MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[WUPHF]

You deserve to get paid for your content... 

[voxelmhurst]

I may be wrong, but here is my take...

Wofford clearly exaggerates the hit.

He begins falling backwards and towards the sideline even before the contact with the leg.

I am not convinced that there was upper-body contact.  That would be noticeable given he momentum of the Elmhurst player.

I am a little less sure about the contact with the leg.  There may be some, but Wofford got the call because he sold the upper-body contact.

I am sure I am not alone in this.

Also, a bit of irony that for the first time ever, a coach gets in trouble for throwing his coat at Carver and it is not Coach Grey.

I watched it one last time. The baseline shot from local news hides the contact. The sideline view from the webcast shows contact from the knee up to the midsection. And there was position established by the defender, so as far as I'm concerned the refs were correct, even if upper body contact was embellished.

Lost in all this was another incredible performance from Rhode, who had 33 points on 9-14 (6-10 beyond the arc) shooting and 9-11 from the foul line. Some of the 3's he hit last night were from way beyond the arc and his ability to hit shots off the dribble is at a level that I've not seen from too many Elmhurst players over the years.

[GoPerry]

I may be wrong, but here is my take...

Wofford clearly exaggerates the hit.

He begins falling backwards and towards the sideline even before the contact with the leg.

I am not convinced that there was upper-body contact.  That would be noticeable given he momentum of the Elmhurst player.

I am a little less sure about the contact with the leg.  There may be some, but Wofford got the call because he sold the upper-body contact.

I am sure I am not alone in this.

Also, a bit of irony that for the first time ever, a coach gets in trouble for throwing his coat at Carver and it is not Coach Grey.

I watched it one last time. The baseline shot from local news hides the contact. The sideline view from the webcast shows contact from the knee up to the midsection. And there was position established by the defender, so as far as I'm concerned the refs were correct, even if upper body contact was embellished.

Lost in all this was another incredible performance from Rhode, who had 33 points on 9-14 (6-10 beyond the arc) shooting and 9-11 from the foul line. Some of the 3's he hit last night were from way beyond the arc and his ability to hit shots off the dribble is at a level that I've not seen from too many Elmhurst players over the years.

The video view has a lot of "flop" in it.  Martin had position but I think a no call would've been more appropriate.   Just my opinion.

[GoPerry]

The James Harden-esque tear that Aston Francis is on hearkens back to the days of Stevie D., although Francis is definitely more audacious in his scoring forays. Stevie D. always struck me as more methodical in his dissection in comparison to Francis' more unpredictable live wire.
It all has me re-evaluating where Francis ranks in terms of Wheaton's all-time greats. I didn't think I'd ever see a player better than Kent Raymond in the orange, and I still may not. But Francis is dam close, and if he had a full 4 years with the Thunder, could well have achieved it. Wheaton has had an enviable amount of great individuals come through in recent times (Raymond, Francis, McCrary, Peters, Panner, etc.) that any CCIW would be jealous of.
Where do we all think Francis fits in the Thunder's historical context? And in the CCIW's pantheon as well?

This was discussed on a recent Wheaton broadcast by Rusty Lindsey, Tim Martin and then Nate Frank.  None put Francis in their top 5 all time Wheaton best.  This was about 5-6 games ago, before the most recent piling on of scoring/rebounding stats.   All had Raymond. Fwiw.

[voxelmhurst]

I may be wrong, but here is my take...

Wofford clearly exaggerates the hit.

He begins falling backwards and towards the sideline even before the contact with the leg.

I am not convinced that there was upper-body contact.  That would be noticeable given he momentum of the Elmhurst player.

I am a little less sure about the contact with the leg.  There may be some, but Wofford got the call because he sold the upper-body contact.

I am sure I am not alone in this.

Also, a bit of irony that for the first time ever, a coach gets in trouble for throwing his coat at Carver and it is not Coach Grey.

