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Gregory Sager

#51345
October 15, 2019, 10:15:29 PM
Quote from: kenoshamark on October 15, 2019, 08:42:02 PM
The Carthage roster is up:

https://athletics.carthage.edu/sports/mens-basketball/roster

Might be more to it as only three freshmen listed, but all with good credentials.   Another son of one of Bosko's former players too.

Two guys wearing Carthage red whose fathers were starters on North Park's 1987 national championship team.

Sigh.
"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell

AndOne

#51346
October 15, 2019, 11:08:23 PM Last Edit: October 15, 2019, 11:21:58 PM by AndOne
Mark is right. There is no reason why Carthage should finish any lower than fourth place and, in fact, should be able to mount a valid challenge for the third place slot. In Kienan Baltimore they have one of the top 5 players in the CCIW. That he wasn't voted first team All-Conference last season was a farce. Sean Johnson combines adequate scoring at about 10 PPG with being the top rim defender in the conference. Jason "Have Gun Will Travel" Kedrowski can fill it up from distance at 40+%. The only Carthage recruit I am familiar with is Fillip Bulatovic who will likely be in the rotation this season and start as a sophomore. I think one problem the Red Men might have is depth. It will be interesting to see if Carthage plays tricks with the roster as it did last season when they listed 6'11" Brad Perry and Preston Laketa (16.8 PPG) all season even though Perry didn't play a minute, and Laketa only played 12 games before suddenly mysteriously disappearing for the remainder of the campaign. Has Perry fully recovered from his knee injury to the point he is back to 100% to start the season? Has Laketa taken the necessary steps to rejoin the team? If the answers to both these questions is yes, the Red Men will only be that much stronger and more dangerous.
Carthage should have finished higher last season. This season they will do so.

Titan Q

#51347
October 16, 2019, 06:46:30 PM
Quote from: AndOne on October 15, 2019, 11:08:23 PM
Mark is right. There is no reason why Carthage should finish any lower than fourth place and, in fact, should be able to mount a valid challenge for the third place slot. In Kienan Baltimore they have one of the top 5 players in the CCIW. That he wasn't voted first team All-Conference last season was a farce. Sean Johnson combines adequate scoring at about 10 PPG with being the top rim defender in the conference. Jason "Have Gun Will Travel" Kedrowski can fill it up from distance at 40+%. The only Carthage recruit I am familiar with is Fillip Bulatovic who will likely be in the rotation this season and start as a sophomore. I think one problem the Red Men might have is depth. It will be interesting to see if Carthage plays tricks with the roster as it did last season when they listed 6'11" Brad Perry and Preston Laketa (16.8 PPG) all season even though Perry didn't play a minute, and Laketa only played 12 games before suddenly mysteriously disappearing for the remainder of the campaign. Has Perry fully recovered from his knee injury to the point he is back to 100% to start the season? Has Laketa taken the necessary steps to rejoin the team? If the answers to both these questions is yes, the Red Men will only be that much stronger and more dangerous.
Carthage should have finished higher last season. This season they will do so.

It seems like they have plenty of talent to finish in the top 3.  But last year's team - that had Baltimore, Kedrowski, and Johnson - went 3-13 in CCIW play.  Something was clearly very wrong with that team. 

I'm sure getting Perry back will help.  And Carthage will probably have a couple impact newcomers.  But for me, based on last year, the Red Men enter 2019-20 as a big question mark.

AndOne

#51348
October 16, 2019, 10:05:48 PM
I am aware of a coach, who will remain nameless, who is heavily involved with the CCIW, and who has Carthage pegged as his second place team this year. Seems like very much of a stretch to me, but perhaps he knows more about the makeup of the Carthage roster than the rest of us? 🤔 🤗 🏀

AndOne

#51349
October 17, 2019, 01:28:48 PM
Anyone aware of any teams that began practice as allowed on Tues 10/15?
NCC will hold it's first practice on Sun night, 10/20.

crusader_nation

#51350
October 17, 2019, 04:36:36 PM
Wheaton has begun practices.

