MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Mr. Ypsi]

So if NCC and Elmhurst both win, then the IWU game doesn't even matter?  They could lose and finish 4th outright or win and finish fourth becuase of the tiebreaker.  Those are rough options.

No, if NCC and Elmhurst both win, IWU is 4th if they win, but 3rd if they lose!!

I'll assume the tie-breakers really do work out that way, but that is one bizarre situation to be in!

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

You forgot one, Q. 

What if North Park beats IWU, NCC beats Augustana and Wheaton wins their last two?

That leaves IWU, Wheaton and Elmhurst in a three way tie.  Head to head has them all tied at two, moving on to top to bottom records.  Wheaton is the only team of the three to beat Augustana; they get the 3 seed.  Between IWU and Elmhurst it comes all the way down to their records against Milikin.

1. Augustana
2. North Central
3. Wheaton
4. Illinois Wesleyan


Now that would be crazy!

[Brick]

Perhaps I should have learned to keep my mouth shut with predictions but I don't think we will even have to worry about NPU beating IWU...After Wed. night I wouldn't want to be playing the boys from bloomington.

[Pat Coleman]

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All:

Here's what Chris and I figured out this morning regarding tiebreaker assumptions for the men's basketball tournament:

-Assuming North Park beats IWU, North Central loses to Augustana and Wheaton beats Elmhurst and Carthage:

This would cause a four-way tie at 8-6 between IWU, WC, EC and NCC. Combined records amongst the four teams are NCC: 4-2; IWU and EC: 3-3; WC 2-4. This would give North Central the No. 2 seed and Wheaton would be out of the tournament. To break the tie between IWU and EC, we would look at their head-to-head records of teams above or below the tie. Against Augustana, both teams are 0-2; against North Central, 1-1; against Wheaton, 1-1; against Carthage 2-0. Millikin would break the tie because IWU finished 2-0 against the Big Blue, while Elmhurst was 1-1.

1. Augustana
2. North Central
3. Illinois Wesleyan
4. Elmhurst

I find this odd. I think every other conference tiebreaker I have seen for instances where more than two teams are tied, you go back to the top of the tiebreaker list after one team graduates out of the tie.

So in this instance, North Central would have been slotted second and you would start anew attempting to break a three-way tie between IWU, Elmhurst and Wheaton for the No. 3 spot.

[Pat Coleman]

You forgot one, Q. 

What if North Park beats IWU, NCC beats Augustana and Wheaton wins their last two?

Q didn't forget it, necessarily. He's quoting the conference office. Perhaps the CCIW forgot it.

If so, North Park should use it as a rallying cry. "See, even the conference office doesn't consider it possible for us to win this game. We'll show them!"

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

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All:

Here's what Chris and I figured out this morning regarding tiebreaker assumptions for the men's basketball tournament:

-Assuming North Park beats IWU, North Central loses to Augustana and Wheaton beats Elmhurst and Carthage:

This would cause a four-way tie at 8-6 between IWU, WC, EC and NCC. Combined records amongst the four teams are NCC: 4-2; IWU and EC: 3-3; WC 2-4. This would give North Central the No. 2 seed and Wheaton would be out of the tournament. To break the tie between IWU and EC, we would look at their head-to-head records of teams above or below the tie. Against Augustana, both teams are 0-2; against North Central, 1-1; against Wheaton, 1-1; against Carthage 2-0. Millikin would break the tie because IWU finished 2-0 against the Big Blue, while Elmhurst was 1-1.

1. Augustana
2. North Central
3. Illinois Wesleyan
4. Elmhurst

I find this odd. I think every other conference tiebreaker I have seen for instances where more than two teams are tied, you go back to the top of the tiebreaker list after one team graduates out of the tie.

So in this instance, North Central would have been slotted second and you would start anew attempting to break a three-way tie between IWU, Elmhurst and Wheaton for the No. 3 spot.

It ends the same way; maybe he just shortened it.

[Pat Coleman]

I don't believe so. I believe this tiebreaker scenario uses the Wheaton/North Central result to break an Elmhurst/IWU/Wheaton tie. Shouldn't the Elmhurst/IWU/Wheaton head-to-head results be used ahead of that?

I believe that's the logic behind other conferences doing it this way.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

If that scenario occurred Elmhurst/Wheaton/IWU would all have split with each other, so it moves on to the next one.

[cardinal20]

I would personally like to thank Q for posting all of the tiebreaker info. It will be very helpful for the broadcast on Saturday.

On a different topic, I tend to agree with Q about Wheaton and Carthage playing on Wednesday. It would be fine if everyone played that night and then the tourney was Friday, but that's not the case.

P.S. Congrats to Ray Vicario who now holds the NCC record for most 3's made in a season (64), and is currently in second place on the all-time list with 148.

[Pat Coleman]

If that scenario occurred Elmhurst/Wheaton/IWU would all have split with each other, so it moves on to the next one.

Sure. Not eliminating Wheaton, at least not yet.

Here's the deal -- even if it comes up with the same result, this is a precedent-setting decision for the CCIW, having never dealt with seeding a men's basketball tournament before. Who's to say that next time the wrong way will come up with the right result?

[dansand]

Interesting to note, Grey Giovanine is now 8-6 against the Titans and 6-4, I think, against Scott Trost.

I see my karma dropped another point after this post. Let's watch it really plummet when I mention that Jim Borcherding was 16-14 against Denny Bridges.    

[Mr. Ypsi]

Interesting to note, Grey Giovanine is now 8-6 against the Titans and 6-4, I think, against Scott Trost.

I see my karma dropped another point after this post. Let's watch it really plummet when I mention that Jim Borcherding was 16-14 against Denny Bridges.    

Heathen scum!

I 'applaud' for your sheer audacity!

[dansand]

Thanks Mr. Ypsi, some of my more religious friends would probably agree with your assessment...well, hopefully not the scum part.

[Mr. Ypsi]

dansand,

I must confess I was surprised to learn that ANY conference coach (at least for more than a year or two) had a winning record over Coach Bridges, since in 36 years he had a losing conference record ONCE (7-9 in 88-89).

Anyone know if any other coach had the upper hand on Dennie?

[dansand]

dansand,

I must confess I was surprised to learn that ANY conference coach (at least for more than a year or two) had a winning record over Coach Bridges, since in 36 years he had a losing conference record ONCE (7-9 in 88-89).

Anyone know if any other coach had the upper hand on Dennie?

Over any extended period of time, I doubt it. Borch (.783) and Bridges (.765) are first and second in all time CCIW winning percentage (for anyone who has coached more than one season) by a fair margin. Unfortunately for Borch, unlike Bridges, Bosko, and McCarrell, he was never quite able to win a national title, but he was a tremendous coach.