MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Pat Coleman]

They may have voted too early.

[Titan Q]

NABC all-district teams...

http://nabc.com/nabc_releases/2019/diii_all_district


They do not have Aston Francis as Central player of the year? Did they bold the wrong name?

The way NABC makes their All-American team (player of the year from each district is on the 1st team), this would mean their 1st team All-America won't have Aston Francis?

Robert Duax (First Team): 17.7 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 2.0 apg, .427 FG, .349 3-point, .798 FT

Brady Rose (Second Team): 21.1 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 3.6 apg, .484 FG, .434 3-point, .851 FT


I don't get that one.

[duckfan41]

Seems odd to not have the National Player of the Year as the best player in his own region no?

[Hoosiersfan2323]

NABC all-district teams...

http://nabc.com/nabc_releases/2019/diii_all_district


They do not have Aston Francis as Central player of the year? Did they bold the wrong name?

The way NABC makes their All-American team (player of the year from each district is on the 1st team), this would mean their 1st team All-America won't have Aston Francis?

Totally understand that Boots is a very good player who has had an excellent career, but I am admittedly confused about all of the national love he receives. First team All-Region for D3hoops, District POY for NABC, and he averages 15.7 PPG, 3.8 RPG, and 4.1 APG while shooting 43.1% FG and 38.6% 3PT. Nice numbers no doubt, but worthy of that kind of attention? Perhaps a nod to Oshkosh's team success?

[Gregory Sager]

That is the implication. Pretty surprising.

Seems odd to not have the National Player of the Year as the best player in his own region no?

The two of you must be competing with each other for understatement of the year.

They may have voted too early.

Yeah, those 33 ppg and 8 rpg numbers Francis carried with him on the bus to Wooster that first weekend clearly needed improvement.

I can't even begin to fathom what was going through the minds of the NABC members who voted on the Central Region team, or if there were any politics involved or not, but this is nothing short of a major, credibility-denting blunder on their part. The NABC just keeps doing things that make you guys look good by comparison, Patrick.

Heck, they even misspelled Connor Raridon's name on the press release. Is Todd Raridon not a member of the NABC? If he is, perhaps he should ask for his dues to be refunded.

One thing's for sure -- since Ben Boots is obviously going to be an NABC first-teamer and Aston Francis isn't, the upcoming semifinal on Friday just got some added spice.

[Gregory Sager]

NABC all-district teams...

http://nabc.com/nabc_releases/2019/diii_all_district


They do not have Aston Francis as Central player of the year? Did they bold the wrong name?

The way NABC makes their All-American team (player of the year from each district is on the 1st team), this would mean their 1st team All-America won't have Aston Francis?

Totally understand that Boots is a very good player who has had an excellent career, but I am admittedly confused about all of the national love he receives. First team All-Region for D3hoops, District POY for NABC, and he averages 15.7 PPG, 3.8 RPG, and 4.1 APG while shooting 43.1% FG and 38.6% 3PT. Nice numbers no doubt, but worthy of that kind of attention? Perhaps a nod to Oshkosh's team success?

I think that it has less to do with UW-Oshkosh's success and more to do with the fact that the WIAC named Boots the league's Player of the Year. Given that the WIAC is the 500-pound gorilla of D3 men's basketball, that award carries a lot of juice in terms of other postseason honors.

[Titan Q]

NABC all-district teams...

http://nabc.com/nabc_releases/2019/diii_all_district


They do not have Aston Francis as Central player of the year? Did they bold the wrong name?

The way NABC makes their All-American team (player of the year from each district is on the 1st team), this would mean their 1st team All-America won't have Aston Francis?

Totally understand that Boots is a very good player who has had an excellent career, but I am admittedly confused about all of the national love he receives. First team All-Region for D3hoops, District POY for NABC, and he averages 15.7 PPG, 3.8 RPG, and 4.1 APG while shooting 43.1% FG and 38.6% 3PT. Nice numbers no doubt, but worthy of that kind of attention? Perhaps a nod to Oshkosh's team success?

