MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[sac]

Hope gives accurate counts as well.........they have a nice computer program that prints out the tickets right at the window, they'll ask for your name and it prints right out on your ticket, pretty snazzy


  Also its one of the few D3 places that actually has a ticket window and not two frat guys manning a table stolen from the library handing out raffle type  tickets.

......and then there's that reserved seating thing we have.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

not two frat guys manning a table stolen from the library handing out raffle type tickets.

At my alma mater that only happened for conference playoff games or really big rivalries.  The stolen table was a luxury (although it was usually stolen from the concession "stands" and not the library.  We valued learning far too much for that.

[AndOne]

Thanks for the info gentlemen.
I haven't visited any of the schools mentioned. There are prob a few more that provide accurate counts.
From what I have seen, I'd bet most schools are more concerned with whatever $ they take in, and attendance is secondary and therefore just estimated. Thats based partly on seeing so many attendance figures given as something ending in 25, 50, 75, or 0 (multiples of 10 or 25).

Hoops--You mentioned "only at conference playoff games"---That has a nice ring to it. I'd be happy my team was good enough to play in that type game. The heck with the attendance!   

[tjcummingsfan]

Keene State also does a good job selling "professional-looking tickets" and so I would assume keep a pretty accurate head-count as well. 

And North Park, as much as their estimates are probably wrong do have an actual ticket booth!

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Hey, I'm a CCC guy, we have an 8 team playoff in a 12 team league.  It's all you crazy conferences with the four teams only playoff rule that makes me laugh.

[joehakes]

HF,

As you know, we don't want anybody to feel bad.  Hey, everybody gets a trophy at the end of the year!!!!!!!!!!!  Hurray!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[AndOne]

Well, the CCIW, arguably the best D3 conference in the nation, didn't even have an end of season tourney until last year when North Central College won the inaugural tournament championship. Only the top 4 of the 8 teams quality.

[chizwiz]

And in most conferences, a 4-team playoff system will suffice.  But, at least this season and possibly a few previous years, the system might be excluding a team that could possibly (and I mean POSSIBLY) make a run at the conf. tourney championship.  I am in no way hinting that the CCIW go to an 8-team playoff.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

One.  You know I'm just joking, right?  Please don't take my jabs at 4-team playoffs seriously.  Honestly, if there's only 8 teams and you play a full round robin, I see no need for a tournament period.

And Joe doesn't get to give an opinion right now because his team is going to be winning the CCC tournament for the forseeable future.

[AndOne]

One nice thing about a conference tourney (the CCIW anyway) is that it gives another team a chance to qualify for the NCAA national D3 Big Dance. With the conference being so good, the regular season champ is almost certainly going to get in. However, the conference tourney winner gets an automatic bid  to the national tournament. It played out that way last season when Augustana won the regular season. North Central which had finished second during the regular season got the automatic bid by winning the conference tourney. Augie got a bid based on their regular season championship, and IWU who was the forth place finisher in the regular season also received a bid and went on to finish 3rd. 

[Titan Q]

I am flying to Hanover tomorrow with a fellow IWU alum who is a pilot in this bad boy...

http://www.iwuhoops.com/plane.jpg


I've made the 5 1/2 hour drive twice and the 60 minute flight time is too tempting to pass on.  If I go down, speak well of me here on CCIW Chat!

[David Collinge]

I am flying to Hanover tomorrow with a fellow IWU alum who is a pilot in this bad boy...

http://www.iwuhoops.com/plane.jpg


I've made the 5 1/2 hour drive twice and the 60 minute flight time is too tempting to pass on.  If I go down, speak well of me here on CCIW Chat!

Hmmm...first Hanover, next it'll be Salem, then California, then a golfing trip to Scotland, and the next thing you know you'll be in Congress!   

[ecdubb420]

Grinnell basketball should be outlawed (unless it is on an intramural court or in a pickup game).
Great win for EC.  How was Whitewater preseason #4?   They do not have a single player who can carry a team, though Perry is one hell of a player, he just doesn't have that dominating offensive game a top-five team needs.
In the first half this game had zero energy.  Both teams were not only playing timid, but just looked to be going through the motions.  I guess they may have been saving energy for the 2nd half after playing the night before, but it was a boring game to watch.  
The real fireworks started in the second half when Elmhurst really took control of the game with what was really a 6 man rotation.  Burks, Michael, Ruch, Lee, Aloisio and Bacon were all EC needed tonight as those ballplayers played lights out and controlled the ballgame.  
How good were they?  Scored 96 of 98 points.  Shot 59% from the floor (4-6 beyond the arc) and 83% from the stripe (including 89% in the 2nd half).  Not only that, they only committed 12 fouls in 165 minutes played.  Needless to say, they beat Whitewater at their own game; team ball.
Whitewater as said earlier, doesn't have a go to scorer and their incredible depth actually looks like it is hurting them.  How can depth hurt a team you ask?  It doesn't allow a team to gel.  It doesn't allow a core set of players get comfortable playing on the floor at the same time, and who could forget it asks players to press because they are fighting for playing time.  Then again, the pluses are also vast, but these three jumped out in the EC game.  
This game really changed when EC subsituted Pat Bacon on the floor with 16min to go.   He proceeded to score 5 points adding a key assist in the next 4 minutes, giving Elmhurst its first offensive boost of the ballgame.  From there on out, with Michael and Burks, the team was unstoppable dropping in 26 in nine minutes busting the game wide open and extending their lead from 2 to 14.  They also went to a zone that took advantage of Whitewater's inability to hit the outside shot.
Simply put, they had three guys (Michael, Burks and Bacon) who pronounced themselves as "go-to" in the second half and there isn't a team in the country that can be stopped when they have three players going at the same time (unless they are playing Grinnell).
With this trio and a little, Ruch, Lee and Aloisio, Whitewater was off balance defensively and got into early foul trouble (with Perry and Toellner picking up #4 in the middle of the half).  That made Coach Miller have to search ever further for a solid rotation and the results were visible.

At 7-1, and headed to Florida for games against Gwynedd-Mercy and Albion, this team looks poised to achieve the most non-conference wins since Scherer took over.  Interesting note, the last time EC started a season 7-1 (03-04) they finished 3-11 in the CCIW.  

That being said, it is still way to early to know what this team will be all about, but I agree with many who feel that EC can contend for the CCIW crown.  They have an incredible inside-outside game, they are very diciplined on the offensive end, they maybe getting back a player with all-conference abilities, and they get both IWU and Augie at home early in conference play.  However, they still struggle against pressure defense, tend to give up offensive boards and 3's in bunches, and are still looking for solid contributions from someone outside their top 7.  

I hope the NCC guys get a case of broadcasting fever and spread some early christmas cheer by covering a fellow CCIW schools games while in Florida.  

Great win for Carthage, EC is looking forward to the challenge of Augie, Carthage and IWU to start the CCIW season.

[augiefan]

NCC trounced Benedictine tonight 74-54. Let's hope the CCIW roles into the New Year with a lot more wins in the next 2 weeks.

[augiefan]

I also want to thank Titan Q for putting the whammy on Augie with his post about a clean sweep of the WIAC by the CCIW, if Augie can beat UWStevens Point. With Rose and Dain Swetalla probably out for that game, beating the highly ranked Pointers on their home court might be a little too much to expect of the Vikings. Heck even with Rose and Swetalla, it would be quite an accomplishment for Augie to eke out a victory.