MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Pat Coleman]

BUT "perhaps other posters will see things the same way I do on this."

Nope. You added a word that makes it sound like what you want it to sound, but I actually said:

perhaps other posters see things the same way I do on this.

I'll elaborate for you so that there's no chance of misunderstanding: Perhaps other posters already see things the same way I do on this and are also smiting you. Do I smite you? Yes, when you post smite-worthy content and I haven't already smited you in the past 24 hours.

It was not a call to action. Your complaining about karma will surely do what it has done to hundreds of posters for going on two decades -- invite more negative karma.

[Gregory Sager]

But shouldn't the way COY is determined be uniform across all the various sports?
Without attempting to goad anyone else into my way of thinking, I'll just say I personally think the coaches voting as to who is most deserving among their peers is the way to go. 

That's kind of a contradictory argument, though. If you're going to allow the head coaches in each sport to select their own Coach of the Year award, rather than having Brainard St., or the media, or anybody else, determine the COY, then the coaches should have the right to determine how they will make that selection.

Besides, it's very easy to get around any mandate enforcing cross-sports uniformity in selecting COYs. Every set of head coaches in each particular sport is its own little club, and collusion among them would be a piece of cake. How could you enforce any attempt to get around it? Specifically tell them that they can't give the award to the head coach of the championship team? That's not logical, because there are plenty of occasions when giving it to the head coach of the championship team is the right call.

I don't like the way that the CCIW's men's basketball head coaches pick their COY ... but I believe that they have every right to do it that way.

[Pat Coleman]

But that could've been mere flourish rather than it being the straw that broke the camel's back ...

I'll accept that as a possible interpretation as well -- but he could have just walked away without someone publicly giving him **** for not posting, when yes, in fact, it had already happened for some time.

[iwu70]

I, for one, will miss Q's posts which were almost always informative, well-argued, and well-informed.  He's one of the most knowledgeable people in all of D3 hoops.  I know he has other outlets, tasks and projects now, so not totally surprised he doesn't want to spend time on this board, which has declined in quality and tone, in my humble opinion.   But, for me, he was always one of our very best, well-reasoned posters.  I wish we had more like him from all the CCIW schools, teams.   This board would be much richer and worth following if that were so.

IWU'70

[Gregory Sager]

What I miss most about Bob is his institutional memory. He and Pat and I were, I think, the only ones left who've been here on CCIW Chat for the entire 25 years it's existed. (My apologies if I've missed somebody; I know that augiefan wasn't far behind.) The number of people who've faithfully followed this league for a quarter-century is actually not very large -- and by "follow the league" I'm not just talking about following your favorite team, but rather being well-versed enough in it to talk about the other programs in the league to some depth and accuracy -- and of those people the folks among them that I know personally and can interact with is substantially smaller still.

Funny thing is, there's a part of me that would rather hang around with another well-informed CCIW oldtimer who follows a different team than mine than hang around with a fellow North Park fan whose fandom is either shallow or strictly recent, or both.

Of course, there's another part of me that feels the exact opposite.

[USee]

Sager, I have been on here since inception. To clarify, I was on the football board since inception, it took several years for me to migrate over the basketball chat. I remember the football board when it was the centennial conference I think? It was hosted on another site at a school Pat was working at/near in the east, I think it was in the Centennial conference. 

[Gregory Sager]

Sager, I have been on here since inception. To clarify, I was on the football board since inception, it took several years for me to migrate over the basketball chat.

We went in the opposite direction; I've been on the basketball board since its inception, and it took me several years to migrate over to the football board. That's why I identified Pat, Bob, and I as being the remaining initial presences specifically on CCIW Chat, which was the name that the CCIW basketball board was given by Pat soon after it started. (I don't recall if the CCIW football board ever had a name like that.)

I think that some of the other conference-specific basketball boards had similarly folksy names; Pat may remember them. The only other one I can recall off of the top of my head was Let's Talk MIAA.

I remember the football board when it was the centennial conference I think? It was hosted on another site at a school Pat was working at/near in the east, I think it was in the Centennial conference.

Yes, d3boards.com originally started out as a Centennial Conference project. Pat took over what is now d3hoops.com from the CC in the fall of '97, which was a few months before I started CCIW Chat as a branch on the site's posting tree based around the question, "Has the CCIW as a whole been down in recent years?" (I think that that was the wording I used.) That was the cumbersome name that the branch had until Pat renamed it CCIW Chat, since we had long since moved on from the initial topic.

[Pat Coleman]

I inherited D3hoops.com from the Centennial Conference in November 1997 and the message board started in November 1998. When D3football.com launched in July 1999, it launched with a board of its own and we merged them in 2005.

[Gregory Sager]

I inherited D3hoops.com from the Centennial Conference in November 1997 and the message board started in November 1998. When D3football.com launched in July 1999, it launched with a board of its own and we merged them in 2005.

Yep, now I remember. Thanks for the timeline, Pat.

The general idea I had in raising the topic in the first place in November '98 -- since there was nothing on the message board about the CCIW, and IIRC nothing related to any midwestern D3 leagues at all at that early stage -- was to address the topic of the league's slide into relative mediocrity. Even though Illinois Wesleyan had won the national championship the year before, only four of the eight CCIW teams had had a winning season, with North Central barely getting there at 13-12. Looking back, that was a low point ... but it didn't last long. By 1998-99 six of the eight CCIW teams finished the season with winning records, with a seventh, North Park, barely underwater at 12-13.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

The countdown is on! Ten more days until the regular season comes to a close and we find out who will be playing for the Walnut and Bronze!



