MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[AndOne]

So what's more important SOS or winning %?

https://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2018-19/marathon

6:29:45

Sam Atkinson, D3 Men's National Committee Chair

An experienced investigator would have found this even a retired old fart investigator

Ah, grasshopper. One of the principles of good investigative technique is to conserve time and energy by letting outside sources gather and provide the information you seek. 

A better description of Mr Ypsi

So what's more important SOS or winning %?

https://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2018-19/marathon

6:29:45

Sam Atkinson, D3 Men's National Committee Chair

An experienced investigator would have found this even a retired old fart investigator

Ah, grasshopper. One of the principles of good investigative technique is to conserve time and energy by letting outside sources gather and provide the information you seek. 

AndOne has ypsi'd Titan Q.

[AndOne]

Drew Pasteur, aka Fantastic50 here, tweeted some projected regional rankings.  For the Central he has...

1. Augustana
2. UW-Oshkosh
3. UW-La Crosse
4. North Central
5. UW-Whitewater
6. UW-Stevens Point
7. Wheaton
8. Wash U

By the way, if you are Twitter you should follow him at @d3bubble.  Great stuff.

Matt Snyder, aka KnightSlappy, has...

1. Augustana
2. UW-Oshkosh
3. UW-La Crosse
4. UW-Stevens Point
5. North Central
6. Wheaton
7. UW-Platteville
8. UW-Whitewater

https://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-regional-rankings.html

1. UW-Oshkosh
2. Augustana
3. North Central
4. UW-LaCrosse
5. UW-Stevens Point
6. Wheaton
7. UW-Platteville
8. UW-Whitewater

🔮 💡  😏

[augie77]

https://qconline.com/sports/college/augustana/perseverance-pays-off-as-pierson-returns-better-than-ever/article_1daa812b-98d8-5fc1-977d-b9a13001d843.html?fbclid=IwAR1r-XpyE-iLyhbA-9IviooT0gSOIn3HTsbBte7lVbwJJcqBumtTBbJyHZ0#anchor_item_2

Here's a nice article the career of Pierson Wofford.  This confirms that he'll be back for another year.

[Gregory Sager]

Drew Pasteur, aka Fantastic50 here, tweeted some projected regional rankings.  For the Central he has...

1. Augustana
2. UW-Oshkosh
3. UW-La Crosse
4. North Central
5. UW-Whitewater
6. UW-Stevens Point
7. Wheaton
8. Wash U

By the way, if you are Twitter you should follow him at @d3bubble.  Great stuff.

Matt Snyder, aka KnightSlappy, has...

1. Augustana
2. UW-Oshkosh
3. UW-La Crosse
4. UW-Stevens Point
5. North Central
6. Wheaton
7. UW-Platteville
8. UW-Whitewater

https://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-regional-rankings.html

1. UW-Oshkosh
2. Augustana
3. North Central
4. UW-LaCrosse
5. UW-Stevens Point
6. Wheaton
7. UW-Platteville
8. UW-Whitewater

🔮 💡  😏

UW-Platteville lost again last night, Mark, so at this point I doubt that the Pioneers (13-8) are going to make it into the Central Region rankings tomorrow. Look for Wash U to fill that final spot, as Drew surmised.

I think it's possible that North Central could be #3, but I wouldn't bank on it if I were you. The Cardinals continue to have a super-low SOS, and even with the SOS/win% comparison formula having been abandoned by the regional and national committees, I doubt that the Central Region committee will reward a team that has played such an indifferent schedule to date. (UW-Oshkosh has a surprisingly unimpressive SOS as well, but the Titans have the virtue of a win% that's a hundred points better than NCC's, plus UWO has a common-opponents advantage over NCC.)

Fortunately for your Cardinals, they will have the opportunity to rectify such matters themselves over the next four days by hosting Illinois Wesleyan and Wheaton.

[Gregory Sager]

Man bites dog! Somebody other than Aston Francis won the POTW award yesterday!

[GoPerry]

Man bites dog! Somebody other than Aston Francis won the POTW award yesterday!

Yeah seriously . . about time.  Was bordering slightly silly.

[mwunder]

But, they were supposed to be good this year, based on experience and transfers coming in, and we can see how that went.

In all likelihood, they are going to miss the conference tourney again this year, even with an expanded field.  That means they have only qualified for it three times in the fourteen years.   This is not acceptable, in my opinion. 

