MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[iwu70]

Ypsi, keep putting it out there.  You're bound to be right one of these days  . . .      

Great win for the TITANS tonight -- balanced scoring, good speed and decent trey shooting.  Leritz really playing well, and Wallen too.  Noe had a nice game, with several key steals.  CCIW tournament should be real fun.  Hope the TITANS grab #2 seed.  Would make a good difference. 

Bright IWU future as all freshmen and sophomores out there, save for Bair. 

IWU'70

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Strength of schedule was the first thing that came to mind.

-Augie's SOS: .578
-Elmhurst's SOS: .526

Other thought that crossed my mind is that head to head/common opponents is a criteria, and even though they aren't counting RRO's yet, Elmhurst going 1-3 against the two teams above them (Augie 1-2, NCC 3-0) must have played something of a role.

Let me be the first:

Oof.  Elmhurst at #8?  Wow.

Recency Bias.

It's not, actually.  Looking at the numbers this one makes sense to me.  I think the vRRO will really settle a lot of things.  Benedictine is getting a bump for beating SNC - otherwise they'd be a lot lower.

Also, it looks like Augie's loss to NCC cost them four spots.  I think they'd be 3rd if they'd won that game.

I'll be interested to see how the rematch changes this in a week.

NCC is 3-1 vRRO (lost to BenU). Elmhurst is 2-3 (beat SNC).

As Greek Tragedy indicated... though, it isn't technically ... the vRRO data is not relevant this week. That is why you don't see that data in the data files. A team can't have "results" if there were no ranked teams to get that data from. Moving forward the vRRO now exists.

[79jaybird]

What has happened to the Bluejays?  Ugh      Very sloppy and careless play of late.  IWU played well yes, but Elmhurst sluggishness was apparent most of the night. 

[AndOne]

What has happened to the Bluejays?  Ugh      Very sloppy and careless play of late.  IWU played well yes, but Elmhurst sluggishness was apparent most of the night.

Could one answer possibly be no D?

In losing 4 of their last 5, the blue birds seem to have forgotten that they have to play on both ends of the floor.
1/29 — Gave up 94 points to Augie
2/5 —- Gave up 81 to Carthage
2/12 — Gave up 85 to IWU
2/8 —- Gave up only 56 to NCC, but only scored 45

[AndOne]

I have  :Dno idea who has the most double-doubles during this CCIW season.  Anybody have an idea?  I read Sean Johnson recently had one.

8 — Lavon Thomas
6 — Charlie Bair
6 — Sean Johnson
4 — Brad Perry
4 — Cade Alioth

Have I been Ypsied? 

[AndOne]

IWU now in a 2nd place tie with Augustana in the loss column...and IWU owns the tie-breaker vs Augustana.

And IWU has 3 games remaining.........all on the road
2/15 @ Wheaton
2/19 @ NPU
2/22 @ Carthage

While Augie has 2 games left.........both at home
2/15 vs Carthage
2/22 vs NPU

Augie will be a prohibitive favorite in both their games.
IWU will handle NPU but, according to Massey, will be a slight underdog @ Carthage, and more-so @ Wheaton.

[AndOne]

1. Platteville - 0.842 W% - 0.566 SOS
2. Wash U - 0.800 - 0.565
3. Benedictine - 0.857 - 0.493
4. SNC - 0.857 - 0.536
5. Eau Claire - 0.714 - 0.580
6. NCC - 0.810 - 0.523
7. Augustana - 0.727 - 0.578
8. Elmhurst - 0.818 - 0.526

Put Benedictine and St. Norbs in the CCIW and see where they'd rank. 👇

[Gregory Sager]

1. Platteville - 0.842 W% - 0.566 SOS
2. Wash U - 0.800 - 0.565
3. Benedictine - 0.857 - 0.493
4. SNC - 0.857 - 0.536
5. Eau Claire - 0.714 - 0.580
6. NCC - 0.810 - 0.523
7. Augustana - 0.727 - 0.578
8. Elmhurst - 0.818 - 0.526

Put Benedictine and St. Norbs in the CCIW and see where they'd rank. 👇

The same Benedictine club that beat your Cardinals in the airplane hangar earlier this season? 

[lmitzel]

Strength of schedule was the first thing that came to mind.

-Augie's SOS: .578
-Elmhurst's SOS: .526

Other thought that crossed my mind is that head to head/common opponents is a criteria, and even though they aren't counting RRO's yet, Elmhurst going 1-3 against the two teams above them (Augie 1-2, NCC 3-0) must have played something of a role.

Let me be the first:

Oof.  Elmhurst at #8?  Wow.

Recency Bias.

It's not, actually.  Looking at the numbers this one makes sense to me.  I think the vRRO will really settle a lot of things.  Benedictine is getting a bump for beating SNC - otherwise they'd be a lot lower.

