MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Next Man Up]

The CCIW athletic administrators made a decision over the past few days to require a two-and-a-half-hour gap between start times when there is a basketball doubleheader. For example, a 2 pm start must now be followed by a start no earlier than 4:15 pm, and a 5 pm start must be followed by a start no earlier than 7:15 pm. This will obviously have a greater effect upon men's basketball start times than women's basketball start times.

I don't know about elsewhere, but I feel like at the hangar we're usually not hitting a 7pm tip in the second game of a doubleheader anyway (I can't remember what we've usually set our warmup time to, if it's been 20 or 30 minutes).

Gives me more time to eat/do last minute prep between games, I suppose.

Last year in 7 doubleheaders I believe the guys game started on time (2 hours after the start of the women's  game) once. There must not have been many fouls called in that first game. Men's games seem to most often start between about 8 and 15 minutes after the scheduled time.

* Also, I believe there may be a rule that teams have to have a 20 minute warm-up period once they take the floor. Not sure if this is a CCIW or NCAA mandate. And, if it's not required, 20 minutes seems to be a common practice—at least at NCC. That means that for a guys game to start on time, the girls game can't run more than an hour and 40 minutes. Something that rarely happens as ever since the women went to quarters, 2 hour games have become increasingly rare.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Also, a question: Wouldn't a two-and-a-half-hour gap mean a 2pm start must be followed by a 5:30pm start?

Only if you're playing the first half of the doubleheader in Illinois and the second half of the doubleheader in Michigan.

Oops - fat fingered that second time - meant to say 4:30 - so why are the examples given only 2:15 between games?

[Greek Tragedy]

I seem to remember it being about 30 minutes immediately after the 1st game ended. They'd set the clock at 30 minutes once the final horn sounded in the 1st game.  Stevens Point, of course, has the luxury of the men and women playing in different gyms, so when the women's game ended, the men were already warming up. You'd just have to run down the hall from Berg Gym to Quandt. I believe the WIAC doesn't do men/women double headers anymore.

[Gregory Sager]

The CCIW athletic administrators made a decision over the past few days to require a two-and-a-half-hour gap between start times when there is a basketball doubleheader. For example, a 2 pm start must now be followed by a start no earlier than 4:15 pm, and a 5 pm start must be followed by a start no earlier than 7:15 pm. This will obviously have a greater effect upon men's basketball start times than women's basketball start times.

I don't know about elsewhere, but I feel like at the hangar we're usually not hitting a 7pm tip in the second game of a doubleheader anyway (I can't remember what we've usually set our warmup time to, if it's been 20 or 30 minutes).

Gives me more time to eat/do last minute prep between games, I suppose.

Last year in 7 doubleheaders I believe the guys game started on time (2 hours after the start of the women's  game) once. There must not have been many fouls called in that first game. Men's games seem to most often start between about 8 and 15 minutes after the scheduled time.

* Also, I believe there may be a rule that teams have to have a 20 minute warm-up period once they take the floor. Not sure if this is a CCIW or NCAA mandate. And, if it's not required, 20 minutes seems to be a common practice—at least at NCC.

It's actually not a rule -- or, more precisely, it's not a rule in the way that you conceived it. It's a rule that has to do with the officials, not the players, and it's called "Officials' Jurisdiction" (Rule 2, Section 4). According to 2.4.1 and 2.4.2, officials' jurisdiction begins 20 minutes prior to the scheduled starting time of the game (which is why they can call a technical if, say, you're doing dangerous stuff in the warm-up line such as hanging on the rim), and there must be at least one official on the floor at the outset of officials' jurisdiction. While it's not a rule, the general practice is that the players warm up at least from the commencement of officials' jurisdiction onward. Officials' jurisdiction obviously can't begin while another game is in progress (i.e., when three other officials have jurisdiction over the floor).

Also, a question: Wouldn't a two-and-a-half-hour gap mean a 2pm start must be followed by a 5:30pm start?

Only if you're playing the first half of the doubleheader in Illinois and the second half of the doubleheader in Michigan.

Oops - fat fingered that second time - meant to say 4:30 - so why are the examples given only 2:15 between games?

That's my fault. I meant to type "two-and-a-quarter hours" and typed "two-and-a-half hours" instead.

Basketball preseason is the time when, as the PBP broadcaster for both the North Park men and the North Park women, I get all of my "quarter" and "half" confusion out of the way.

[markerickson]

It is laughable to think that Coach Smith could recruit "4 or 5 guys" who could stroke the trey at a .400+ clip.  How many CCIW teams have ever had at least two?  And within The System, I doubt one team ever had more than three.

So Coach Smith will go deep with a roster full of unprovens.  I will go out on a limb to predict that after this season NPU will still have only one season where it qualified for the conference tourney and finish with fewer wins than NPU football has losses.

[mr_b]

It is laughable to think that Coach Smith could recruit "4 or 5 guys" who could stroke the trey at a .400+ clip.  How many CCIW teams have ever had at least two?  And within The System, I doubt one team ever had more than three.

My take on Greg's earlier post was that he was formulating a hypothetical, viz., "Even if Coach Smith could recruit four or five players who could hit treys at .400+, he still would not use The System." 

[Gregory Sager]

It is laughable to think that Coach Smith could recruit "4 or 5 guys" who could stroke the trey at a .400+ clip.  How many CCIW teams have ever had at least two?  And within The System, I doubt one team ever had more than three.

My take on Greg's earlier post was that he was formulating a hypothetical, viz., "Even if Coach Smith could recruit four or five players who could hit treys at .400+, he still would not use The System."

