MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[OurHouse]

EM-----

Finally something we can agree on.
Congrats to your son if he has all A's---very hard to do. A true student-athlete.
As far as the officiating------> 

I hope you didn't interpret what i said as i'm feeling like i'm blaming them for team's losses...i'm not, i am just frustrated with how inconsistent every game is...one game we can't barely play a full minute without a whistle and the next game they're calling stuff that is so far reaching that they might as well have blown the whistle at me. 
[/quote]

OMG, quit whining about refs - it is a tough job especially in how fast and rough these kids play - refs get no breaks because everyone sees things a bit different from the stands espcially from different angles and if you wear glasses, it gets worse    8)

It is the way it is so let it go, "MOM"....

[Cheer4Carthage]

A slightly different subject, I am getting pretty sick of some of the big men in this conference acting like they are "too cool for school" during warmups. I don't remember Kasten, Moo, Wiertel, or heck, even me, behaving that way. The attitude on some of these guys in shocking. Loaf around during warm ups, jack up 3's from 5 feet behind the line with that slow, "I'm never going to shoot like this in the real game but everyone wants to know how much of a stud I am so I'll do it while I have a captive audience" motion, go over to the webcast table and check out stats, clown around in the layup line, try to block other players layups and then have a big laugh about it,  and it's always the big men. What's the deal there?

I think it is unfair to rip apart the "big guys" for how they warmup...after all they are warmups and everybody has a different routine for how they get into a rhythm or set for a game.  And if they aren't shooting all nonchalantly when it actually counts--which in case you forgot, is during the actual game--why do you care?  Not quite sure what you meant about "clowning around," because I don't quite see that...I mean God forbid if these guys are actually having fun while they are playing the sport they love.  It is supposed to be fun, isn't it.  Don't be bitter because your time to shine is over.  Simply mentioning how you played or would have played is just as condesending.  One last thing--"too cool for school?"  Really?  Don't date yourself--no one says things like that anymore...

[Mugsy]

I think it is unfair to rip apart the "big guys" for how they warmup...after all they are warmups and everybody has a different routine for how they get into a rhythm or set for a game.  And if they aren't shooting all nonchalantly when it actually counts--which in case you forgot, is during the actual game--why do you care?  Not quite sure what you meant about "clowning around," because I don't quite see that...I mean God forbid if these guys are actually having fun while they are playing the sport they love.  It is supposed to be fun, isn't it.  Don't be bitter because your time to shine is over.  Simply mentioning how you played or would have played is just as condesending.  One last thing--"too cool for school?"  Really?  Don't date yourself--no one says things like that anymore...

Well don't come on here and refute someone's opinion because "your time to shine is over" or they are "dated".  Implying an opinion doesn't matter because you are old is ridiculous and absurd.  Your comments in bold are nonsensical.  If you would have stopped your post prior to taking a whack at anyone who no longer is playing or of playing age, then the content of your post is worth considering.

Not a good way to start on your first post, IMO.

[Cheer4Carthage]

Simply mentioning how you played or would have played is just as condesending.  I did not mean that by being old someone's opinion did not matter...what i meant was that claiming that certain players act in a pompous way and then stating how you would have done things is just as condesending.  That has nothing to do with age...

[tjcummingsfan]

What do you get in defending these cocky guys who are fooling around in warm-ups.  Rob's point is simply that it's annoying to watch.  And apparently sometimes it does hurt... your guy Schlem had a pretty mediocre game against North Park after his "too cool for school warm-up."  Hmmm

[dansand]

Mr. Krumtinger and I were discussing after the game about the CCIW Tournament.  I think he has a good point that this year, would be a great example of why we both agree that the CCIW Tourney should have all 8 teams in.  Could you imagine if all 8 schools were participating this year?  I mean even Millikin who is struggling this year to get CCIW wins, is still capable of beating anybody, any given night.

Funny you should mention that, because I said the same thing about an eight-team tournament at last night's Carthage @ NPU game. I think I said it to Jim Oboikowich and Brett Nishibayashi, but I can't be sure ... I tend to talk the ears off of at least two dozen people at every NPU home game.

I said the same thing last year:

With the lower half having their way with the upper half lately, how interesting would a conference tournament with all eight teams have been?

There were several people on CCIW Chat who pushed for an eight-team tourney when the topic was put on the front burner by the CCIW a couple of years ago. In fact, I think it was Q who quoted Scott Trost as making the cogent point that, if the CCIW had to have a tournament at all, an eight-team tournament made a lot more sense from a Pool C perspective. After all, with a four-team tournament, your potential Pool C candidates are coming out of the CCIW tourney with either 1-1 or 0-1 records attached to their regular-season regional performances. If you play an eight-team tourney, on the other hand, you can have a Pool C candidate come out of the conference tourney with two extra wins plus the loss, rather than just the one win. In other words, an eight-team CCIW tournament makes more sense if you're working to get multiple teams into the big dance.

