MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Late nite]

In response to AO---Quit whining---I was at the game and it was very physical and both teams played great defense---The officials did the right thing at the end of the game and let the players decide the outcome---The last 8 seconds were no different than the rest of the game where there was constant contact by both sides while shooting the ball, fighting through screens or making cuts through the lane---bottom line---Augies's shot went in, NC did not---The two teams are so evenly matched that I would expect the exact kind of game when the Cards visit Augie---This race is far from over

[tjcummingsfan]

79jaybird,

I hope you mean by your "influential player" comment that North Park is as much in this race as anyone.  If not then I think that needs to be said.  They've proven they can win big games on the road (NCC, and IWU), and almost took home a win from your bluejays at our place.  With a little less than half the season left I think NP could quite possibly be part of that 4 team field.  It may be a long shot, but its still possible.

[AndOne]

Late---

Thank you for your thoughtful and measured response to what I had thought was an honest question. I tried hard not to ask my question in the whining tone you suggest.
However, I can completely understand your assertion that I was whining as thats probably the easiest thing to say when someone questions an official's call.

Your indication that there was "constant contact" throughout the game at least partially supports my contention that there was the distinct possibility that a foul occured on the final play. If you feel otherwise, a simple "there was no foul" will suffice, and I'll just assume you had a better view than I did.

You are absolutely right on when you say the race is far from over.

[OurHouse]

You can actually thank OurHouse for the Thunder's change of heart Saturday evening. I sent them a copy of his post refering to the team as "garbage" and they took it from there. I was driving home from Columbia, South Carolina that night and could only call WETN to get updates on the game. From the very beginning I could sense that Wheaton was playing like a "team on fire."

Ya gotta love the CCIW!

Wheatonfan:

If you look back at my post, I said Wheaton is a "garbage" team without Raymond - you have to ask yourself, "could the bulls win 6 rings without Mike Jordan"?

The answer is the BIG, "NO" - why was Pippen calling for Jordan to come back? Because the Bulls where a "garbage" team without Jordan. Ask yourself if that other smaller guard on Wheaton can carry the team - I DON'T THINK SO     

I must congratulate them for beating Elmhurst though   

hey outhouse,

the only garbage on here is your continued condescensing reference to  players. the fact is if you take away any teams best player that team isn't nearly as good. wheaton is still a good team without Raymond (they are 3-0 without him this year). if you want to have that debate then then post with civilized words and I am quite sure most on here will engage.  When you continually denigrate a program and its players with your choice of words you aren't going to get very far.

I have made positive comments on Raymond - I have not made any negative reference to any other player, by name, on the Wheaton team. I'm stating that Wheaton is a "non-impact" team without Raymond - I stated that the "other guards" on the team are non-impact guards.

Wheaton cannot compete for the crown jewels or compete for the pinnacle of pinnacles or that national treasure of gold without him playing.

This is not to hide the facts of the way it is because thats just the way it is    8)

[AndOne]

79jaybird,

I hope you mean by your "influential player" comment that North Park is as much in this race as anyone.  If not then I think that needs to be said.  They've proven they can win big games on the road (NCC, and IWU), and almost took home a win from your bluejays at our place.  With a little less than half the season left I think NP could quite possibly be part of that 4 team field.  It may be a long shot, but its still possible.

tj---

As a NCC fan I absolutely agree with your comments about NPU. They are vastly improved from previous years, and are both talented and athletic. Its definately possible that they could end up in the conference tourney. In fact, at this juncture of the season, I think EVERY team is still in the hunt for a conference tourney position. Just another indication of the overall strength of the CCIW.

[Late nite]

My apologies---THE OFFICIALS saw no foul, just like many other possesions during the game

Late---

Thank you for your thoughtful and measured response to what I had thought was an honest question. I tried hard not to ask my question in the whining tone you suggest.
However, I can completely understand your assertion that I was whining as thats probably the easiest thing to say when someone questions an official's call.

Your indication that there was "constant contact" throughout the game at least partially supports my contention that there was the distinct possibility that a foul occured on the final play. If you feel otherwise, a simple "there was no foul" will suffice, and I'll just assume you had a better view than I did.

You are absolutely right on when you say the race is far from over.

[robberki]

I think as long as North Park plays hard AND smart the rest of the season, there's no reason to think they won't be in the conference tourney. The Wheaton game was a bit of a surprise, I think our guys just took them too lightly and I'm sure Coach Brenegan won't let that happen at Wheaton's place. As for Elmhurst, sometimes in a close game you lose to good teams, that just happens. But I definately think it can be a different result at Elmhurst.
As we saw with Elmhurst, any team that plays North Park seems to struggle the next game, NPU softens these teams up a bit because of their tough, athletic style of play.

