MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[AndOne]

Lincoln hammered North Central, 75-53, in the Orlando Shootout.

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=3989.msg641984#msg641984
   
Re: CCIW in-game updates
« Reply #1687 on: Yesterday at 10:16:37 pm
   
Final from Orlando:

Lincoln--75
NCC-----53

Turnover city + poor shooting on the part of NCC.
It sounded even worse on the radio

GS---I posted the final at 9:16 CST in In Game Updates
        Should I have put it here instead?

[Gregory Sager]

No harm in putting it in both places, AO. I always make sure to mention any finals that weren't previously posted here, though, as there's no guarantee that everyone who reads CCIW Chat also reads the in-game updates room as well.

[Gregory Sager]

Coe led from wire to wire, with the exception of a single tie at 13-13 with about eight minutes to go in the first half. The Vikings never let Coe pull away, as a Uriah Rice trey with 2:23 left cut the Kohawks' lead to 60-53, but Coe went 8-8 from the line in the last two minutes while the Vikings were clanking four trey attempts at the other end.

NPU shot atrociously -- 34.9% from the field, 21.1% from beyond the arc -- for the second straight night. This time the Park paid for it, mostly because unlike last night's Lake Forest game the Vikings couldn't win the battle of the boards. The bigger Kohawks outrebounded North Park, 37-33. Up until now, NPU has been able to work its way out of predicaments in which the Vikes have been outshot and/or outrebounded by using defensive pressure to force more turnovers from the opponent. However, that strategy didn't work tonight; Coe turned the ball over 18 times, but that wasn't enough to offset NPU's poor shooting and ineffective boardwork.

Sheldon Evans was the only Viking to score in double figures with 16, but it took him 16 shots from the field and 7 FT attempts to get those 16 points. Anytime you have a 1:1 ratio of points to FG attempts, you're not doing well no matter how much you end up tallying in the scorebook.

NPU comes out of a weak non-conference schedule with an 8-3 record. That's not necessarily a good thing. While I am not a believer that comparative scores are overly meaningful, it's nonetheless troubling that the Vikes have had so much difficulty with teams such as Coe and Rockford that other CCIW teams have trampled. I'm less optimistic about NPU's prospects than I was a couple of weeks ago. The Vikings have a lot of work ahead of them if they're going to live up to their promise of being a competitive team in January and February.

[dansand]

Not much to add to what's already been said about Augie's win over Rockford. The only thing that kept it as close as 34 points was a bad shooting night by the Vikings. Delp couldn't buy one and the whole team missed a lot of layups and follow tips.

Not to kick a team when they're down, because I know the school's going through some rough times, but Rockford is bad...really bad. No size. No shooting. Augie went through a stretch in the second half when they were having trouble getting defensive rebounds in part because the Regents' awful shots were coming off the rim (when they hit the rim) at such goofy angles. Here's a quote by their coach in the local paper this morning: "I've got the worst team in Illinois; we're 1-12 (1-7 actually), can I just get my sh***y team outta here?" Nice.

The word I heard is that Dain could've played if needed. That decision was a no-brainer. Hopefully 10 days will be time enough for Rukavina to recover. He walked off the court on his own, so maybe it's not too bad. The jayvee guys looked good in mop up time. I think they probably could have beaten the Regents by 15 or 20.

[Gregory Sager]

Not to kick a team when they're down, because I know the school's going through some rough times, but Rockford is bad...really bad. No size. No shooting.

Rockford's shooting percentage from the field this season is a woeful .359, and their trey shooting is an equally woeful .316. Take away that out-of-their-minds, let's-win-a-game-of-H-O-R-S-E shooting night that the Regents had in the crackerbox against NPU two weeks ago, and those numbers drop precipitously to .338 and .285, respectively. So North Park's got that hanging over Brenegan & Co.'s heads, too.

Here's a quote by their coach in the local paper this morning: "I've got the worst team in Illinois; we're 1-12 (1-7 actually), can I just get my sh***y team outta here?" Nice.

All things considered, I have a strong suspicion that Rockford coach Ryan Rebsome has already made his trip to Kinko's to print out new copies of his resume.

[markerickson]

DS:  Which paper? 

Given that their coach has essentially quit, perhaps the players will cease to play.

[79jaybird]

Whoa nelly,  what ever happened to having faith in your team?  Sheesh!  With a coach's attitude like that, no wonder guys don't want to come and play for him. 

[mwunder]

#9 Lawrence (4-2 for purposes of week 4's poll) loses at home to #25 Carthage (6-1), who has previous wins over #10 Calvin and #5 Hope in Kenosha, but Carthage is still ranked lower than Lawrence?  That's certainly something the red and black fans don't understand (or at least this red and black fan anyway).

I'm a little late on this...

Prior to Week 4's poll and (wk 3, #25) Carthage's win over (wk 3, #9) Lawrence, LU had 355 points and Carthage had 69.  Each played one game for the week, against each other.  In the new poll, (wk 4, #14) LU dropped 122 points, while (wk 4, #18) Carthage gained 123 points.  That's not enough?  All because one team beats another team doesn't mean they should automatically jump them in the rankings...it's relative on where they were before the meeting.

