MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Titan Q]

National Championships
Coach Stein = 1
Coach G = 0

[Gregory Sager]

Speaking of which, he also pointed out something I hadn't considered -- as of January 1 next season, he will have been a part of CCIW men's basketball in seven different decades, 1960s into the 2020s. That's pretty impressive, and I'm sure that he's going to point out to Dennis Bridges on the golf course this summer that that's now two more decades than Bridges was around for.

I guess Dennie should counter with his efficiency.

CCIW Wins
* Dennie = 421
* Bosko = 298

Bosko's always got the trump card:
* Bosko = 5
* Dennie = 1

We are counting assistant coach titles?

Rings.

Otherwise, it's 2-1.

[Titan Q]

Speaking of which, he also pointed out something I hadn't considered -- as of January 1 next season, he will have been a part of CCIW men's basketball in seven different decades, 1960s into the 2020s. That's pretty impressive, and I'm sure that he's going to point out to Dennis Bridges on the golf course this summer that that's now two more decades than Bridges was around for.

I guess Dennie should counter with his efficiency.

CCIW Wins
* Dennie = 421
* Bosko = 298

Bosko's always got the trump card:
* Bosko = 5
* Dennie = 1

We are counting assistant coach titles?

Rings.

OK cool, so most importantly, my Coach Stein vs Coach G stat stays.

And then if I am Dennie I counter with...

CCIW titles
Dennie = 17
Bosko = 7

[Gregory Sager]

Speaking of which, he also pointed out something I hadn't considered -- as of January 1 next season, he will have been a part of CCIW men's basketball in seven different decades, 1960s into the 2020s. That's pretty impressive, and I'm sure that he's going to point out to Dennis Bridges on the golf course this summer that that's now two more decades than Bridges was around for.

I guess Dennie should counter with his efficiency.

CCIW Wins
* Dennie = 421
* Bosko = 298

Bosko's always got the trump card:
* Bosko = 5
* Dennie = 1

We are counting assistant coach titles?

Rings.

OK cool, so most importantly, my Coach Stein vs Coach G stat stays.

That's a reach if you're talking about assistant coaches. You're comparing a part-timer who was moonlighting from his insurance job to a full-timer who was out there getting Dan McCarrell his players as NPC's main recruiter. If you want to compare Steinbrueck to someone:

Steinbrueck = Keith McDonald

Mac was a full-time CPS teacher who moonlighted as an assistant to first McCarrell and then Bosko. That's Steinbrueck's counterpart, not Bosko.

And then if I am Dennie I counter with...

CCIW titles
Dennie = 17
Bosko = 7

And if I'm Bosko I reply with, "Why are you bothering to count how many times you've been to the scenic overlook when the whole point of mountaineering is to reach the summit?"

[AndOne]

Behold the power of the media.

I have the sound on the AC @ CC game, because the MU students calling the NPU @ MU game are unlistenable.

Not more than two minutes ago, Carthage PBP broadcaster John Weiser called out AndOne (although not by his handle; he referred to him as "a chatster on the CCIW message board") for his comments here the other day about Bosko being disengaged on the bench Wednesday night. After raking Mark over the coals for a few moments, he came back to him about fifteen seconds later and said, "... and I know that that chatster is listening to this game tonight."

Excuse my French, but this post is a perfect illustration of just how full of s**t some people are. Particularly those who fancy themselves as advanced degree clinical psychologists who delude themselves into believing they have the ability to predict what others are thinking and/or doing when, in reality, they have absolutely no clue.

With his inane comments Weiser is doing nothing more than ignorantly denying reality. Anyone but Weiser who was in attendance at the Carthage/NCC game Wed night could readily see both that Bosko's team appeared to just be playing out the string, and Bosko himself was about as engaged in the game as were the girls working at the concession stand. Such was very evident and commented on by the majority of the NCC fans, players, and staff who actually attended the game. I thought this was an interesting facet of the game and reported it as such. However, I was by no means the only one who felt what I posted was an accurate description. If, for whatever reason you doubt it, ask anyone else who was there.