I watched it one last time. The baseline shot from local news hides the contact. The sideline view from the webcast shows contact from the knee up to the midsection. And there was position established by the defender, so as far as I'm concerned the refs were correct, even if upper body contact was embellished.

Lost in all this was another incredible performance from Rhode, who had 33 points on 9-14 (6-10 beyond the arc) shooting and 9-11 from the foul line. Some of the 3's he hit last night were from way beyond the arc and his ability to hit shots off the dribble is at a level that I've not seen from too many Elmhurst players over the years.

The video view has a lot of "flop" in it.  Martin had position but I think a no call would've been more appropriate.   Just my opinion.

That's fair. I just don't see a blocking call, which is what Elmhurst needed since the shot didn't even hit rim. If the shot went in and was nullified by the charging call I'd of course have driven the 3 hours to Rock Island to throw my jacket as well.

There is a goodwill/charity opportunity with all this jacket tossing.

[WUPHF]

I feel a little better about the call watching from the live stream archive.  Lots of flop though...

[AndOne]

I feel a little better about the call watching from the live stream archive.  Lots of flop though...

That's what Augie fans call a knockdown. 

Anybody hear what kind of score Chief Judge Giovanine gave Baines for his coat toss? 🤔

[augiefan]

Usually the norm when the clock is running down in a close game is the refs swallow their whistles. A no call would have resulted in an Augie 1 point victory. Whatever the case Augie really lucked out to win this game, as they were behind most of the night at one point in the second half by 10 points. Ebel was again a big factor in the comeback.

Augie most likely has at least two conference losses in their future and one will almost certainly be at North Central. Wheaton also has had good success at Carver and with Francis they are capable of bearing any one.

It also should  be noted that Benning did not play last night due to a shoulder injury. His absence helped Elmhurst out rebound Augie. Not sure when he will be back, but I expect he will miss the game at Carroll.

Rohde was incredible. In many ways as scary for opponents as Francis. He should be the preseason candidate for MOP next year along with Raridon.

[duckfan41]

https://twitter.com/wheaton_thunder/status/1088524049968517121?s=21

This finish left me scratching my head as much as the one Sager explained in detail from the North Park game last weekend. How he makes these shots is beyond me, but I'm glad he does.

[AndOne]

Usually the norm when the clock is running down in a close game is the refs swallow their whistles. A no call would have resulted in an Augie 1 point victory. Whatever the case Augie really lucked out to win this game, as they were behind most of the night at one point in the second half by 10 points. Ebel was again a big factor in the comeback.

Augie most likely has at least two conference losses in their future and one will almost certainly be at North Central. Wheaton also has had good success at Carver and with Francis they are capable of bearing any one.

It also should  be noted that Benning did not play last night due to a shoulder injury. His absence helped Elmhurst out rebound Augie. Not sure when he will be back, but I expect he will miss the game at Carroll.

Rohde was incredible. In many ways as scary for opponents as Francis. He should be the preseason candidate for MOP next year along with Raridon.

Me hopes he is right, and me thinks its certainly possible. But me also thinks Professor Augiefan has begun the chapter on reverse psychology in his Psych 101 class. 😏

[AndOne]

I may be wrong, but here is my take...

Wofford clearly exaggerates the hit.

He begins falling backwards and towards the sideline even before the contact with the leg.

I am not convinced that there was upper-body contact.  That would be noticeable given he momentum of the Elmhurst player.

I am a little less sure about the contact with the leg.  There may be some, but Wofford got the call because he sold the upper-body contact.

I am sure I am not alone in this.

Also, a bit of irony that for the first time ever, a coach gets in trouble for throwing his coat at Carver and it is not Coach Grey.

I watched it one last time. The baseline shot from local news hides the contact. The sideline view from the webcast shows contact from the knee up to the midsection. And there was position established by the defender, so as far as I'm concerned the refs were correct, even if upper body contact was embellished.

