MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[titanhammer]

First time posting up, but long time fan of the CCIW chat.  Why so tough on the officiating all the sudden?  I've officiated both high school and college basketball in the past and think the CCIW officiating is pretty good.  I would tell you that it is a very different perspective on the floor, and usually pretty hard to second guess an official who is in correct position and officiates with the "Advantage/Disadvantage" principle.  Finally, don't buy into the belief in a close game that officials "shouldn't
decide the game".  The players decide the game by choosing to foul, travel, or commit a violation that the official recognizes and is trusted to call in the first or last minute of the game.

Fox 40,

I know that officiating is one of the toughest jobs there is.  However, what we are seeing this year is unprofessional.  They are calling stuff out of position, calls that aren't theirs, and the "he only called that to call something or get in the lime light" calls.  There has been more than once this year that I've seen one official stare down another when the official doing the staring is the one that should have made the call, but didn't.  There is a reason he didn't.

I also get frustrated when the officials let the coaches get in their ear.  There's a certain coach in the UAA that was on the officials EVERY time up and down the floor.  It may or may not have had an influence in the outcome, but his unwarranted ranting was very tiring, none the less.  On the opposite end of that, I was appreciative of how Coach Brenegan didn't say much of anything to the officials.  When he did, it was "confidential" and did not involve foot stomping or making a scene.

I have seen a few double fouls this year that were ridiculous...along with some horendous block/charges, and baffling calls that took five minutes on the floor to decide...can't remember which game at the Shirk it was, but it took forever and was still embarrassing for the officials.  All of this and a ton of bad calls/no calls.

Some of the seasoned CCIW officials are having a bad year and the new guys aren't helping.  All we can hope for now, is that they try their best.

We need a game where there is a foul discrepency, the coach on the short end of the fouls states:  "The fouls are 7 to 2."...and Fritz says to the coach:  "Well, tell your guys to stop fouling."

[knarocky22]

I am not questioning the fact that these players love the game of basketball.  All I am saying is that if they do love the game, it should be enough just to be out there competing and playing the game that they love.  They shouldn't have to screw around in pregame to have fun.  I'm done.

[AndOne]

And 2 final thoughts on officiating so far this year-----

1. I just love it when the trailing ref who is standing 6-7 feet over the center court line and just inside the right sideline calls a foul on a play that takes place along the baseline 4-5 feet to the left of the basket. Especially when the baseline ref doesn't see any foul. I've seen that happen a couple of times in every game I've been to this year. Not sure how many feet away that is, but you would have to have bionic eyes to see a foul that far away.

2. Numerio uno this year. The ref who has just made a terrible call is standing on the foul line during a time out called just after he whistled the foul. One of the fans of the offending team shouts something at the ref---not complementary to be sure, but also not profane in any way---and the ref, who clearly hears whats said, points up at the fan, and then quickly down at his crotch!     Happened Wed night.   
Sometimes the refs get the abuse they ask for.

[dogtired]

Officiating in the CCIW has NOT been good this season.
I won't say it has benefited any particular team in the games I have seen, but officials do seem to think they can make calls whether they have a view of the play or not.
Often you see a ref blow the whistle when you KNOW he did not see what he called. He called what he thinks probably happened.
That is bad.
Chris Martin the commish needs to take this seriously and not coddle these officials into thinking they are doing a good job.
It is a tough job, yes. But do it well if you're getting paid to do it.

[Greek Tragedy]

I agree that the league is much more competitive, top-to-bottom, than last year. But, remember, two of Augie's three CCIW regular season losses last year were to second division teams (Wheaton & Millikin) as were two of North Central's five (Millikin & Carthage) and IWU (Wheaton) and Elmhurst (Millikin) also each had a loss to a second division team.

The CCIW has two divisions now? lol 

[Titan Q]

Those of you listening at home to games, please continue the very helpful practice of posting periodic scores on the CCIW in-game updates board.  During our WJBC broadcasts, I usually have access to that board and it is very nice to be able to pass on scores.

Thanks to everyone who takes the time to do this. 

[Late nite]

Sounds pretty similar to the area that you were sitting during Augie-NCC game when you said that Krumtiger had been fouled twice at the end of the game---You were pretty convinced at what you had seen---Sounds like a contradiction to me

And 2 final thoughts on officiating so far this year-----

1. I just love it when the trailing ref who is standing 6-7 feet over the center court line and just inside the right sideline calls a foul on a play that takes place along the baseline 4-5 feet to the left of the basket. Especially when the baseline ref doesn't see any foul. I've seen that happen a couple of times in every game I've been to this year. Not sure how many feet away that is, but you would have to have bionic eyes to see a foul that far away.