Also, remember that Weiser is the Carthage PBP broadcaster. His loyalty is to Carthage. Furthermore, he is very likely a friend of Bosko's. Ask yourself what he is naturally going to say under those circumstances. No way he is going to allow any form of criticism of either Bosko or anything Carthage to go without comment no matter how factual that criticism might be.

By, as Dr. Sager suggests, "calling me out" or "raking me over the coals," John Weiser is doing nothing more than denying reality, and demonstrating his ignorance. I gave an accurate description of the proceedings. Many people would back me up. With his allegiance to Carthage and Bosko, Weiser is naturally going to object. But his unwillingness to accept reality is his problem. Bosko's team played without much urgency, enthusiasm, or spirit, and Bosko sat rather idly by, mostly detached, and seemingly resigned to defeat. That's reality John. Deal with it.

Lastly, as a final indication of Weiser's false sense of hubris, Sager reported that after making his initial comments Weiser came back to (me) in about 15 seconds and said "..... and I know that that chatster is listening to this game tonight." Well John, I've got news for you. After getting home from the Elmhurst game and having dinner, I spent the evening watching the Blackhawks game and then the news. Never, even for a second, considered watching your 8th place team.

[Gregory Sager]

Behold the power of the media.

I have the sound on the AC @ CC game, because the MU students calling the NPU @ MU game are unlistenable.

Not more than two minutes ago, Carthage PBP broadcaster John Weiser called out AndOne (although not by his handle; he referred to him as "a chatster on the CCIW message board") for his comments here the other day about Bosko being disengaged on the bench Wednesday night. After raking Mark over the coals for a few moments, he came back to him about fifteen seconds later and said, "... and I know that that chatster is listening to this game tonight."

Excuse my French, but this post is a perfect illustration of just how full of s**t some people are. Particularly those who fancy themselves as advanced degree clinical psychologists who delude themselves into believing they have the ability to predict what others are thinking and/or doing when, in reality, they have absolutely no clue.

With his inane comments Weiser is doing nothing more than ignorantly denying reality. Anyone but Weiser who was in attendance at the Carthage/NCC game Wed night could readily see both that Bosko's team appeared to just be playing out the string, and Bosko himself was about as engaged in the game as were the girls working at the concession stand. Such was very evident and commented on by the majority of the NCC fans, players, and staff who actually attended the game. I thought this was an interesting facet of the game and reported it as such. However, I was by no means the only one who felt what I posted was an accurate description. If, for whatever reason you doubt it, ask anyone else who was there.

Also, remember that Weiser is the Carthage PBP broadcaster. His loyalty is to Carthage. Furthermore, he is very likely a friend of Bosko's. Ask yourself what he is naturally going to say under those circumstances. No way he is going to allow any form of criticism of either Bosko or anything Carthage to go without comment no matter how factual that criticism might be.

By, as Dr. Sager suggests, "calling me out" or "raking me over the coals," John Weiser is doing nothing more than denying reality, and demonstrating his ignorance. I gave an accurate description of the proceedings. Many people would back me up. With his allegiance to Carthage and Bosko, Weiser is naturally going to object. But his unwillingness to accept reality is his problem. Bosko's team played without much urgency, enthusiasm, or spirit, and Bosko sat rather idly by, mostly detached, and seemingly resigned to defeat. That's reality John. Deal with it.

Lastly, as a final indication of Weiser's false sense of hubris, Sager reported that after making his initial comments Weiser came back to (me) in about 15 seconds and said "..... and I know that that chatster is listening to this game tonight." Well John, I've got news for you. After getting home from the Elmhurst game and having dinner, I spent the evening watching the Blackhawks game and then the news. Never, even for a second, considered watching your 8th place team.

For the record, I didn't watch the NCC vs. CC game on Wednesday, as I was working my own game. Nor do I particularly care how engaged or disengaged Bosko was that night. None of this is any skin off of my nose. I brought it up because, after 21 years of this board's existence, this is the first time that a specific post made here has ever been mentioned on the air of a game broadcast (at least, as far as I know). That makes it a pretty significant event. And, yeah, the vehemence with which John went after you was pretty remarkable, too. (Of course, I never had the slightest doubt that you'd give it right back to him with both barrels. )

Not more than two minutes ago, Carthage PBP broadcaster John Weiser called out AndOne (although not by his handle; he referred to him as "a chatster on the CCIW message board") for his comments here the other day about Bosko being disengaged on the bench Wednesday night. After raking Mark over the coals for a few moments, he came back to him about fifteen seconds later and said, "... and I know that that chatster is listening to this game tonight."