K-Mark.  Your second point, I agree with you 100%.  Unacceptable, but Carthage, Kenohsa and 40K per year is a tough sell for any coach. 

The first comment, I disagree with 100%.  At the beginning of the season, they only had two players who played any significant minutes in the CCIW the previous season, Perry and Baltimore, who was second team CCIW.  Everyone else was a wildcard.  They were picked to finish tied for 6th in the league by the coaches and Perry hasn't played a minute so I can see why they didn't achieve that position.  The fact that they can't find a way to win a close one can be attributed to a lot of factors including experience and coaching. 

The end of the IWU game is a microcosm of the Carthage season.  Put yourself into position to win and then free-lance.  No one set a screen for Baltimore to get open and then it's Chinese fire drill after that.  Both inexperience and coaching are to blame.  Just not sure which deserves more of that blame.  Same thing at the end of the Augie game.

[thunder38]

Wheaton has two games this week that should help clear up the conference hosting.  On the 6th they play Augie and the 9th NC.  If they loses either game they are out. If Augie wins and NC wins Augie will host if tied and if Wheaton is in third by themselves Rule 3 (Augie 2-0 NC 1-1).  If Wheaton beats Augie, and loses to NC then too many possibilities.  So watch these two games this week and perhaps we know where the tournament will be.  If I goofed please let me know.

If Wheaton beats Augie but loses at NC then NC would host due to having the tiebreaker of a season sweep over Wheaton. Which of course assumes the Cardinals don't drop another game. They have the toughest four-game finish to the season in the conference.

[thunder38]

Drew Pasteur, aka Fantastic50 here, tweeted some projected regional rankings.  For the Central he has...

1. Augustana
2. UW-Oshkosh
3. UW-La Crosse
4. North Central
5. UW-Whitewater
6. UW-Stevens Point
7. Wheaton
8. Wash U

By the way, if you are Twitter you should follow him at @d3bubble.  Great stuff.

Matt Snyder, aka KnightSlappy, has...

1. Augustana
2. UW-Oshkosh
3. UW-La Crosse
4. UW-Stevens Point
5. North Central
6. Wheaton
7. UW-Platteville
8. UW-Whitewater

https://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-regional-rankings.html

1. UW-Oshkosh
2. Augustana
3. North Central
4. UW-LaCrosse
5. UW-Stevens Point
6. Wheaton
7. UW-Platteville
8. UW-Whitewater

🔮 💡  😏

UW-Platteville lost again last night, Mark, so at this point I doubt that the Pioneers (13-8) are going to make it into the Central Region rankings tomorrow. Look for Wash U to fill that final spot, as Drew surmised.

I think it's possible that North Central could be #3, but I wouldn't bank on it if I were you. The Cardinals continue to have a super-low SOS, and even with the SOS/win% comparison formula having been abandoned by the regional and national committees, I doubt that the Central Region committee will reward a team that has played such an indifferent schedule to date. (UW-Oshkosh has a surprisingly unimpressive SOS as well, but the Titans have the virtue of a win% that's a hundred points better than NCC's, plus UWO has a common-opponents advantage over NCC.)

Fortunately for your Cardinals, they will have the opportunity to rectify such matters themselves over the next four days by hosting Illinois Wesleyan and Wheaton.

It's possible Wheaton may be higher than expected given their strength of schedule and common opponent advantages over  La Crosse (loss to Elmhurst, Ripon, Oshkosh, Platteville) and Stevens Point (Oshkosh, Platteville). Wheaton's SOS will get a significant bump this week with road games at Augie and NCC. If Wheaton can win one of those two, it could boost them to 4th and if they get both, maybe even third due to NCC's weak SOS.

[AndOne]

Drew Pasteur, aka Fantastic50 here, tweeted some projected regional rankings.  For the Central he has...

1. Augustana
2. UW-Oshkosh
3. UW-La Crosse
4. North Central
5. UW-Whitewater
6. UW-Stevens Point
7. Wheaton
8. Wash U

By the way, if you are Twitter you should follow him at @d3bubble.  Great stuff.

Matt Snyder, aka KnightSlappy, has...