Roster is up -- https://athletics.wheaton.edu/sports/mens-basketball/roster

They graduated 6 seniors last year, and it looks like 2 other players didn't return from last year's team. They've added 10 freshman. With Spencer Peterson done, the only other senior on the team is Jay Spencer.

Wildly speculated starting line-up:

G - Tyson Cruickshank
G- Nyameye Adom
F - Cade Alioth (eventually Luke Anthony, once football ends)
F - Gavin Hawkins
C - Jay Spencer

It'll be interesting to see how Mike Schauer re-tools. Not a lot of experience on this team, outside of Spencer. I'll be curious to see if any of the freshman will contribute early.

lmitzel

#51351
October 17, 2019, 07:11:12 PM
Quote from: crusader_nation on October 17, 2019, 04:36:36 PM
Roster is up -- https://athletics.wheaton.edu/sports/mens-basketball/roster

*checks to make sure Aston Francis isn't on there*

...

*checks again to be absolutely sure*

It'll be interesting to see how good they'll be with that young a roster. I'd have to assume a freshman or two would crack the rotation, but how they follow up last year's Cinderella run will be a fun story to follow.
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markerickson

#51352
October 17, 2019, 10:32:46 PM
Dan Mulkerin, starting center on NPU's 1987 national championship team, and his son, Sean Johnson, would sit with me at NPU games when Sean was in HS.  Sean grew to 6'10" and his Dad lamented that NPU did not even attempt to recruit Sean.  Now I see the freshman son of Mike Barach, who was on that '87 team and I believe was a CCIW MVP, joins Sean on the Carthage roster.  Will NPU's mens hoops team win more conference games than the football team this year?
Once a metalhead, always a metalhead.  Matthew 5:13.

Mr. Ypsi

#51353
October 17, 2019, 11:39:41 PM
Quote from: markerickson on October 17, 2019, 10:32:46 PM
Dan Mulkerin, starting center on NPU's 1987 national championship team, and his son, Sean Johnson, would sit with me at NPU games when Sean was in HS.  Sean grew to 6'10" and his Dad lamented that NPU did not even attempt to recruit Sean.  Now I see the freshman son of Mike Barach, who was on that '87 team and I believe was a CCIW MVP, joins Sean on the Carthage roster.  Will NPU's mens hoops team win more conference games than the football team this year?

Apparently the loyalty to Bosko is greater than the loyalty to NPU.  Seems out of whack with the D3 philosophy (academics first; athletics second), but is probably in line with human nature.

Titan Q

#51355
October 18, 2019, 10:10:39 AM Last Edit: October 18, 2019, 11:50:09 AM by Titan Q
The Titans have a lot of talent on this 2019-20 team, and they also enter the season with a lot of questions to answer.

This team will probably look a lot more like Ron Rose's pre-Brady Rose teams, with very balanced scoring.  I can see 5 or 6 guys averaging somewhere between 9 and 13 points per game.  I don't see a 20+ ppg scorer.

The Titans should be deep as usual -- it seems they are two deep with good talent at all 5 spots (need to get Matt Leritz healthy at the 5).

IWU has been big at the guard spots the last several years with 6-3 Brady Rose Rose and 6-4 Colin Bonnett.  The biggest difference with this team is that they'll be small at PG and SG, but very quick and athletic.  5-11 Grant Wolfe and 5-11 D1 transfer Keondre Schumacher are the likely starting guards and this will be a dramatically different look for the Titans -- more similar to when they were starting Travis Rosenkranz and Sean Johnson years ago.  I'm excited about this guard duo, as well as the guys who back them up.  I think 6-2 SG Cory Noe is sleeper to have a big year, and 6-0 freshman PG Luke Yoder is a potential future CCIW star.  Bernie Coderre, a steady senior PG, could factor in at the 1, or could end up being the odd man out.

6-4 Pete Lambesis is a guy I am excited about at the wing -- 2/3 player that is very athletic.  6-4 Gavin Markgraff played really well on the Italy trip and 6-4 Colin Cheaney seems to be very talented.