I think that it has less to do with UW-Oshkosh's success and more to do with the fact that the WIAC named Boots the league's Player of the Year. Given that the WIAC is the 500-pound gorilla of D3 men's basketball, that award carries a lot of juice in terms of other postseason honors.

And that is why I understand Boots over Rose - he is the WIAC POY, so that is good enough for me.

Just don't get Duax over Rose at all.

[Greek Tragedy]

I didn't think we cared so much about the NABC...

[Gregory Sager]

I honestly don't know if we do, really. As is always the case this time of year, we're just killing time until Friday.

[Greek Tragedy]

NABC all-district teams...

http://nabc.com/nabc_releases/2019/diii_all_district


They do not have Aston Francis as Central player of the year? Did they bold the wrong name?

The way NABC makes their All-American team (player of the year from each district is on the 1st team), this would mean their 1st team All-America won't have Aston Francis?

Totally understand that Boots is a very good player who has had an excellent career, but I am admittedly confused about all of the national love he receives. First team All-Region for D3hoops, District POY for NABC, and he averages 15.7 PPG, 3.8 RPG, and 4.1 APG while shooting 43.1% FG and 38.6% 3PT. Nice numbers no doubt, but worthy of that kind of attention? Perhaps a nod to Oshkosh's team success?

I think that it has less to do with UW-Oshkosh's success and more to do with the fact that the WIAC named Boots the league's Player of the Year. Given that the WIAC is the 500-pound gorilla of D3 men's basketball, that award carries a lot of juice in terms of other postseason honors.

Be nice. The WIAC is shedding weight (UW-Superior). 

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

NABC all-district teams...

http://nabc.com/nabc_releases/2019/diii_all_district


They do not have Aston Francis as Central player of the year? Did they bold the wrong name?

The way NABC makes their All-American team (player of the year from each district is on the 1st team), this would mean their 1st team All-America won't have Aston Francis?

Totally understand that Boots is a very good player who has had an excellent career, but I am admittedly confused about all of the national love he receives. First team All-Region for D3hoops, District POY for NABC, and he averages 15.7 PPG, 3.8 RPG, and 4.1 APG while shooting 43.1% FG and 38.6% 3PT. Nice numbers no doubt, but worthy of that kind of attention? Perhaps a nod to Oshkosh's team success?

These awards are not decided by numbers.  Numbers mean very little in evaluating how good a player is.  Especially for the coach's awards - these are the guys who see these players day in and day out, break them down on film, etc.  They usually know what they're talking about.  Mistakes can be made, of course (I don't really get Boots over Francis unless you're rewarding his full four year career), but you're not going to find a lot of numbers involved in these arguments; numbers really only get you in the ballpark.

[WUPHF]

I think it is safe to say that numbers mean less than then what a percentage of the posters expect, but numbers mean very little reaches hyperbole territory.

[Titan Q]

These awards are not decided by numbers.  Numbers mean very little in evaluating how good a player is.  Especially for the coach's awards - these are the guys who see these players day in and day out, break them down on film, etc.  They usually know what they're talking about.  Mistakes can be made, of course (I don't really get Boots over Francis unless you're rewarding his full four year career), but you're not going to find a lot of numbers involved in these arguments; numbers really only get you in the ballpark.

You think the people deciding this have seen both Robert Duax and Brady Rose play? 

I don't buy it.

[Titan Q]

I think it is safe to say that numbers mean less than then what a percentage of the posters expect, but numbers mean very little reaches hyperbole territory.

Enormous hyperbole territory.

[Gregory Sager]

You don't even have to focus upon the numbers to see that Aston Francis is clearly more deserving than Ben Boots. A simple eye test tells you that. Or ask any coach who played both UWO and Wheaton how much time he and his staff spent game-planning for Boots and how much time they spent game-planning for Francis. Or look at it in terms of the performance of their respective teams. Even without Boots, UW-Oshkosh is a solid team with other stars (Fravert, Wittchow, and Flynn) that would make the Titans competitive in the upper half of the WIAC. Take Francis off of Wheaton, and what have you got? A Wheaton team that finishes eighth out of nine.