However, last year wasn't really a good environment for an eight-team tournament from a purely competitive perspective. There were clearly four outstanding teams, a couple of so-so teams, and two very bad teams in the CCIW last year. The first round of an eight-team tourney would've been pretty ugly. This year, on the other hand? This year is the perfect environment for an eight-team CCIW tourney, because there's so much more parity from top to bottom.

I agree that the league is much more competitive, top-to-bottom, than last year. But, remember, two of Augie's three CCIW regular season losses last year were to second division teams (Wheaton & Millikin) as were two of North Central's five (Millikin & Carthage) and IWU (Wheaton) and Elmhurst (Millikin) also each had a loss to a second division team. Millikin only had three conference wins but they were against the top three seeds in the conference tournament. Go figure.

[79jaybird]

Just my opinion here, but I don't let pre-game cockyness or showboating bother me, because all that really matters is how they play for the 60 minutes on the court.  Frankly, I have played many teams in both football/hockey that go through their pre-game warmups showboat, cocky, and with the thought the game is already won.  Then we knock them off and see their "we weren't as good as we thought" looks. That look is great.
In the CCIW, I personally haven't seen any cockiness from any of the teams this year.
I disagree with an earlier comment about refereeing being difficult.  I referee Mites-HS hockey games and as long as you are hustling, quick to make your call, and stay consistent with your calls, I don't find reffing that difficult.  No matter what call you make "somebody" is going to be unhappy, but that shouldn't effect how you make the call.  I call it fair, consistent, and don't take into account who's going to be upset.  Just my 2 cents.  

[Cheer4Carthage]

Are you really sure that it was Schlemm's "too cool for school warm-up" that caused him to have a "mediocre" game?  If it really bothers you or whoever else the simple solution is to...not watch.

[tjcummingsfan]

It couldn't have helped.  He was missing the shots he should've been taking in warm-up...

[knarocky22]

Practice.....We talking 'bout practice.  Not a game.  Not a game.  Not a game.  We talkin bout practice. 

-Allen Iverson

I think most on here would agree how ridiculous Iverson sounded during his famous tirade.  You carry over into the games what you practice.  Warmups are supposed to get you ready for the games.  Why not warm up doing the things you've done all week in preparation for the games.  Throwing up 24-25 footers during warmups isn't doing anyone any good.  How often are you going to shoot from there in a game?  Also, if the players are in it to have fun by acting like bad@$$#$ during warmups, they don't really love the game.

[Fox 40]

First time posting up, but long time fan of the CCIW chat.  Why so tough on the officiating all the sudden?  I've officiated both high school and college basketball in the past and think the CCIW officiating is pretty good.  I would tell you that it is a very different perspective on the floor, and usually pretty hard to second guess an official who is in correct position and officiates with the "Advantage/Disadvantage" principle.  Finally, don't buy into the belief in a close game that officials "shouldn't
decide the game".  The players decide the game by choosing to foul, travel, or commit a violation that the official recognizes and is trusted to call in the first or last minute of the game.

[Cheer4Carthage]

I'm sorry but I have to disagree.  Sure practice helps...no one said anything about practice being insufficient.  As for WARMUPS, I as well as many other athletes believe that if you do not have your skills at that point,  a twenty minute warmup is not going to do you much good.  Some athletes like to listen to music to loosen up.  Others like to shoot around for part of their time and save the rest of their energy for the game.  And I'm sure there are those that feel the need to take every possible shot that time allows.  As for acting like "badas***," that is up for interpretation.  How can you or any other person act like you are in the mind of a player enough to state that that person does or does not love the game?  Unless you are God I do not belive you have that right...

[Late nite]

I agree with House in regard to the officiating---Let it go---Everything evens out in the end---It's a tough job with big, tough, quick kids involved---Check the stats---Some teams have no basis for complaining about the officiating---It depends on your personnel and style of play

EM-----

Finally something we can agree on.
Congrats to your son if he has all A's---very hard to do. A true student-athlete.
As far as the officiating------> 

I hope you didn't interpret what i said as i'm feeling like i'm blaming them for team's losses...i'm not, i am just frustrated with how inconsistent every game is...one game we can't barely play a full minute without a whistle and the next game they're calling stuff that is so far reaching that they might as well have blown the whistle at me. 

OMG, quit whining about refs - it is a tough job especially in how fast and rough these kids play - refs get no breaks because everyone sees things a bit different from the stands espcially from different angles and if you wear glasses, it gets worse    8)

It is the way it is so let it go, "MOM"....
[/quote]

[AndOne]

Perhaps the final word on warm-ups..................................

As I very recently heard a CCIW head coach say------------> "Shoot the shots in warm-up that your gonna shoot in the game."

[tjcummingsfan]

Good call AndOne, that's pretty much all that needs to be said.  I'll add a little to the end because I want to... the reasoning behind that, in my mind, to get used to a new court, new baskets, new floor, new orientation.  It makes a difference.