MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[AndOne]

I think the officiating has been pretty abysmal in the CCIW this season. It really seems bad, not sure what isi going on...

Good morning class--------   

Webster's defines several as "more than 2 but fewer than many."

A generally accepted mathematical definition is between 3 and 8.

Given that I attend a high school game every Tues & Fri night, I have seen many
games this season.

During those many games, I have seen several high school officials that I believe could do at least as good of a job as several of the CCIW's officials are doing this season.

Class dismissed.   

[Dennis_Prikkel]

With regards to Coach Raridon,  I respect his willingness to "go to bat" for his players.  However,  NC was still a few buckets from catching Elmhurst. Then the foul on Simmons and the ensuing double T and ejection, really made it difficult for NC to fight after that.  I don't think it was the right "time or moment" for Raridon to voice his disagreement.    I think he should have either called a timeout and ask to speak to the officials in a calm matter,  or wait until after the game to discuss his concerns.  Getting double T'd and tossed I think had a harmful effect on the players who were battling to get back into the game. 

Were you even at the game?

Catch-up !!?

the Raridon melt-down occured with 10 seconds left in the game and ELmhurst with the ball and ahead by 10 points.

Catch-up !!?  or Ketchup.

MW

[usee]

With regards to Q's scenario of IWU making a run at the #4 spot, i don't think it is at all improbable. In fact I think only the top 2 spots are close to locks. Wheaton at #3 has too many conference road games left (5--including at the top 2) to be considered any kind of favorite for the conference tourney. The first big road test for the Thunder is at NCC Saturday. Then they host 2 games next week before playing 4 of their final 5 games on the road to close the conference slate. At this point its anybody's game for #3, 4 in the conference tourney.

[usee]

Scott Trost was at the Elmhurst/NC game, however he was wearing a RED SHIRT!!

Red and White are the colors of Lewis U. 

[David Collinge]

With regards to Coach Raridon,  I respect his willingness to "go to bat" for his players.  However,  NC was still a few buckets from catching Elmhurst. Then the foul on Simmons and the ensuing double T and ejection, really made it difficult for NC to fight after that.  I don't think it was the right "time or moment" for Raridon to voice his disagreement.    I think he should have either called a timeout and ask to speak to the officials in a calm matter,  or wait until after the game to discuss his concerns.  Getting double T'd and tossed I think had a harmful effect on the players who were battling to get back into the game. 

Were you even at the game?

Catch-up !!?

the Raridon melt-down occured with 10 seconds left in the game and ELmhurst with the ball and ahead by 10 points.

Catch-up !!?  or Ketchup.

MW

Definitely the latter...

[AndOne]

Dennis----

See reply #8719 above. I already reminded 79jaybird of the score and time remaining (8 seconds) at the time of the double T. I too wondered about a comeback from 10 down in 8 seconds.

[79jaybird]

Usee, thanks I did not know that.  All is forgiven.  
Yes I was at the game, and yes I forgot about the time.
Mr. Krumtinger and I were discussing after the game about the CCIW Tournament.  I think he has a good point that this year, would be a great example of why we both agree that the CCIW Tourney should have all 8 teams in.  Could you imagine if all 8 schools were participating this year?  I mean even Millikin who is struggling this year to get CCIW wins, is still capable of beating anybody, any given night.

[79jaybird]

"10 down with 8 seconds" hmm, it could happen, and probably could have happened to my HS team which somehow found a way to lose a game with 25 seconds leading by 8. 

[AndOne]

Usee, thanks I did not know that.  All is forgiven.   
Yes I was at the game, and yes I forgot about the time.
Mr. Krumtinger and I were discussing after the game about the CCIW Tournament.  I think he has a good point that this year, would be a great example of why we both agree that the CCIW Tourney should have all 8 teams in.  Could you imagine if all 8 schools were participating this year?  I mean even Millikin who is struggling this year to get CCIW wins, is still capable of beating anybody, any given night.

As last night's Wesleyan-Augie and Carthage-NPU scores indicate, in the CCIW its anyones game on any given night.