Yes, that is exactly what I meant. Rahmat, Mr. B!

So Coach Smith will go deep with a roster full of unprovens.  I will go out on a limb to predict that after this season NPU will still have only one season where it qualified for the conference tourney

North Park has already been in two conference tourneys.

and finish with fewer wins than NPU football has losses.

This rainy mid-October day is really bringing out your inner Eeyore, isn't it, Mark?

[mr_b]

This rainy mid-October day is really bringing out your inner Eeyore, isn't it, Mark?

Maybe Shleprock would be more apropos.  He comes with his own raincloud that follows him around.

Yes, that is exactly what I meant. Rahmat, Mr. B!

Ech nerse emes -- You're welcome / Don't mention it.

[markerickson]

I initially said, "NPU will definitely not employ The System due to a severe shortage of guys who will hit the trey."  I also cast doubt on Coach Smith being able to recruit a bevy of talent to hit the trey, and my question got ignored.  Then my two sentences got combined to make one believe Coach Smith will not recruit sharpshooters.  Why would he not, given NP's shooting woes?

[Gregory Sager]

I initially said, "NPU will definitely not employ The System due to a severe shortage of guys who will hit the trey."

Yes, and I pointed out that that isn't the case. The explanation behind the fact that NPU will not employ the Arseneault System is because Sean Smith doesn't want to use it.

I also cast doubt on Coach Smith being able to recruit a bevy of talent to hit the trey, and my question got ignored.

Probably because you were ypsi'ing:

It is laughable to think that Coach Smith could recruit "4 or 5 guys" who could stroke the trey at a .400+ clip.  How many CCIW teams have ever had at least two?

That's a ypsi that demands a lot of research. Not all of us have the time to delve into the archives of all nine schools in order to answer it. Sometimes, if you really want a question answered, you have to take on the task of finding the answer yourself instead of casting your ypsi net in the hope of snaring a willing researcher who'll do the work for you.

As for dismissing Sean's recruiting abilities out of hand, I'm not going to do so. He's a completely unknown quantity at this point with regard to recruiting CCIW players. He might fail at it, he might not, but I'm not going to assign someone a grade before they've even taken the test.

Then my two sentences got combined to make one believe Coach Smith will not recruit sharpshooters.  Why would he not, given NP's shooting woes?

Nobody was insinuating that at all.

My concern all along -- and I've said this to Sean as well as posting it here more than once -- is that NPU needs to shoot much, much better if the Vikings are to be at all competitive. Last season the Vikings were dead last in CCIW play in scoring, field goal percentage, trey percentage, and free-throw percentage, a truly ugly quadruple crown. The year before? Seventh, eighth, ninth, and ninth, respectively. The year before that? Seventh, eighth, seventh, seventh. The Vikings haven't finished in the top four in the league in CCIW scoring, CCIW FG %, or CCIW trey % since the championship season of 2016-17. And, while it's not as though the NPU defense has been holding up its end, either, you simply cannot win in this or any other basketball league if you can't put the ball in the basket.

I can't imagine that Sean and his two assistants are going to turn a blind eye to shooting ability, or the lack thereof, on the recruiting trail. That's all I'm saying.

[iwu70]

Well, gentlemen, here we go pretty soon now.  The practices have started and the new scoreboards and video screens (jumbotrons) are installed at The Shirk . . . Coach Rose and his guys are back at it formally, preparing for their first exhibition game vs. Bradley on Nov. 2nd, just two weeks away now. 

Of course, much is still uncertain, though I'd predict the Titans' starting line-up might be Heflen, Sroka, Roper, Mitchell and Wilmsen.   Others in the rotation still a mystery to me . . . though one could probably guess some of the likely characters . . .  perhaps Williams and Heaton featuring . . . and some others.  Lots of talent there among the Titan pine-sitters, waiting for their turn . . . and now's the time.  Lots of big paint players, rebounders and bangers were there waiting behind Leritz, so we'll be seeing some of them, too.   

Looking forward to the season  . . .  I'll stick with my notion of 78 points.

IWU '70

[Pat Coleman]

New scoreboards? About time! The scoreboard there was out of date the moment it went in.

[iwu70]

Yes, Pat, I was told those old scoreboards date back to the Fred Young Fieldhouse days, when Martin Luther King, jr. spoke at the Fieldhouse in 1966.   In all the famous, historical images of that day, that speech, you can see the scoreboards with the IWU lineups in the background behind Dr. King as he speaks to the full Fieldhouse. (I was there that day as a Monticello High School senior.  My brother was involved in the first MLK jr visit to IWU earlier, when he was Student Senate President at IWU). 

The old scoreboards are being saved, installed in the IWU practice gym at Shirk, so they must still have some life left in them . . .

'70

[Pat Coleman]

They're definitely still usable -- just not in that space. They've been way too small for the Shirk since jump.

Regardless of their age, they are most certainly NOT the same scoreboards as the one in this photo:
https://www.iwu.edu/news/2015/events/mlk-day-teach-in-on-voting-rights-and-social-justice.html

[itsnotmeitsyou]

They're definitely still usable -- just not in that space. They've been way too small for the Shirk since jump.

Regardless of their age, they are most certainly NOT the same scoreboards as the one in this photo:
https://www.iwu.edu/news/2015/events/mlk-day-teach-in-on-voting-rights-and-social-justice.html

My "Spider-Man sense" tells me that the scoreboard in the picture displays the visiting roster of the NPC Vikings... any old timers concur? Most likely from the Wed. night game the night before.

Wonder if any of those visiting players knew then/know now what was to occur the next day?