The great thing is that since NCC won today, we know AndOne will post tonight.  So we'll get to see what he says.  (Had NCC lost we'd have to wait a while.)

Well, Bob, you were right ... although, ironically, he didn't even mention NCC's win tonight.

[iwumichigander]

Behold the power of the media.

I have the sound on the AC @ CC game, because the MU students calling the NPU @ MU game are unlistenable.

Not more than two minutes ago, Carthage PBP broadcaster John Weiser called out AndOne (although not by his handle; he referred to him as "a chatster on the CCIW message board") for his comments here the other day about Bosko being disengaged on the bench Wednesday night. After raking Mark over the coals for a few moments, he came back to him about fifteen seconds later and said, "... and I know that that chatster is listening to this game tonight."

Excuse my French, but this post is a perfect illustration of just how full of s**t some people are. Particularly those who fancy themselves as advanced degree clinical psychologists who delude themselves into believing they have the ability to predict what others are thinking and/or doing when, in reality, they have absolutely no clue.

With his inane comments Weiser is doing nothing more than ignorantly denying reality. Anyone but Weiser who was in attendance at the Carthage/NCC game Wed night could readily see both that Bosko's team appeared to just be playing out the string, and Bosko himself was about as engaged in the game as were the girls working at the concession stand. Such was very evident and commented on by the majority of the NCC fans, players, and staff who actually attended the game. I thought this was an interesting facet of the game and reported it as such. However, I was by no means the only one who felt what I posted was an accurate description. If, for whatever reason you doubt it, ask anyone else who was there.

Also, remember that Weiser is the Carthage PBP broadcaster. His loyalty is to Carthage. Furthermore, he is very likely a friend of Bosko's. Ask yourself what he is naturally going to say under those circumstances. No way he is going to allow any form of criticism of either Bosko or anything Carthage to go without comment no matter how factual that criticism might be.

By, as Dr. Sager suggests, "calling me out" or "raking me over the coals," John Weiser is doing nothing more than denying reality, and demonstrating his ignorance. I gave an accurate description of the proceedings. Many people would back me up. With his allegiance to Carthage and Bosko, Weiser is naturally going to object. But his unwillingness to accept reality is his problem. Bosko's team played without much urgency, enthusiasm, or spirit, and Bosko sat rather idly by, mostly detached, and seemingly resigned to defeat. That's reality John. Deal with it.

Lastly, as a final indication of Weiser's false sense of hubris, Sager reported that after making his initial comments Weiser came back to (me) in about 15 seconds and said "..... and I know that that chatster is listening to this game tonight." Well John, I've got news for you. After getting home from the Elmhurst game and having dinner, I spent the evening watching the Blackhawks game and then the news. Never, even for a second, considered watching your 8th place team.

Excuse my Swedish, but Sager was relaying, in paraphrase, what he heard and offered no opinion IMHO. You are killing the messenger here.

As far as Bosko, what the heck did you and your cohorts expect?  Did you expect Bosko to turn purple, jump up and down, rip off his sports coat while ranting and raving?  Did you expect him to ride the officials as other coaches tend to do? How does one determine a coach is not engaged in a game? 

Any guy who coaches wearing green framed glasses (if only they had green tinted lenses:) or white frames that can laugh and joke with the other team's fans is comfortable in their own skin and one who gets the most out of the players he has.

[voxelmhurst]

Ability to pull off the Pink Shirt:

Bosko 1
Every Other CCIW Head Coach Ever 0

[iwumichigander]

Bob might be right Greg but still 15 minutes left

[AndOne]

Behold the power of the media.

I have the sound on the AC @ CC game, because the MU students calling the NPU @ MU game are unlistenable.