Also, it looks like Augie's loss to NCC cost them four spots.  I think they'd be 3rd if they'd won that game.

I'll be interested to see how the rematch changes this in a week.

NCC is 3-1 vRRO (lost to BenU). Elmhurst is 2-3 (beat SNC).

As Greek Tragedy indicated... though, it isn't technically ... the vRRO data is not relevant this week. That is why you don't see that data in the data files. A team can't have "results" if there were no ranked teams to get that data from. Moving forward the vRRO now exists.

I know that, Dale. I was correcting Mitzel who had said Elmhurst would be 1-3 and NCC would be 3-0 in the category.

Except I was only referring to the three CCIW teams, so...

[bbfan44]

1. Platteville - 0.842 W% - 0.566 SOS
2. Wash U - 0.800 - 0.565
3. Benedictine - 0.857 - 0.493
4. SNC - 0.857 - 0.536
5. Eau Claire - 0.714 - 0.580
6. NCC - 0.810 - 0.523
7. Augustana - 0.727 - 0.578
8. Elmhurst - 0.818 - 0.526

Put Benedictine and St. Norbs in the CCIW and see where they'd rank. 👇

The same Benedictine club that beat your Cardinals in the airplane hangar earlier this season? 

Well that was a wide open door...

[AndOne]

1. Platteville - 0.842 W% - 0.566 SOS
2. Wash U - 0.800 - 0.565
3. Benedictine - 0.857 - 0.493
4. SNC - 0.857 - 0.536
5. Eau Claire - 0.714 - 0.580
6. NCC - 0.810 - 0.523
7. Augustana - 0.727 - 0.578
8. Elmhurst - 0.818 - 0.526

Put Benedictine and St. Norbs in the CCIW and see where they'd rank. 👇

The same Benedictine club that beat your Cardinals in the airplane hangar earlier this season? 

Well that was a wide open door...

Exactly. And I anticipated that someone would likely make such a remark.
BUT, that BU beat NCC isn't the point here. The point is that although both BU and SNC are good enough where they would certainly win some CCIW games, no way would they win nearly as many playing in the CCIW regularly as they do in their current respective conferences which are not nearly as strong top to bottom as the CCIW. So BU beats NCC (or substitute any other CCIW team), but they're not going to beat a majority of the other top conference teams. They (and SNC) are not going to also beat Augie, Elmhurst, IWU, Wheaton, Carthage and Carroll. A couple maybe, but not a majority like they do in their current conferences. Both BU and SNC are likely no better than 5th in a the CCIW. They would certainly pile up more losses than they do playing against, and dominating, their current conference opponents, and thus their regional rankings would correspondingly be lower.

[AndOne]

With regard to all the recent talk regarding possible first team All Conference selections, NCC's Matt Cappelletti may have picked up a vote in Rock Island last night from the same voter who likely, as Greg Sager touched upon, won't be casting a first team ballot for Kienan Baltimore. Capp led the Cardinals over Augie last evening with 22 points on 4/9 from three and 8/8 from the line. For added measure he pulled down 4 rebounds, and threw in an assist, and 2 steals.

[WUPHF]

Also, St. Norbert > Oshkosh > North Central.

[kiko]

1. Platteville - 0.842 W% - 0.566 SOS
2. Wash U - 0.800 - 0.565
3. Benedictine - 0.857 - 0.493
4. SNC - 0.857 - 0.536
5. Eau Claire - 0.714 - 0.580
6. NCC - 0.810 - 0.523
7. Augustana - 0.727 - 0.578
8. Elmhurst - 0.818 - 0.526

Put Benedictine and St. Norbs in the CCIW and see where they'd rank. 👇

The same Benedictine club that beat your Cardinals in the airplane hangar earlier this season? 

Well that was a wide open door...

Exactly. And I anticipated that someone would likely make such a remark.
BUT, that BU beat NCC isn't the point here. The point is that although both BU and SNC are good enough where they would certainly win some CCIW games, no way would they win nearly as many playing in the CCIW regularly as they do in their current respective conferences which are not nearly as strong top to bottom as the CCIW. So BU beats NCC (or substitute any other CCIW team), but they're not going to beat a majority of the other top conference teams. They (and SNC) are not going to also beat Augie, Elmhurst, IWU, Wheaton, Carthage and Carroll. A couple maybe, but not a majority like they do in their current conferences. Both BU and SNC are likely no better than 5th in a the CCIW. They would certainly pile up more losses than they do playing against, and dominating, their current conference opponents, and thus their regional rankings would correspondingly be lower.

This is an embarrassingly weak argument.

[Baldini]

Also, St. Norbert > Oshkosh > North Central.

This can be a madding game we can play.

North Central X2 > Elmhurst > St. Norbert > Oshkosh, but Oshkosh > North Central

Such the conundrum.