[79jaybird]

when I said "influential player" I mean that North Park is right there with the best of them.  They have a couple of big games to win to really "get there", but the Vikings are up and coming fast.

[usee]

As we saw with Elmhurst, any team that plays North Park seems to struggle the next game, NPU softens these teams up a bit because of their tough, athletic style of play.

there is zero proof for this. didn't happen to wheaton. didn't happen to ncc. didn't happen to millikin. I don't think there is any "softening" in the cciw schedule and I find it hard to believe NPU is any tougher game to play than vs. 6 or 7 other lineups in the CCIW. The reality is there is a lot of strength in the league and no one can take a night off, not even NPU.

[usee]

You can actually thank OurHouse for the Thunder's change of heart Saturday evening. I sent them a copy of his post refering to the team as "garbage" and they took it from there. I was driving home from Columbia, South Carolina that night and could only call WETN to get updates on the game. From the very beginning I could sense that Wheaton was playing like a "team on fire."

Ya gotta love the CCIW!

Wheatonfan:

If you look back at my post, I said Wheaton is a "garbage" team without Raymond - you have to ask yourself, "could the bulls win 6 rings without Mike Jordan"?

The answer is the BIG, "NO" - why was Pippen calling for Jordan to come back? Because the Bulls where a "garbage" team without Jordan. Ask yourself if that other smaller guard on Wheaton can carry the team - I DON'T THINK SO     

I must congratulate them for beating Elmhurst though   

hey outhouse,

the only garbage on here is your continued condescensing reference to  players. the fact is if you take away any teams best player that team isn't nearly as good. wheaton is still a good team without Raymond (they are 3-0 without him this year). if you want to have that debate then then post with civilized words and I am quite sure most on here will engage.  When you continually denigrate a program and its players with your choice of words you aren't going to get very far.

I have made positive comments on Raymond - I have not made any negative reference to any other player, by name, on the Wheaton team. I'm stating that Wheaton is a "non-impact" team without Raymond - I stated that the "other guards" on the team are non-impact guards.

Wheaton cannot compete for the crown jewels or compete for the pinnacle of pinnacles or that national treasure of gold without him playing.

This is not to hide the facts of the way it is because thats just the way it is    8)

Again, what's your point? take the best player off any team in D3 and they are not likely to compete for the "crown jewels" or "national treasure"

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

As we saw with Elmhurst, any team that plays North Park seems to struggle the next game, NPU softens these teams up a bit because of their tough, athletic style of play.

there is zero proof for this. didn't happen to wheaton. didn't happen to ncc. didn't happen to millikin. I don't think there is any "softening" in the cciw schedule and I find it hard to believe NPU is a tougher game to play than 6 or 7 other venues in the CCIW. The reality is there is a lot of strength in the league and no one can take a night off, not even NPU.

I don't see how the response addressed the issue raised in the first place.  The comment was about NPU's style of play, not the venue.  Maybe I missed something.  Could you clarify?

[usee]

As we saw with Elmhurst, any team that plays North Park seems to struggle the next game, NPU softens these teams up a bit because of their tough, athletic style of play.

there is zero proof for this. didn't happen to wheaton. didn't happen to ncc. didn't happen to millikin. I don't think there is any "softening" in the cciw schedule and I find it hard to believe NPU is a tougher game to play than 6 or 7 other venues in the CCIW. The reality is there is a lot of strength in the league and no one can take a night off, not even NPU.

I don't see how the response addressed the issue raised in the first place.  The comment was about NPU's style of play, not the venue.  Maybe I missed something.  Could you clarify?

agreed. I edited my original post to be more clear.

[robberki]

I have plenty of evidence. Most of it is circumstancial and hearsay, but those are types of evidence.

[79jaybird]

hearsay, "dirty birds" and the "galloping ghosts" are not very RELIABLE ways of acquiring information.  They are like noses or opinions, everybody's got one and when you try to relay the info to a 3rd party/source, things always get changed.
Fact is, there is nothing soft about the CCIW and the top teams in this conference.  By no means does playing NPU (whether you win or lose) does it make you soft.  The same Elmhurst team that beat Augie, beat NPU and lost to Wheaton stayed the same.  Elmhurst beat Augie and NPU because they executed.  They lost to Wheaton because they did not execute and missed some shots early in the game. Nowhere does NPU's play make a team soft.  no way, no how.
Nothing soft about Augie/Elm,  Wheaton/NPU  NC/ and the others.

[robberki]

I stand by my comments.