a-1a9529e0cbf2.html

BLOOMINGTON — Most college basketball seniors say farewell to their coach of four years when their playing days are done.

For Illinois Wesleyan's Jaylen Beasley, it's 14.

"I've known the Rose family pretty much my entire life," said Beasley. "This will be a pretty emotional one. It's kind of the end of playing basketball with Brady and being coached by Coach Rose."

Beasley and Tyler Burdine will be honored in pregame ceremonies Saturday on Senior Night before IWU tries to hang on to first place in the College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin against Carroll in a 7 p.m. contest at Shirk Center.

"Jaylen is a young man I've actually coached 14 years starting when he and Brady played youth basketball at the YMCA and Game Time Gym," Wesleyan coach Ron Rose said. "He and I have a long history. It's been rewarding to see him grow and improve."

Beasley and Brady Rose starred together at Bloomington High School. While it was no surprise the younger Rose would play for his father, it was not such a certainty that Beasley would as well.

"We've been friends since second grade," said Beasley. "We just happened to end up at the same school for four years."

[Titan Q]

Rose was just 4 for 16 (none for 3 pts) in the Titans' recent loss to Augustana.

My take in Rock Island was that Rose got great looks throughout the game and just didn't shoot it well.

Against Wheaton I thought he had a hard time getting good looks.

[iwu70]

Warm congrats to the Titan seniors, Tyler Burdine and Jaylen Beasley, on their careers at IWU.  All best wishes for all future endeavors, post-IWU.  Thanks to you and your families for all the important contributions to the Titan successes and program.

IWU'70

[Titan Q]

#24-Illinois Wesleyan (16-5, 9-3) at Carroll (9-12, 5-7), 7pm...

#17-Illinois Wesleyan (16-5, 9-3)
G - Brady Rose, 6-3/185 Jr.  22.6 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 3.3 apg
G - Colin Bonnett, 6-4/190 Jr.  12.3 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 2.6 apg
G - Jason Gregoire, 6-4/195 Jr.  7.9 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 1.7 apg
F - Jaylen Beasley, 6-6/185 Sr.  6.0 ppg, 6.6 rpg
C - Alex O'Neill, 6-9/245 So.  8.1 ppg, 5.0 rpg

Carroll (9-12, 5-7)
G - Joel Heesch, 6-2/170 Sr.  11.7 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 4.0 apg
G - Nick Penny, 6-2/185 So.  6.7 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.8 apg
G - Tanner Zaeske, 6-3/190 Sr.  10.5 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 0.9 apg
F - Kale Maupin, 6-4/190 So.  4.4 ppg, 3.3 rpg
F - Tyler Ingebrightsen, 6-7/225 Jr.  10.0 ppg, 2.8 rpg


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