Not more than two minutes ago, Carthage PBP broadcaster John Weiser called out AndOne (although not by his handle; he referred to him as "a chatster on the CCIW message board") for his comments here the other day about Bosko being disengaged on the bench Wednesday night. After raking Mark over the coals for a few moments, he came back to him about fifteen seconds later and said, "... and I know that that chatster is listening to this game tonight."

Excuse my French, but this post is a perfect illustration of just how full of s**t some people are. Particularly those who fancy themselves as advanced degree clinical psychologists who delude themselves into believing they have the ability to predict what others are thinking and/or doing when, in reality, they have absolutely no clue.

With his inane comments Weiser is doing nothing more than ignorantly denying reality. Anyone but Weiser who was in attendance at the Carthage/NCC game Wed night could readily see both that Bosko's team appeared to just be playing out the string, and Bosko himself was about as engaged in the game as were the girls working at the concession stand. Such was very evident and commented on by the majority of the NCC fans, players, and staff who actually attended the game. I thought this was an interesting facet of the game and reported it as such. However, I was by no means the only one who felt what I posted was an accurate description. If, for whatever reason you doubt it, ask anyone else who was there.

Also, remember that Weiser is the Carthage PBP broadcaster. His loyalty is to Carthage. Furthermore, he is very likely a friend of Bosko's. Ask yourself what he is naturally going to say under those circumstances. No way he is going to allow any form of criticism of either Bosko or anything Carthage to go without comment no matter how factual that criticism might be.

By, as Dr. Sager suggests, "calling me out" or "raking me over the coals," John Weiser is doing nothing more than denying reality, and demonstrating his ignorance. I gave an accurate description of the proceedings. Many people would back me up. With his allegiance to Carthage and Bosko, Weiser is naturally going to object. But his unwillingness to accept reality is his problem. Bosko's team played without much urgency, enthusiasm, or spirit, and Bosko sat rather idly by, mostly detached, and seemingly resigned to defeat. That's reality John. Deal with it.

Lastly, as a final indication of Weiser's false sense of hubris, Sager reported that after making his initial comments Weiser came back to (me) in about 15 seconds and said "..... and I know that that chatster is listening to this game tonight." Well John, I've got news for you. After getting home from the Elmhurst game and having dinner, I spent the evening watching the Blackhawks game and then the news. Never, even for a second, considered watching your 8th place team.

Excuse my Swedish, but Sager was relaying, in paraphrase, what he heard and offered no opinion IMHO. You are killing the messenger here.

As far as Bosko, what the heck did you and your cohorts expect?  Did you expect Bosko to turn purple, jump up and down, rip off his sports coat while ranting and raving?  Did you expect him to ride the officials as other coaches tend to do? How does one determine a coach is not engaged in a game? 

Any guy who coaches wearing green framed glasses (if only they had green tinted lenses:) or white frames that can laugh and joke with the other team's fans is comfortable in their own skin and one who gets the most out of the players he has.

Iwumichigander,

With regard to your comment about killing the messenger, please remember that's exactly what happened to me. I was the messenger who merely reported the observations/opinion of many of the people, fans, players, and staff included, who were actually AT the game. I was just the reporter/messenger. Yet I was villified for acting as such.

As to your question as to what I expected Bosko to do, I expected him to COACH. Not to be more of an observer than a participant. That's all. 

[Gregory Sager]

Any guy who coaches wearing green framed glasses (if only they had green tinted lenses:) or white frames that can laugh and joke with the other team's fans is comfortable in their own skin and one who gets the most out of the players he has.

He was wearing his boring black frames tonight. I think that black frames constitutes a "disengaged" night for the Serbian Prince.

Honestly, I think that Bosko's exotically-colored eyeglass frames are right up there with Jerry Tarkanian's towel-chewing, Pat Riley's thousand-dollar Armani suits, and John Thompson's towel-draping as a coaching trademark. Too bad that they didn't invent those eyewear styles earlier in his career. After all, there's probably plenty of other coaches at northern-based schools who sport suntans in the middle of winter.

Ability to pull off the Pink Shirt:

Bosko 1
Every Other CCIW Head Coach Ever 0

LOL!

