MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

Titan Q · February 02, 2006, 11:30:38 PM

Here is that Cousy Award finalist list...

http://www.hoophall.com/documents/2006CousyAwardFinalists.pdf

Congrats to Adam and Kyle for representing Division III. Two great players from two great programs and schools.

A pic of finalist Dee Brown guarding finalist Adam Dauksas...

http://www.iwuhoops.com/illiniad.jpg

Johnny Augie · February 02, 2006, 11:44:33 PM

Nice picture with Dee. That's a lot of orange.

Titan Q · February 02, 2006, 11:56:11 PM

Adam Dauksas, Illinois Wesleyan 16-3
14.2 ppg
6.6 apg
2.4 A:TO
2.6 rpg
.431 FG (81-188)
.452 3-pt (47-104)
.769 FT (60-78)

Dee Brown, Illinois 20-2
15.1 ppg
5.9 apg
2.1 A:TO
3.1 rpg
.379 FG (111-293)
.338 3-pt (54-160)
.740 FT (57-77)

John Gleich · February 03, 2006, 12:40:11 AM

Woah, that's nuts... I played against Jose Juan Barea two summers ago on an Athletes In Action trip to Puerto Rico... He was on the Junior National team... they destroyed us 3 times, and he was really really good... nice to see him in the running for the Cousy award!

Congrats to Adam for being in the running for the award and good luck!

cardinal20 · February 03, 2006, 12:44:09 AM

I guess I should finally comment on the game last night. Another rough one for the Cards. I thought they outplayed the Titans for 35 minutes, but that isn't 40. What a great shooting war between Keelan and Vicario. Cards really hurt themselves by allowing 12 offensive rebounds to the Titans. Have to give the Titans credit for only turning the ball over once in the 2nd half.

Quick observation: Dauksas had zero, zip, nada fouls last night. The kid is good, but he gets away with rape out on the court.

iwumichigander · February 03, 2006, 01:04:42 AM

Quote from: cardinalpride on January 08, 2006, 03:16:12 AM
IWU will have at least two losses because NCC will beat them again at the Bird's Nest. That's right, NCC takes both conference games over IWU this year!! Ya heard it here first!!

Um? 1 & 1

iwumichigander · February 03, 2006, 01:47:02 AM

Quote from: cardinal20 on February 03, 2006, 12:44:09 AM
I guess I should finally comment on the game last night. Another rough one for the Cards. I thought they outplayed the Titans for 35 minutes, but that isn't 40. What a great shooting war between Keelan and Vicario. Cards really hurt themselves by allowing 12 offensive rebounds to the Titans. Have to give the Titans credit for only turning the ball over once in the 2nd half.

I honestly think the Cardinals lost the game in 2nd half from 8:52 (when up by 12) to 1:28 (down by 2) - allowing a 17 - 3 run; committing 5 turnovers; 4 PFs and then subsequently a 5th PF on Simmons fouling out at :56

You're right about the boards as IWU got 15 points off 2nd chance shots. I also have to give the Titan bench some credit here -- Bench Points IWU 15 NCC 2

It was a really hard fought contest as was the women's contest earlier. Two really good ball games and a shame any of the four teams lost.

bluemom · February 03, 2006, 01:52:27 AM

Thanks for the education. Although I can't say that I understand it all, I understand it some. You can't tell me though that even the committee members understand it fully either! Hate to say it, but I guess that's why some of us will be pleased and some of us won't be...... how about a D-III end of season NIT..... I'd buy stock in it, just to continue to see some of the good teams that have been left out continue to play!

cardinalpride · February 03, 2006, 02:31:59 AM

Quote from: dansand on February 02, 2006, 05:28:38 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 02, 2006, 03:02:52 PM
Quote from: 79jaybird on February 02, 2006, 01:01:30 PMI don't see anybody beating Augie during the remainder of the reg. season. .

I don't see it either, but then again I'm not making the trip to any of their games. I wouldn't be surprised if they lost one or two more. It's just too tough to get all the way through the CCIW.

Do you guys realize that no one has gone undefeated in the CCIW in 32 years! That means no one has ever done it since there's been a Division III. That's a lot of GREAT teams. Sikma's teams didn't do it. None of the great North Park teams did it. Wesleyan's national title winners didn't. Augie's two national runners-up didn't. Augie's great team with John Laing and Bruce Hamming didn't do it...oh, wait, yes they did. We're barely past the halfway point, and, while I'd obviously love to see it, I think we're getting way ahead of ourselves with talk of a perfect conference season.

