MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Titan Q]

Q-

Last night was one of the most (if not the most) embarrassing losses I have ever witnessed the Thunder take. Compounded by the fact that it was at home. However, I think it's hasty to write off this team as "inconsistent" after literally one loss, albeit a terrible loss at home. This was the first time this season a team was able to "slow down" Aston, and literally no one else showed up to play an actual basketball yesterday for the Thunder. They got punched in the mouth, hard, and did not respond even remotely close to as well as this team is capable of.

Did they lay an egg last night? Of course, but to write them off as inconsistent "just like last year" is not fair to this years team as of right now. We'll see what happens as the conference slate gets underway with a couple non-cons sprinkled in there over the next couple of weeks leading up to Thanksgiving. I generally agree with most of your assessments on here, but this one just feels too hasty for me. Who knows, maybe I'll end up agreeing with you later on if the Thunder end up dropping games left and right, but I am still confident in this team's ability even after 1 home loss. 

You could be right, I don't know.  I feel Greg could win this debate though.  I think he'd first bring out Webster's definition of "inconsistent" and establish that. Then I think he'd point out that playing well at a good LeTourneau team Nov 24, then get pasted by Chicago at home in the next game is "inconsistent."

But he knows more words than I do so I will just go back to WTF.

[Gregory Sager]

[iwu70]

The WC loss pretty shocking.  I guess I'm with Q on WTF!  But, "inconsistent" may play out over time.  Sure hope the IWU coaching staff is watching the tape, the defensive strategy on Francis, for IWU's upcoming game with WC. 

Let the conference games begin.

'70

[duckfan41]

Q-

Last night was one of the most (if not the most) embarrassing losses I have ever witnessed the Thunder take. Compounded by the fact that it was at home. However, I think it's hasty to write off this team as "inconsistent" after literally one loss, albeit a terrible loss at home. This was the first time this season a team was able to "slow down" Aston, and literally no one else showed up to play an actual basketball yesterday for the Thunder. They got punched in the mouth, hard, and did not respond even remotely close to as well as this team is capable of.

Did they lay an egg last night? Of course, but to write them off as inconsistent "just like last year" is not fair to this years team as of right now. We'll see what happens as the conference slate gets underway with a couple non-cons sprinkled in there over the next couple of weeks leading up to Thanksgiving. I generally agree with most of your assessments on here, but this one just feels too hasty for me. Who knows, maybe I'll end up agreeing with you later on if the Thunder end up dropping games left and right, but I am still confident in this team's ability even after 1 home loss. 

You could be right, I don't know.  I feel Greg could win this debate though.  I think he'd first bring out Webster's definition of "inconsistent" and establish that. Then I think he'd point out that playing well at a good LeTourneau team Nov 24, then get pasted by Chicago at home in the next game is "inconsistent."

But he knows more words than I do so I will just go back to WTF.

👍🏼

[AndOne]

A shockingly bad loss by Wheaton tonight. They were way off their game and Chicago played a very smart game. Chicago totally disrupted Wheaton's passing lanes and forced many turnovers. They also moved the ball well, which led to Wheaton players totally losing their man, leaving Chicago players wide open for easy shots.

And nobody on Wheaton could get going. It was clear after halftime that they were trying to feed Eichelberger in the post, but it wasn't enough to dig out of the hole they were in.

Much credit to Chicago for their game plan and play tonight. They had Wheaton's number from the opening tip and played disciplined ball.

I will also say the wildly inconsistent officiating didn't help Wheaton find a rhythm, either. A lot of late whistles tonight and phantom fouls. And good luck trying to determine what's a charge any more. The explanation I heard one ref give tonight was complete gobbledygook.

Wheaton opens up conference play at North Park on Saturday. Maybe tonight is the early season wake-up call they need to get their act together. Because Wheaton sure didn't look like a top 25 team tonight, by a long shot.

It's doubtful a that 30 point home loss can be attributed to inconsistent officiating. Possibly, as I discussed with a couple of WC fans last season, Spencer Peterson not firing up enough three balls I can believe.
Seriously though, given that one particular official, whose first name doesn't start with a D, was working the game, wildly inconsistent is about as good as you are likely to get. In my 14 years of closely watching CCIW basketball, I've observed that wildly inconsistent is about the best you can expect from him. On one play, he is likely to let drawing blood go without there being an infraction called while, on the next play, he'll whistle a foul for breathing to hard on the guy you're guarding. The game is gobbledygook to him, so any explanation is going to be wearing the same hat.

[GoPerry]

A shockingly bad loss by Wheaton tonight. They were way off their game and Chicago played a very smart game. Chicago totally disrupted Wheaton's passing lanes and forced many turnovers. They also moved the ball well, which led to Wheaton players totally losing their man, leaving Chicago players wide open for easy shots.

And nobody on Wheaton could get going. It was clear after halftime that they were trying to feed Eichelberger in the post, but it wasn't enough to dig out of the hole they were in.

Much credit to Chicago for their game plan and play tonight. They had Wheaton's number from the opening tip and played disciplined ball.

I will also say the wildly inconsistent officiating didn't help Wheaton find a rhythm, either. A lot of late whistles tonight and phantom fouls. And good luck trying to determine what's a charge any more. The explanation I heard one ref give tonight was complete gobbledygook.

Wheaton opens up conference play at North Park on Saturday. Maybe tonight is the early season wake-up call they need to get their act together. Because Wheaton sure didn't look like a top 25 team tonight, by a long shot.