Ron Rose will have to figure out if 6-5 Doug Wallen is a 3 or 4 this year.  I view Wallen as potentially IWU's best player the next couple years...but some others guys could certainly prove me wrong there.

The Titans have some nice low post weapons in 6-9 Alex O'Neill, 6-6 Matt Leritz, 6-7 Charlie Bair.  They also have freshmen Brendan Smith (6-8/200) and Cole Khoury (6-9/235) - one could make a push I think.

Seems like they are high on 6-7 freshman combo forward Cody Mitchell.  He could work his way into the mix at the 3 or 4 as things go on.

The Titans will really look a lot different this year.  I'm excited to see a quicker, more athletic, more defensive-minded team on the floor.  Can't wait to see how it plays out.

Gregory Sager

#51358
October 18, 2019, 02:05:52 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 17, 2019, 11:39:41 PM
Quote from: markerickson on October 17, 2019, 10:32:46 PM
Dan Mulkerin, starting center on NPU's 1987 national championship team, and his son, Sean Johnson, would sit with me at NPU games when Sean was in HS.  Sean grew to 6'10" and his Dad lamented that NPU did not even attempt to recruit Sean.  Now I see the freshman son of Mike Barach, who was on that '87 team and I believe was a CCIW MVP, joins Sean on the Carthage roster.  Will NPU's mens hoops team win more conference games than the football team this year?

Apparently the loyalty to Bosko is greater than the loyalty to NPU.  Seems out of whack with the D3 philosophy (academics first; athletics second), but is probably in line with human nature.

It's a jock thing. A lot of student-athlete alumni tend to be extremely loyal to their former coaches, to the point where that's where their primary loyalty lies. I've talked to ex-jocks from other schools who feel the same way about their former coaches. It's not hard to imagine how the strongest bonds one feels are with the men and/or women who mentored them, and the teammates who practiced, traveled, played, and lived alongside them for four years.

That explains why Freddie Kruse, Dan Mulkerin, and Mike Barach have all sent their sons to Carthage to play for Bosko. What it doesn't explain are all of the daughters of NPU men's basketball alumni formerly under Bosko's tutelage who have gone to Carthage to play other sports, such as John Prochaska's daughter (women's lacrosse and women's basketball), Scott Stenmark's daughter (women's soccer), and now Marc Horner's daughter (women's volleyball). It's a bizarre coincidence that has a minor parallel with North Central women's basketball, as the current edition of the Cardinals lady hoopers features the daughters of two of Bosko's other former North Park basketball players, Jim Foley and Jeff Pearson.
"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell

mwunder

#51359
October 18, 2019, 02:51:09 PM
Quote from: AndOne on October 15, 2019, 11:08:23 PM
Mark is right. There is no reason why Carthage should finish any lower than fourth place and, in fact, should be able to mount a valid challenge for the third place slot. In Kienan Baltimore they have one of the top 5 players in the CCIW. That he wasn't voted first team All-Conference last season was a farce. Sean Johnson combines adequate scoring at about 10 PPG with being the top rim defender in the conference. Jason "Have Gun Will Travel" Kedrowski can fill it up from distance at 40+%. The only Carthage recruit I am familiar with is Fillip Bulatovic who will likely be in the rotation this season and start as a sophomore. I think one problem the Red Men might have is depth. It will be interesting to see if Carthage plays tricks with the roster as it did last season when they listed 6'11" Brad Perry and Preston Laketa (16.8 PPG) all season even though Perry didn't play a minute, and Laketa only played 12 games before suddenly mysteriously disappearing for the remainder of the campaign. Has Perry fully recovered from his knee injury to the point he is back to 100% to start the season? Has Laketa taken the necessary steps to rejoin the team? If the answers to both these questions is yes, the Red Men will only be that much stronger and more dangerous.
Carthage should have finished higher last season. This season they will do so.

I'll stay on the show me you can play smart as a team train until proven wrong.  I'm hoping that a more veteran roster will equate to more wins, but call me bullish.  I am however, looking forward to the Bulatovic era starting in K-town.
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