Thursday on Hoopsville, there is plenty to keep track of throughout Division III.

Hoopsville starts immediately following the NCAA Division III National Committee's announcement of the Top 16 "seeds" in both men's and women's rankings aired. We chatted with both national committee chairs, Michael Schauer of Wheaton (Ill.) and Megan Wilson of Luther, about the release, how they came to the decisions, and what they hope to inspire with the announcements. Plus more.

Then we talk to coaches around the country about their programs and how they are positioning themselves for conference tournaments.

Guests include:

• National Committee Chairs


• Michael Schauer, No. 11 Wheaton (Ill.) coach
• Megan Wilson, Luther Associate Athletics Director
• Brendan Twomey, Farmingdale State men's coach
• Greg Mitchell, Hope men's coach
• Nick DiPillo, No. 17 Scranton women's coach
• Michelle Ferenz, No. 6 Whitman women's coach

We had scheduled to talk to Christine VanHook from PSU-Behrend women's basketball, but there was a last minute scheduling conflict. We hope to catch up with Coach VanHook in the next week.

Watch the show here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/feb17

Podcast here: https://soundcloud.com/hoopsville/1922-10-more-days?utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing

[Pat Coleman]

I inherited D3hoops.com from the Centennial Conference in November 1997 and the message board started in November 1998. When D3football.com launched in July 1999, it launched with a board of its own and we merged them in 2005.

Yep, now I remember. Thanks for the timeline, Pat.

The general idea I had in raising the topic in the first place in November '98 -- since there was nothing on the message board about the CCIW, and IIRC nothing related to any midwestern D3 leagues at all at that early stage -- was to address the topic of the league's slide into relative mediocrity. Even though Illinois Wesleyan had won the national championship the year before, only four of the eight CCIW teams had had a winning season, with North Central barely getting there at 13-12. Looking back, that was a low point ... but it didn't last long. By 1998-99 six of the eight CCIW teams finished the season with winning records, with a seventh, North Park, barely underwater at 12-13.

I remember the early conversations being very MAC focused. Those guys were all fired up in the late '90s!

[Gregory Sager]

I inherited D3hoops.com from the Centennial Conference in November 1997 and the message board started in November 1998. When D3football.com launched in July 1999, it launched with a board of its own and we merged them in 2005.

Yep, now I remember. Thanks for the timeline, Pat.

The general idea I had in raising the topic in the first place in November '98 -- since there was nothing on the message board about the CCIW, and IIRC nothing related to any midwestern D3 leagues at all at that early stage -- was to address the topic of the league's slide into relative mediocrity. Even though Illinois Wesleyan had won the national championship the year before, only four of the eight CCIW teams had had a winning season, with North Central barely getting there at 13-12. Looking back, that was a low point ... but it didn't last long. By 1998-99 six of the eight CCIW teams finished the season with winning records, with a seventh, North Park, barely underwater at 12-13.

I remember the early conversations being very MAC focused. Those guys were all fired up in the late '90s!

Yeah, but they peaked in the early '00s, the heyday of Adam Burdett, Colonel John, Naismith, Ned Flanders, William Wallace, Coach C, etc., with Warren Thompson special-guest-starring as the resident adult in the room. I believe that you once referred to that era of MAC posting as "totally wacky." The hilarious ongoing saga of MAC Freedom Survivor is one of my fondest memories of d3boards.com.

Here's hoping that someday the mysterious College of Charleston transfer will at long last find his way to the Wilkes campus.

[Pat Coleman]

I inherited D3hoops.com from the Centennial Conference in November 1997 and the message board started in November 1998. When D3football.com launched in July 1999, it launched with a board of its own and we merged them in 2005.

Yep, now I remember. Thanks for the timeline, Pat.

The general idea I had in raising the topic in the first place in November '98 -- since there was nothing on the message board about the CCIW, and IIRC nothing related to any midwestern D3 leagues at all at that early stage -- was to address the topic of the league's slide into relative mediocrity. Even though Illinois Wesleyan had won the national championship the year before, only four of the eight CCIW teams had had a winning season, with North Central barely getting there at 13-12. Looking back, that was a low point ... but it didn't last long. By 1998-99 six of the eight CCIW teams finished the season with winning records, with a seventh, North Park, barely underwater at 12-13.

I remember the early conversations being very MAC focused. Those guys were all fired up in the late '90s!

Yeah, but they peaked in the early '00s, the heyday of Adam Burdett, Colonel John, Naismith, Ned Flanders, William Wallace, Coach C, etc., with Warren Thompson special-guest-starring as the resident adult in the room. I believe that you once referred to that era of MAC posting as "totally wacky." The hilarious ongoing saga of MAC Freedom Survivor is one of my fondest memories of d3boards.com.

Here's hoping that someday the mysterious College of Charleston transfer will at long last find his way to the Wilkes campus.

Those were the good-ol' days of administrators blaming *us* for bad actions by their fans.

The situation with MAC fans had not improved eight years later:
https://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2006/09/19/supporting-participants-in-a-positive-manner/

[kiko]

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[Pat Coleman]

Thanks for plugging the Patreon! In this case, we did publish that content on the website as well, but put it in front of our Patreon supporters early.