[AndOne]

Not more than two minutes ago, Carthage PBP broadcaster John Weiser called out AndOne (although not by his handle; he referred to him as "a chatster on the CCIW message board") for his comments here the other day about Bosko being disengaged on the bench Wednesday night. After raking Mark over the coals for a few moments, he came back to him about fifteen seconds later and said, "... and I know that that chatster is listening to this game tonight."

The great thing is that since NCC won today, we know AndOne will post tonight.  So we'll get to see what he says.  (Had NCC lost we'd have to wait a while.)

Dear Bob,

Evidentially you, among others, are upset over the fact that after Wheaton and Wesleyan beat North Central recently, I didn't immediately take to the board to heap praise upon them. Perhaps an explanation will smooth your ruffled feathers a bit. Perhaps not. At any rate, FWIW................

Re Wheaton — I really didn't comment almost purposely. I was stunned at Aston's performance. Almost like I saw it, but I still couldn't believe it. Stunning.
If I would have said anything my post would likely have hardly been noticeable due to brevity.
Something like Aston Francis....beyond astonishing. 🏆

Re Wesleyan —- Shortly after arriving home that evening my wife had an adverse reaction to a new anti kidney transplant rejection med that her doc had started her on that afternoon. An immediate trip to the Edward Hospital ER was required. After about 9 hours at Edward, things were fortunately able to be stabilized, and her blood test/creatin levels returned to being within normal limits. After getting home we both zonked out for several hours, and for the remainder of the next day (Thurs) and night we just monitored her condition. By Friday, whatever happened prior to late Wed night seemed unimportant.

You may have forgotten that when I do report on games, especially those on Sat, I usually don't do so until the next day. I know you're probably immeasurably anxious for a report on last night's NCC @ EC game so I'll endeavor to provide that later today. 😊

[Titan Q]

That's a reach if you're talking about assistant coaches. You're comparing a part-timer who was moonlighting from his insurance job to a full-timer who was out there getting Dan McCarrell his players as NPC's main recruiter. If you want to compare Steinbrueck to someone:

Steinbrueck = Keith McDonald

Mac was a full-time CPS teacher who moonlighted as an assistant to first McCarrell and then Bosko. That's Steinbrueck's counterpart, not Bosko.

Full-time assistants count, got it.  So...

CCIW Titles
Tom Jessee = 9
Bosko = 7

[Titan Q]

Dear Bob,

Evidentially you, among others, are upset over the fact that after Wheaton and Wesleyan beat North Central recently, I didn't immediately take to the board to heap praise upon them.

Not at all.

My thoughts are captured below better than I could ever write them...

AndOne-

You are probably correct in pointing out that I do tend to just lob a shot your way then disappear for awhile.  There is no vendetta against you.  But, I owe you an explanation and a reasoned well thought out post as to why I do disagree with a lot of your posts, and comment accordingly.  I guess it's posts like the one I quoted that bother me.  I fully respect your passion and dedication to your NCC Cardinals and your knowledge of basketball in general.  It is very impressive on all fronts.  But, I lurk quite a bit on these boards, and I think I have developed a pretty good sense of different posters and their contributions.  It seems like quite a bit of the other posters (Greg, Q, and the few Wheaton, Elmhurst and Augie guys are mostly who I'm referring to) seem to always provide fair, critiqued and nuanced insight into their teams, and will always point out and bring up the bad with the good.  I believe Greg and Q seem to post after every game win or lose.  Yes their posts seem to be much shorter after losses than wins, but they still report back on their insights.