Lost in all this was another incredible performance from Rhode, who had 33 points on 9-14 (6-10 beyond the arc) shooting and 9-11 from the foul line. Some of the 3's he hit last night were from way beyond the arc and his ability to hit shots off the dribble is at a level that I've not seen from too many Elmhurst players over the years.

The video view has a lot of "flop" in it.  Martin had position but I think a no call would've been more appropriate.   Just my opinion.

I know a couple of CCIW assistant coaches who would agree with you, GoPerry.

[lmitzel]

Video of Mike Pollack's game-winner last night.

[GoPerry]

https://twitter.com/wheaton_thunder/status/1088524049968517121?s=21

This finish left me scratching my head as much as the one Sager explained in detail from the North Park game last weekend. How he makes these shots is beyond me, but I'm glad he does.

Yeah.  That was a sick one.  The one at the 5 minute mark was a nice one too; feed from Petersen.

[AndOne]

Video of Mike Pollack's game-winner last night.

That shot was for the team and his teammates.
But, it was partially for the Millikin baseball team who, with virtually the whole gym available, choose to sit immediately behind the North Central bench and yell at the Cardinal players throughout the game, and especially to disrupt things and prevent the NCC coaches from being heard during timeouts.

They can be seen right behind the NCC bench in the video.
How'd that strategy turn out boys?      

[Gregory Sager]

Just watched the archived EC @ AC game in its entirety, with a few multiple looks at key points. And I'll say the same thing that I said last night:

Augie somehow keeps dancing with the devil without getting burned.

With three minutes remaining in the first half, Augustana Coach Giovanine was calmly removing his coat, with his back to the officials while slowly walking in the  opposite direction.  One of the referees called technical foul and Elmhurst connected for four free throws.  Apparently the official took offense.  For much of the game it appeared that questionable call might be decisive.  Tonight's officials were clearly coat-averse.

Steve, you and I have different interpretations of the word "calmly" -- at least within the context of that tech call at 2:35 of the first half. I watched it several times. Giovanine barked at the ref who called a foul on Austin Elledge while he was defending Jake Rhode in the act of shooting (and missing) a trey, a call that Giovanine felt was induced by Rhode kicking out on his follow-through (the foul call was actually legit, kick notwithstanding). When he was done speaking his piece (complete with his own kicking to illustrate his point), Giovanine stalked away from the refs and took off his coat while clearly muttering something. What he was muttering could have been, and I'd say very likely was, the cause of the technical, rather than his doffing of his sportscoat. As was the case with Clarence Rak in the crackerbox last night, I think that this was a case of a technical being called by a rabbit-eared ref.

Chris and Dan on the broadcast called it a "weak technical," but I think that they were buying into Giovanine's case when he, after belatedly realizing that he'd just been handed a T-bone, ran at the refs at the table while screaming, "You can't give me a f***ing technical for taking off my jacket!" (It was so loud that it was clearly audible on the broadcast.) If it had been for the coat-doffing ... sure, that'd be weak. But, as I said, I think that he got it for whatever he was muttering when he walked away.

(The refs, incidentally, showed great restraint as Grey went off in the ear of one of them for a good 15-20 seconds after the call.)

As for the call being potentially decisive, there was actually a blown call by the refs at the end of the half that went Augie's way. Elledge was trying to make an open-floor layup as the half came to an end, and it appeared that he did not get the (missed) shot off in time. But the officials called a hacking foul on Jamie Ireland, who was trying to block the shot. The scoreboard controller was not in sync, because the buzzer went off with 0.5 still left on the clock. But, after viewing it several times, it's clear to me that Elledge still had the ball in his hand, and that Ireland hadn't closed his swipe at the ball, when the backboard lit up. The refs conferred and put 0.3 left on the clock when they should've simply waved off the foul call and sent the teams to their respective locker rooms. Elledge ended up hitting two free throws that gave Augie two extra points it shouldn't have had.