It's doubtful a that 30 point home loss can be attributed to inconsistent officiating. Possibly, as I discussed with a couple of WC fans last season, Spencer Peterson not firing up enough three balls I can believe.
Seriously though, given that one particular official, whose first name doesn't start with a D, was working the game, wildly inconsistent is about as good as you are likely to get. In my 14 years of closely watching CCIW basketball, I've observed that wildly inconsistent is about the best you can expect from him. On one play, he is likely to let drawing blood go without there being an infraction called while, on the next play, he'll whistle a foul for breathing to hard on the guy you're guarding. The game is gobbledygook to him, so any explanation is going to be wearing the same hat.

Actually, the inconsistent officiating went both ways.  So in that sense it was consistent!  Definitely not the reason WC lost but certainly added to the frustration for the losing side fans.

[Titan Q]

Illinois Wesleyan (6-0) vs Carthage (3-3), 7pm...

Titans (6-0)
G - Brady Rose, 6-3/185 Sr.  23.7 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 3.7 apg
G - Colin Bonnett, 6-4/190 Sr.  10.2 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 3.8 apg
G - Jason Gregoire, 6-4/205 Sr.  11.2 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 2.8 apg
F - Charlie Bair, 6-7/205 So.  9.2 ppg, 8.2 rpg
C - Alex O'Neill, 6-9/245 Jr.  6.5 ppg, 6.5 rpg

Red Men (3-3)
G - Jordan Kedrowski, 6-3/190 Jr.  11.3 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 3.7 apg
G - Mike Canady, 5-11/180 Sr.  3.8 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 2.7 rpg
F - Preston Lakata, 6-5/235 Jr.  12.1 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 0.6 apg
F - Kienan Baltimore, 6-5/223 Jr.  20.5 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 5.0 apg
F - Sean Johnson, 6-10/205 So.  9.3 ppg, 6.8 rpg


Pantagraph - https://www.pantagraph.com/sports/college/basketball/men/no-iwu-opens-cciw-slate-against-carthage/article_3b5d7b82-5da1-5c61-a426-3455d08707dc.html

Video/Stats - https://portal.stretchinternet.com/iwu/

WEXG Radio - http://radio.securenetsystems.net/v5/WWHP

[Titan Q]

Too early for this data to matter, but a great page to bookmark -- https://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-regional-rankings.html.  Regional ranking data -- awesome to have as the season plays out.

This is done by Matt Snyder, aka KnightSlappy.  Great stuff.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

So is the big guy at Carthage just out?  Injured?  Not playing?  He was an underclassmen last year, right?  I'm not that bad on memory.

[duckfan41]

So is the big guy at Carthage just out?  Injured?  Not playing?  He was an underclassmen last year, right?  I'm not that bad on memory.

Perry is still listed on the roster (Junior). Last I heard is he had a knee injury of some kind that was going to sideline him until the end of December(ish) or something like that.

[crusader_nation]

A shockingly bad loss by Wheaton tonight. They were way off their game and Chicago played a very smart game. Chicago totally disrupted Wheaton's passing lanes and forced many turnovers. They also moved the ball well, which led to Wheaton players totally losing their man, leaving Chicago players wide open for easy shots.

And nobody on Wheaton could get going. It was clear after halftime that they were trying to feed Eichelberger in the post, but it wasn't enough to dig out of the hole they were in.

Much credit to Chicago for their game plan and play tonight. They had Wheaton's number from the opening tip and played disciplined ball.

I will also say the wildly inconsistent officiating didn't help Wheaton find a rhythm, either. A lot of late whistles tonight and phantom fouls. And good luck trying to determine what's a charge any more. The explanation I heard one ref give tonight was complete gobbledygook.

Wheaton opens up conference play at North Park on Saturday. Maybe tonight is the early season wake-up call they need to get their act together. Because Wheaton sure didn't look like a top 25 team tonight, by a long shot.

It's doubtful a that 30 point home loss can be attributed to inconsistent officiating. Possibly, as I discussed with a couple of WC fans last season, Spencer Peterson not firing up enough three balls I can believe.
Seriously though, given that one particular official, whose first name doesn't start with a D, was working the game, wildly inconsistent is about as good as you are likely to get. In my 14 years of closely watching CCIW basketball, I've observed that wildly inconsistent is about the best you can expect from him. On one play, he is likely to let drawing blood go without there being an infraction called while, on the next play, he'll whistle a foul for breathing to hard on the guy you're guarding. The game is gobbledygook to him, so any explanation is going to be wearing the same hat.

Actually, the inconsistent officiating went both ways.  So in that sense it was consistent!  Definitely not the reason WC lost but certainly added to the frustration for the losing side fans.

No doubt that the inconsistent officiating went both ways. And the officiating isn't why Wheaton lost. They lost because they were bad.

But my point was simply that when you're playing from behind, trying to get something going, and you can't make heads or tails of what's a charge, then you have no luck getting any momentum.

I never have high hopes for CCIW officiating, but it's frustrating to see it year after year. (Going on 23 years, for me.)

[mr_b]

The little engine that could: North Park 68, Wheaton 65

[iwu70]

Wow, congrats to NPU, over Wheaton. 

'70

[iwu70]

IWU and Carthage going to OT in Bloomington.  62 all in a very ugly one, after regulation.  Titans playing, shooting very poorly.

'70

[iwu70]

IWU wins in OT over CC 75-67.  An ugly one.  Lucky to come back after playing, shooting so poorly.  Played well in OT.  Rose surely injured.  More when I see the box score.

Hope to get that one out of the system.  But, a win is a win, to start the CCIW campaign.  But, that was pretty ugly. 

IWU'70