With all that being said, you did not give us a game report after either of the two recent North Central losses.  But, as soon as they are back on the winning side of the ledger, you pop back up.  No huge issues here, lots of fans don't want to post about negatives of their own teams, so I don't begrudge you too much on this point.  The one that gets stuck in my craw a little deeper is when you turn towards other teams.  It's either a positive North Central post, or a negative post about another school.  Questioning the Carthage coach, bringing up technical fouls on other teams whenever you hear of them, mentioning the outlandish celebration styles of opponents, questioning the motivations of any number of transfer students, bringing up potential legal or grade issues with other students at other schools...that act just wears thin.  Especially the part where you imply something that we all know what you are talking about, and then go back and deny that you never technically said the thing you get called on.  The world is not black and white, the Cardinals do not do everything right, and other schools do not do everything wrong.  So many of us are drawn to D3 sports because the vast majority of people involved are in it for the right reasons.  Good students, good coaches, good kids, good basketball players.  That deserves to be celebrated and applauded.  Every once in awhile, people slip up.  I just personally feel like you take joy in the slip ups of others if they are wearing a non NCC jersey, and ignore when a cardinal red uniformed player or coach makes a similar slip up.

In anticipating your response, I am sure you will be able to cite different examples of when you were positive towards other teams and negative towards your own.  I don't begrudge you that point.  I just seem to recall those moments being few and far between, with more posts categorized in the manner I have listed above.

I fully don't intend to turn into a 2nd version of wheels81 and be your major foil on this board, but you asked, and I felt I owed it to you to give you a response.  I really don't harbor any ill will towards you (or anyone for that matter), I just get frustrated at times with your approach to posting on this forum.  I am sure this will elicit a response, and you deserve every chance to do so.  I just don't think I'll go back and forth very much on it.  It absolutely could be because I'm looking for these occurrences, so they seem more plentiful than actual reality proves.  I just think someone with your knowledge of basketball and the D3 landscape could do wonders to educate us on the good and bad of the entire CCIW instead of focusing on the things I've mentioned.

The latest example, after (of course) an NCC win...

Even moreso than the large margin of victory, the most noteworthy features of this game were 1) the apparent surrender of the Redmen about midway through the first half, after which their play was pretty devoid of any sense of urgency, and lacking of any observable degree of sustained effort. Basically, just playing out the string. And 2) Bosko's seemingly detached approach to the game. It appeared to the majority of the NCC contingent that he really wasn't into the game very much. Rather than his usual degree of engagement, barking at the officials, and yelling instructions to his players, he just sat rather quietly on the bench much of the game, apparently resigned to what proved to be the ultimate outcome.

I don't care when you post, or how much.  I just don't like all the pot shots you take about things you have no idea about.

[Titan Q]

CCIW Tournament
* Byes: #1 Augustana; #2 North Central
* Tuesday: #3 Wheaton vs #6 Elmhurst; #4 Illinois Wesleyan vs #5 Carroll
* Friday: #1 Augustana vs lowest seed; #2 North Central vs highest seed

Pool C (from @D3Bubble)
* Wheaton ("Strong contender", #11): .720 WP/.567 SOS/4-4 RRO
* North Central ("Bubble out", #17): .800 WP/.520 SOS/3-3 RRO
* Illinois Wesleyan ("Longshots", #29): .680 WP/.559 SOS/2-7 RRO

Looks like Wheaton is in good shape.  A win Tuesday would lock up Pool C.  With a loss the Thunder would have a .692 SOS...and sub-.700 is always trouble.  But I think Wheaton would probably still be in - I think the end of the bubble will look a little different this year.  A "soft bubble" as Drew says. .692 with that SOS and the RROs...seems good enough to me as I look at the big picture.

North Central probably has to win Friday in the CCIW tournament semifinal.  With a loss, and .769 WP to go with that .520 SOS, the Cards would be at the end of the bubble and most likely be on the wrong side after we see the usual # of upsets.  With a win Friday, I think NCC is a lock.

The interesting thing, of course, is that Wheaton and NCC will probably play each other Friday.  The CCIW's best path to 2 Pool Cs is probably NCC beating Wheaton in that game.  As I see it, both NCC and Wheaton would be in in that scenario...with Wheaton sneaking in at the end of the bubble. (The Friday game will determine which team is ranked higher in the final Central region ranking...and that is significant.)

IWU's only path to get to the Pool C table for any consideration would be to win Tuesday and win Friday, vs Augustana.  I think .678 (19-9) with the great SOS and maybe most importantly, a win over Augie, would be the only resume the Titans would have any chance with.  And even in that case, you're only probably looking at like a 20% chance.  So realistically, IWU is Pool A or bust.