P.S.
Johnny Augie, don't worry about your karma. Keeps ya from speakin' yer mind.

Dansand, you're right. Augie will not go undefeated. They will lose to NCC at NCC the last game of the regular season even if they are undefeated coming into to that game. You heard it here first!

augie_superfan · February 03, 2006, 02:35:30 AM

Alright Ypsi...I usually agree with your analysis on things. You usually take a statistic approach to things which I love since I was a physics/math major myself. But, please, I hope that you are joking about Adam WHUPPING Dee in the exhibition game...please.

Just so everyone is on the same page..

Dee: 3-10 shooting; 8 pts.; 7 assists; 2 TO

Dauksas: 4-11; 13 pts.; 5 assists; 4 TO

Doesn't sound like a WHUPPING to me, especially since they are point guards....also, it was an exhibition which I guarentee that IWU was taking much more intense than U of I.

Q, I see how you post your stats about Dauksas vs. Brown....ok, they are factual but that does not mean at all that Adam is a better candidate than Dee. You are usually very logical in your points but by just lisiting their respective stats, you are completely misconstruing these 2 players. Dee and Adam play different roles on their respective teams.

In my opinion, any comparison of these two players' stats is just unfair because it does not tell the whole story. If you look at the 2 players' stats, then Adam looks like the superior player....but, if you ask just about anyone that know anything about basketball, they will tell you that Dee is the MUCH better player.

I know that Ypsi and Q know this...they are too smart about basketball to know otherwise, but I think both of you are bending the facts in a really ridiculous way.

cardinalpride · February 03, 2006, 03:04:59 AM

Quote from: pistol on February 02, 2006, 05:45:03 PM
Wezzlyn fans complaining about how hot the gym was, slivers from the bleachers, white painted walls, how the place smells (last night it smelled like a AARP meeting). If you don't like NC gym you should stay at home and feed the pigs or sell some insurance.
How quickly you forget the arm pit that was Fred Young Fieldhouse. While attending the Jack (Never Showed Up) Sikma basketball camp a rat ate my lunch.
I did notice how no Wezzlyn fans complained about how poorly the game last night was officiated. Typical.

Pistol, I didn't want to mention the officiating down the stretch of the NCC/IWU game. However, since you mentioned it I feel obliged to bring it up again. In big games in the CCIW over the years, which ever team gets the calls in the 1st half of the game will not get the calls down the stretch in the second half of the game. There were several calls made/missed/overlooked down the stretch of that game in IWU's favor. A foul, 3 seconds, several over the backs(pushs).

thegreatest · February 03, 2006, 04:32:03 AM

wow....are Bowens and Shemerdiak really coming back to the team over at Carthage?

Titan Q · February 03, 2006, 08:11:30 AM

"Q, I see how you post your stats about Dauksas vs. Brown....ok, they are factual but that does not mean at all that Adam is a better candidate than Dee."

augie_superfan, I never said Dauksas is the better candidate. I just put their stats up there so people can compare what they do on a relative basis. As I understand it, the selection committee evaluates the candidates for what they do in their division...they do not necessarily adjust for the different caliber of play. This fact makes a statistical comparison pretty relevant.

You know that I know that Dee Brown's stats come vs Division 1 point-guards and Adam's come vs Division III guys. You also know that I know that Brown is going to get drafted this summer and Dauksas is going to get ready for law school. If I'm picking a team to play a pickup game, yes, I take Dee first!

Titan Q · February 03, 2006, 08:18:56 AM

Alright Ypsi...I usually agree with your analysis on things. You usually take a statistic approach to things which I love since I was a physics/math major myself. But, please, I hope that you are joking about Adam WHUPPING Dee in the exhibition game...please.

As far as Mr. Ypsi's comment about the Brown vs Dauksas matchup on Nov. 3, remember, this is the guy who picked IWU to go undefeated in the CCIW this season and then last week picked the 2 loss Titans to beat Augustana by 18+ points. One must add some kind of "Ypsi factor" when reading his stuff.

advoice · February 03, 2006, 08:23:56 AM

In regards to Coach Trost's wish for an 8 team tournament, a problem with the logic is that the first round of the tournament would most likely hurt your QWI by playing a team with a poor record.

Other levels have legislated to correct this problem by stating that a conference tournament game can only help your QWI, SOS or RPI (RPI used at other levels).

The other problem with an 8 team tournament is the format. Three days back to back is not the answer so it would most likely be Wed, Fri, Sat. This would lead to more missed class time and also a very tired champion as they attempt to play in the NCAA tournament the very next week.