1. Augustana
2. UW-Oshkosh
3. UW-La Crosse
4. UW-Stevens Point
5. North Central
6. Wheaton
7. UW-Platteville
8. UW-Whitewater

https://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-regional-rankings.html

1. UW-Oshkosh
2. Augustana
3. North Central
4. UW-LaCrosse
5. UW-Stevens Point
6. Wheaton
7. UW-Platteville
8. UW-Whitewater

🔮 💡  😏

UW-Platteville lost again last night, Mark, so at this point I doubt that the Pioneers (13-8) are going to make it into the Central Region rankings tomorrow. Look for Wash U to fill that final spot, as Drew surmised.

I think it's possible that North Central could be #3, but I wouldn't bank on it if I were you. The Cardinals continue to have a super-low SOS, and even with the SOS/win% comparison formula having been abandoned by the regional and national committees, I doubt that the Central Region committee will reward a team that has played such an indifferent schedule to date. (UW-Oshkosh has a surprisingly unimpressive SOS as well, but the Titans have the virtue of a win% that's a hundred points better than NCC's, plus UWO has a common-opponents advantage over NCC.)

Fortunately for your Cardinals, they will have the opportunity to rectify such matters themselves over the next four days by hosting Illinois Wesleyan and Wheaton.

Obviously with Platteville's loss last night, their opportunity to appear in the Regional Rankings was eliminated. I missed noticing that loss so my bad on that one. And, no, I'm not banking on NCC's being slotted in the 3rd spot, but with what they've overcome and accomplished so far this season, especially their record so far in the rather tough CCIW, hopeful would be an accurate expression. I don't believe anyone besides the players, coaches, families, and a few fans expected the Cardinals to be where they are. Remember, they were picked 4th in the pre-season conference poll, and that was with the expectation that two senior starters would not be lost by their 11th game. Not that any opponents are going to cry for the Cardinals, but if you're honest, you do have to admit they have so far exceeded most people's expectations.

Going forward, NCC has two extremely tough games coming in just the next four days. The games against IWU (find me a better 8 loss team), and Francis, err Wheaton, will be akin to medieval blood and guts battles with the outcome possibly hinging on almost every play. With the energy the Cardinals relatively small rotation has expended recently, I hope they have enough gas left in the tank to fight good fights in their remaining battles. Knowing the Cardinals cast well, I'm cautiously optimistic that the do. And, should they fare well vs. IWU and Wheaton, they certainly can't look forward to facing slouches in Carthage and Elmhurst to close the season. Ah, life in the CCIW!

Anybody else have any ideas how the Regional Rankings will shake out?

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Just to be clear ... any results past Sunday aren't considered for this week's Regional Rankings. That is true every week. The Regional Rankings are based on the results through the previous Sunday's games. The rest of the week will go towards the next week's Regional Rankings.

[AndOne]

So it seems possible UW-P might still make an appearance tomorrow.
Good point, Dave.

[AndOne]

Man bites dog! Somebody other than Aston Francis won the POTW award yesterday!

That man, Matt Cappelletti, has been biting opponents all season. Beyond the For Sure Six, Capp can make as strong of an argument for inclusion on the First Team All CCIW squad as anyone;

* 10th in Scoring at 13.8 PPG
* 1st (tied) in Rebounding at 8.2 RPG
* 7th in 3 point FG Made with 2.08 PG
* 4th (tied) in Offensive Rebounds with 25 (2.08 PG)
* 2nd in Defensive Rebounds with 73 (6.08 PG)

[GoPerry]

It is certainly not common for NCC fans to ever cheer on their close rivals 20 minutes to the north.  But something tells me such fans will be quietly (or maybe even loudly) cheering for the Wheaton Thunder as they travel to Rock Island tomorrow?  We'll need it.  Wheaton will have to call upon any and all good vibe from last year's win at Carver when Francis went for 40.  It's not outside the realm of possibility but only if everyone plays at the top of their game.

[lmitzel]

It is certainly not common for NCC fans to ever cheer on their close rivals 20 minutes to the north.  But something tells me such fans will be quietly (or maybe even loudly) cheering for the Wheaton Thunder as they travel to Rock Island tomorrow?  We'll need it.  Wheaton will have to call upon any and all good vibe from last year's win at Carver when Francis went for 40.  It's not outside the realm of possibility but only if everyone plays at the top of their game.

Oh, it's the out of town game I'll have my eye closest on. Might even have to do more than just the halftime and end of game scoreboard updates on that one. As sick as it makes me... yeah, I'm pulling for the Thunder tomorrow.