You know what, you're right.  Take the Wooster loss last night for example.  Do I think the team from CA should be ranked #1 now because they beat Wooster?  No.  As for the Carthage / Lawrence game, one could make a better case that Carthage should be ranked ahead of the Vikings.  It wasn't an unranked team with 4 previous losses that beat the favorite.  It was a ranked team with one loss (a bad one at that) who went on the road and beat the favorite in their gym.  Yes, they swapped points, and I guess that is enough, but it could be argued that Carthage should be ranked higher than LU (which they will be in the Week #5 poll based on Carthage's 2 wins and LU's loss to UWO).

[Titan Q]

The North Central/Lincoln boxscore:

http://www2.noctrl.edu/athlet/basketball_m/06-07/rdv03.htm


Preseason All-American Anthony Simmons did not start.  Raridon's frontline was Daniel Walton/Chris Drennan/Adam Krumtinger.   Simmons came off the bench to go 1-5 from the field in 19 minutes (4 points, 4 assists).  In the win over Benedictine Monday, Simmons started and took just one shot (1-1 FG) in 16 minutes.  He has made two FG in the last two games.

Last year Simmons averaged 18.5 ppg and 6.6 rpg.  This year through 8 games he is averaging 13.7 and 6.0.

What's going on there?  Injury?  Doghouse? 

[Titan Q]

Zach Freeman is stacking up well vs the other centers from the D3hoops.com preseason All-American team...


Isaac Rosefeldt, St. Thomas (6-9/215, Sr) -- 16.7 ppg, 11.2 rpg, 42-71, .592

Jason Boone, New York U. (6-6/257, Sr) -- 12. 1 ppg, 9.0 rpg, 27-41 FG, .649

Zach Freeman, IWU (6-7/210, Sr) -- 21.0 ppg, 10.8 rpg, 80-121 FG, .661

(couldn't find stats on the 4th teamer from Muhlenberg)


http://www.d3hoops.com/tow/menpreallam07.htm


Zach is the best Division III player I've seen so far this season.

[martin]

Q -

This from the Muhlenberg web site:

The returning frontcourt features seniors Jeff Stewart, Justin Fields and Jimmie Riggins. Stewart, an All-CC first-team selection who will be out for the first semester, has averaged a double-double the last two seasons and enters his senior year ninth on Muhlenberg's all-time scoring list with 1,345 points.

You can find stats for the Mules here on the website of the Centennial Conference.

[ecdubb420]

looking at past MOP in the CCIW for 13 of the last 15 years, the winning team has also had the MOP (or co-MOP).  Looking at a team like Augie, if they run the table or go 13-1 in conference, will that stay true?  I'm just saying because on my weekly All-CCIW teams (hard to judge without watching all the teams, take note top 25 voters), I'm struggling to have them place someone in the top two teams. 
I still think that the CCIW should have some sort of All-Media team, maybe SID's, Radio casters, local newspaper, etc.  Anyone know if that exists anywhere on the D3 level?  If not, why not show the country that the CCIW cares about its sports just a little bit more than anyone else.

[Rock Chalk DuHawk]

Is North Park going to be a contender this season in the CCIW?  They have played well as of early but do they have to dogs to keep it up in a tough conference all year?

[Greek Tragedy]

You know what, you're right.  Take the Wooster loss last night for example.  Do I think the team from CA should be ranked #1 now because they beat Wooster?  No. 

That can't happen anyway since the California team they lost to isn't even in the NCAA.  They are NAIA. 

As for the Carthage / Lawrence game, one could make a better case that Carthage should be ranked ahead of the Vikings.  It wasn't an unranked team with 4 previous losses that beat the favorite.  It was a ranked team with one loss (a bad one at that) who went on the road and beat the favorite in their gym.  Yes, they swapped points, and I guess that is enough, but it could be argued that Carthage should be ranked higher than LU (which they will be in the Week #5 poll based on Carthage's 2 wins and LU's loss to UWO).

I still don't think there is an agrument where Carthage beats LU and then has the ability to leapfrog LU based on that one game.  Had both Carthage and LU played other games and Carthage won both of them and LU lost both of them, then you'd have an argument.

[AndOne]

The North Central/Lincoln boxscore:

http://www2.noctrl.edu/athlet/basketball_m/06-07/rdv03.htm


Preseason All-American Anthony Simmons did not start.  Raridon's frontline was Daniel Walton/Chris Drennan/Adam Krumtinger.   Simmons came off the bench to go 1-5 from the field in 19 minutes (4 points, 4 assists).  In the win over Benedictine Monday, Simmons started and took just one shot (1-1 FG) in 16 minutes.  He has made two FG in the last two games.

Last year Simmons averaged 18.5 ppg and 6.6 rpg.  This year through 8 games he is averaging 13.7 and 6.0.

What's going on there?  Injury?  Doghouse? 

Simmons has a high ankle sprain sustained last week. The degree of which renders him to barely be able to run at this point. I think he just went as long as he could last night. Time for some of the other players to step up and fill the void until he can fully recover.