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Pat Coleman

Agreeing with Dave in that I was surprised that people were surprised it was nine.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 23, 2010, 10:56:23 AM
The rule, to my understanding (and I am not an NCAA compliance officer), is actually 33%, rounded up.
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Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 30, 2019, 08:24:48 PM
Agreeing with Dave in that I was surprised that people were surprised it was nine.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 23, 2010, 10:56:23 AM
The rule, to my understanding (and I am not an NCAA compliance officer), is actually 33%, rounded up.

This proves two things:
- I incorrectly used the word "several" ... sheesh that is a longer period of time than I realized.
- The years are starting to blur together ... bad sign. LOL
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AndOne

From a personal standpoint I guess the mistake I made in my early days of following the CCIW conference and D3 in general, was believing several people who told me that 8 was the maximum number of games someone could play in and still be eligible for medical hardship approval. At some point I did seek further confirmation by means of high level mathematical analysis 🤓.
However, as a detailed examination🔬of the number 9 revealed that it is more than 1/3rd of 25, I just went back to believing what I had been told Since then, the subject didn't often came up and when it did, it seemed everyone party to the conversation also held the mistaken (unless the rounding UP only became the practice recently) belief that the limit was 8. 😳
Hopefully Dave will be able to shed some additional light on the subject.

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I do recall having a confusing conversation with someone about whether the game in which they're injured counts.  I believe it was someone who got hurt on the very first play or in the first minute.  Eight and nine got thrown around a lot; it could've been very confusing.
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Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 30, 2019, 08:24:48 PM
Agreeing with Dave in that I was surprised that people were surprised it was nine.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 23, 2010, 10:56:23 AM
The rule, to my understanding (and I am not an NCAA compliance officer), is actually 33%, rounded up.

Are those D3 games or all games? Also, if you were a team in the MWC, for example, and didn't make the conference tournament, 33% of 24 games would be 8.
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Titan Q

On the hardship thing, there is a really black & white chart used...

http://www.iwuhoops.com/Hardship.pdf

No gray area.

AndOne

Quote from: Titan Q on May 02, 2019, 05:00:31 PM
On the hardship thing, there is a really black & white chart used...

http://www.iwuhoops.com/Hardship.pdf

No gray area.

Quote from: AndOne on April 28, 2019, 05:39:53 PM


Quote from: AndOne on March 26, 2019, 08:07:57 PM

14.2.5.2.5.2 Fraction in Percent Computation. Any computation of the percent limitation that results in a fractional portion of a contest or date of competition shall be rounded to the next whole number (e.g. 33 percent of the standard basketball denominator of 26—8.6 games—-shall be considered 9 games). 

                                          2018-19 Division III —- August

The above is the rule under which Aiden, who was injured in the 9th game of this past season, has been granted a fifth year medical hardship/"redshirt."
For quite some time I, and I believe the majority of other fans/posters, was under the impression that the maximum number of games a player could participate in and be granted a medical hardship was 8. This was due to the fact that 9 exceeded 1/3 (8.3) of the maximum allowable 25 regular season games. However, as confirmed by the above rule language which has been in effect since at least August, 2018, any fractional portion of a contest shall be rounded up, effectively making 9 the maximum allowable number of games one can play in and still be eligible for a medical hardship award. Incidentally, it's interesting to note that the current language refers to the "standard basketball denominator" as being 26 rather than the 25 regular season games that we have become used to.

While 26 still results in the maximum number of games a player can participate in and still be eligible for medical hardship status being 9, the interesting question that arises is whether the NCAA is now allowing teams to play 26 regular season games instead of 25.

Yep. That's in accord with the bolded rule I quoted on 3/26 which came from the August 2018 version of the Division III Rulebook.
Again, I was under the mistaken impression that the basketball limit was 8 games until I found the above rule language indicating the (1/3) figure gets rounded up to the next whole number which, of course, for our purposes is 9.
I know several other fans also thought the "magic number" was 8 whether they'll admit it or not. 😏
On the other hand, I'm sure there are a good number of our fans/posters who had it right at 9 all along. 😉

The last two instances of a basketball medical hardship being granted a CCIW player that come to mind quickly are Brady Rose and Connor Raridon. However, I know Connor was injured in the 7th game, and I believe Brady was hurt in the 6th game. Does anyone know of a basketball player being injured for the remainder of the season in the 9th game, or is Aiden Chang the first player to benefit from the rounding up to 9 rule?


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Hopefully none of our skiers ⛷will be injured after their 6th meet, nor any of our fencers 🤺 after their 4th bout.  :D  ;D

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Another Wheaton recruit ...