[Late nite]

Augie will be ready to play---They haven't forgotten how they were out-played in the first match-up---They will not give up 80 points this time---Won't happen---This is an experienced, tourney-tested group that is tough to beat in a close game---They aren't pretty, but they'll be motivated---Should be fun to watch

I agree that for some unknown reason the CCIW officials seem to have the "need" to be a Major part of the game.  This is wrong.  Officials are there to control the game in terms of fair play, but you must let the players decide the outcome of the game.  For example, in Wheaton Saturday the officials were so whistle happy there was no flow to the game.  The players for both sides couldn't get into a rhythm.
Last night, the officials were inconsistent again.  One moment they would let the players play, scrambling around for loose balls... then the next moment they would call (a very poor) touchy foul on Simmons.  Either call it all, or don't call it at all. 
The EC big guys are great at rebounding and provide a great presence, however the one "ticky tack" about them, is that they are a little inconsistent.  Their "hibernation" in the first half at Wheaton, put them down early.  They weren't hibernating last night, but didn't really turn it "on" until the second half.

Saturday's matchup is a doozy!  I think EC can neutralize Dain inside, it's Wessels and Delp that I think EC has to be concerned with.  These two were the main reasons why Augie came back strong at Elmhurst.  I think the first 10 minutes is really going to be important.  EC has been known to come out of the gates rather quietly,  and I don't think they can afford to do this in R.I.
I know this is still pretty early,  but what do you all think of the CCIW getting 3 teams into the big dance again?  I think Elmhurst, Augie, and (perhaps 1 more) would do very well in the NCAA Tourney. 

[AndOne]

Scott Trost was at the Elmhurst/NC game, however he was wearing a RED SHIRT!!

Red and White are the colors of Lewis U. 

Actually, Trost, who was sitting with Julie Raridon, was wearing red in support of North Central.   

[knarocky22]

Several of the officials I have seen at Augie also officiated some of my high school games in the SICA (Chicagoland area).  They weren't very good then, and obviously haven't gotten much better.  That being said, I thought the officials did a pretty good job last night in the Augie-IWU game.

[usee]

Scott Trost was at the Elmhurst/NC game, however he was wearing a RED SHIRT!!

Red and White are the colors of Lewis U. 

Actually, Trost, who was sitting with Julie Raridon, was wearing red in support of North Central.   

That doesn't change the fact that Red and White are the colors of Lewis U.  8)

[coebball70]

Todd Raridon's meltdown tonight displayed a significant lack of class and character.  It is apparent that the road atmosphere of the CCIW is something he is going to have to adjust to over time.  North Central didn't lose tonight because of the officiating, they lost because their defense was poor.  I hope the Cardinals filmed the game so Raridon can see the example he set before several key high school coaches and possible senior recruits that attended the game.

Coebball------

Do you have the whole story?

Maybe the coach was justified in his action.

Several of the officials think their first name is God rather than their given name of Idiot.

Lastly, ever consider that Raridon's actions could be viewed by coaches and recruits as those of a guy who will stand up for hiself and his team?

I rest my case.

There's no excuse for losing your cool and getting tossed....."defending your team", maybe your team needed to be the one defending.  Yes, I totally agree that the 5th foul on Simmons was b.s., especially considering the physicality of the Bluejays post players.  But, before giving Simmons the T I distinctly saw the referee warn Simmons to return to the huddle and be quiet...Simmons continued to berate the ref and the T occurred.  With regard to Raridon, no I did not hear what was said to him by the ref...but having a mid-court tantrum does not lend itself to professionalism and winning attitude.  It's basicly a coach who is saying "it's all about me"...I've been slighted and I won't accept it!  Raridon lost it because he knows 4 losses puts his team in a big hole for a possible NCAA at-large bid.  I have watched the CCIW weekly for 3 consecutive seasons and this is the first time I have seen a coach tossed from the game.  Is that the kind of example to set for high school seniors considering North Central.  I personally don't think so.  And, I bet Raridon would agree.

[79jaybird]

"actually Trost was wearing red in support of NC"...
Then how come he was sitting on the Elmhurst side of the building

Well, the Raridon fiasco is done and overwith and I think he will reconsider his actions next time a situation like this presents itself.
Late Nite-- If this Augie team is a tournament tested group then how come they didn't show that Tournament toughness at Elmhurst?
I agree this is a talented Augie team and (like Elmhurst) has some great players that will shine in the NCAA's, but they still have to execute and play.  I didn't see that execution in the Augie/EC game at Elmhurst.