Chris Swardstrom from Crean Lutheran in Irvine, California. 6-5 190lbs guard.

https://twitter.com/losangeleselite/status/1126157506449817602


Gregory Sager

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#51085
Big news at North Park today, as the successor to retiring AD Jack Surridge has been named. It's John Born, who currently serves as the head coach of the NPU men's soccer program and as an assistant professor in the North Park School of Business and Nonprofit Management, where he runs NPU's Sport Management curriculum and major.

He's going to hold a new position, assistant vice president of athletics and sport management, which will combine his current academic duties with that of the role of athletic director. I'm not sure if this a cabinet-level position or not, although the words "vice president" seem to indicate that, and there's nothing in the press release that indicates to whom he would answer in the organizational chart aside from NPU President Mary Surridge. Given that he will have additional responsibilities aside from running the athletic department, my guess is that more of the paperwork and game-management oversight will be taken on by the associate athletic directors.

The big question is who will run the NPU men's soccer program, which is by far the most successful program in the athletic department and the only one that's currently enjoying any national success. The obvious answer is that associate head coach Kris Grahn, a former CCIW Player of the Year and All-American, will take over the reins of the program for John. This would make sense, as John's clearly been grooming Kris to be his successor. The prowess of the program should continue unabated with Kris running it.

Jack Surridge is going to stay on the NPU payroll as Strategic Enrollment Management Advisor, which means that he'll probably be working as something of an aide to his wife, the school's president.

EDIT: Ninety minutes after announcing John Born's promotion to AVP of athletics & sport management, Kris Grahn was named to be NPU's new head men's soccer coach.
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AndOne

#51086
Had the pleasure of attending the North Central Basketball Award Banquet on Sunday, at which the following 2018-2019 awards were announced and presented.

Letter winners

Tommy Koth
Aaron Jones
Mike Pollack
Blaise Meredith
Matt Cappelletti
Connor Raridon
Will Clausel

Other than Koth, all of the above players return next year as well as starting guard Aiden Chang who was granted a medical hardship/redshirt after being injured in the 9th game and lost for the season.

Defensive POY - Blaise Meredith

Top Scholar Award - Max Farson

MVP - 2nd team All American Connor Raridon

Matt Cappelletti (1st team), Connor Raridon (1st team), and Blaise Meredith (2nd team) were presented with their All Conference certificates.

This season the Cardinals Christmas break trip found them participating in the D3Hoops Classic in Las Vegas. Next season they will journey to Austin, TX for the Texas Shootout on Dec 28-29.

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Quote from: Gregory Sager on May 13, 2019, 12:30:29 PM
Big news at North Park today, as the successor to retiring AD Jack Surridge has been named. It's John Born, who currently serves as the head coach of the NPU men's soccer program and as an assistant professor in the North Park School of Business and Nonprofit Management, where he runs NPU's Sport Management curriculum and major.

He's going to hold a new position, assistant vice president of athletics and sport management, which will combine his current academic duties with that of the role of athletic director. I'm not sure if this a cabinet-level position or not, although the words "vice president" seem to indicate that, and there's nothing in the press release that indicates to whom he would answer in the organizational chart aside from NPU President Mary Surridge. Given that he will have additional responsibilities aside from running the athletic department, my guess is that more of the paperwork and game-management oversight will be taken on by the associate athletic directors.

The big question is who will run the NPU men's soccer program, which is by far the most successful program in the athletic department and the only one that's currently enjoying any national success. The obvious answer is that associate head coach Kris Grahn, a former CCIW Player of the Year and All-American, will take over the reins of the program for John. This would make sense, as John's clearly been grooming Kris to be his successor. The prowess of the program should continue unabated with Kris running it.

Jack Surridge is going to stay on the NPU payroll as Strategic Enrollment Management Advisor, which means that he'll probably be working as something of an aide to his wife, the school's president.

EDIT: Ninety minutes after announcing John Born's promotion to AVP of athletics & sport management, Kris Grahn was named to be NPU's new head men's soccer coach.
congratulations to all!!  I think it is a good move(s) by NPU.  If you have the talent, developed it and mentored it —- use it.

AndOne

In addition to being a good move athletic and administrative wise, it is also hard to find fault with it from a strictly business standpoint. After all, NPU spent time and money recruiting and training both the new VP, and the new head soccer coach. It seemingly behooves the institution to maintain these assets and give them the opportunity to flourish in their new positions. 👨‍🏫 ⚽️

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Big news at IWU is that long-time SID and overall great guy Stew Salowitz is retiring.  A great run, a long and distinguished career, with many improvements and innovations around IWU sports and sports information over the years.  Thank you Stew for all the great work -- you and your team, and all those you have mentored over the years, too.  The end of an era for sure, in Titan sports.

As a sometime overseas fan, of course very much appreciated all the video streaming, keeping me in touch with Titan victories and achievements. 

An old and distant fan,

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