2. Numerio uno this year. The ref who has just made a terrible call is standing on the foul line during a time out called just after he whistled the foul. One of the fans of the offending team shouts something at the ref---not complementary to be sure, but also not profane in any way---and the ref, who clearly hears whats said, points up at the fan, and then quickly down at his crotch!     Happened Wed night.  
Sometimes the refs get the abuse they ask for.

[Fox 40]

And 2 final thoughts on officiating so far this year-----

1. I just love it when the trailing ref who is standing 6-7 feet over the center court line and just inside the right sideline calls a foul on a play that takes place along the baseline 4-5 feet to the left of the basket. Especially when the baseline ref doesn't see any foul. I've seen that happen a couple of times in every game I've been to this year. Not sure how many feet away that is, but you would have to have bionic eyes to see a foul that far away.

2. Numerio uno this year. The ref who has just made a terrible call is standing on the foul line during a time out called just after he whistled the foul. One of the fans of the offending team shouts something at the ref---not complementary to be sure, but also not profane in any way---and the ref, who clearly hears whats said, points up at the fan, and then quickly down at his crotch!     Happened Wed night.   
Sometimes the refs get the abuse they ask for.

AndOne,

In reference to scenario #1, I'm assuming that your refering to a three person crew in which case that is tough to watch.  If it is a two person crew then the likely chances of the trail official making that call are much greater.

In scenario #2, let's hope that an officiating supervisor reviews game tape on a regular basis and that official is "relieved" of his duties.

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[knarocky22]

All of the CCIW games that I've seen have a three-man crew.  There is no way a CCIW game, or any college game for that matter, could be officiated well utilizing only a two-man crew.  Just too much action happening.

[79jaybird]

ECdubb-- Are you and/or an Elmhurst crew going out to Rock Island tonight to broadcast the EC/Augie game?
Also, is there an  Augustana Radio Station that broadcasts over the Internet, just in case our EC crew is not making the trip?
Thanks  (MR)

[AndOne]

Officiating in the CCIW has NOT been good this season.
I won't say it has benefited any particular team in the games I have seen, but officials do seem to think they can make calls whether they have a view of the play or not.
Often you see a ref blow the whistle when you KNOW he did not see what he called. He called what he thinks probably happened.
That is bad.
Chris Martin the commish needs to take this seriously and not coddle these officials into thinking they are doing a good job.
It is a tough job, yes. But do it well if you're getting paid to do it.

Exactly, Dog
+ 1 for you.

[bluejaybacker1]

79jaybird- If I remember correctly they are making the trip tonight from what they said in their broadcast on Wed. night.

[AndOne]

And 2 final thoughts on officiating so far this year-----

1. I just love it when the trailing ref who is standing 6-7 feet over the center court line and just inside the right sideline calls a foul on a play that takes place along the baseline 4-5 feet to the left of the basket. Especially when the baseline ref doesn't see any foul. I've seen that happen a couple of times in every game I've been to this year. Not sure how many feet away that is, but you would have to have bionic eyes to see a foul that far away.

2. Numerio uno this year. The ref who has just made a terrible call is standing on the foul line during a time out called just after he whistled the foul. One of the fans of the offending team shouts something at the ref---not complementary to be sure, but also not profane in any way---and the ref, who clearly hears whats said, points up at the fan, and then quickly down at his crotch!     Happened Wed night.   
Sometimes the refs get the abuse they ask for.

AndOne,

In reference to scenario #1, I'm assuming that your refering to a three person crew in which case that is tough to watch.  If it is a two person crew then the likely chances of the trail official making that call are much greater.

In scenario #2, let's hope that an officiating supervisor reviews game tape on a regular basis and that official is "relieved" of his duties.

Fox----

1. As knarocky22 stated above, all CCIW games feature a 3  man crew

2. I believe the teams, not the league, film the games and of the game tapes I've watched the camera is usually trained on the team huddle or flashed at the scoreboard during timeouts, so its unlikely. Also, the action was very quick and
w/b very hard to catch. 

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[AUGsportsFAN]

The Augustana student station, WAUG, should be doing the game as well.  However, over winter break the station's server crashed and hasn't been working well in January.  Hopefully it will be up and going tonight (at waug.augustana.edu, or http://www.shoutcast.com/directory/?s=waug&numresult=25&x=17&y=16).

[AndOne]

Sounds pretty similar to the area that you were sitting during Augie-NCC game when you said that Krumtiger had been fouled twice at the end of the game---You were pretty convinced at what you had seen---Sounds like a contradiction to me

And 2 final thoughts on officiating so far this year-----

1. I just love it when the trailing ref who is standing 6-7 feet over the center court line and just inside the right sideline calls a foul on a play that takes place along the baseline 4-5 feet to the left of the basket. Especially when the baseline ref doesn't see any foul. I've seen that happen a couple of times in every game I've been to this year. Not sure how many feet away that is, but you would have to have bionic eyes to see a foul that far away.

2. Numerio uno this year. The ref who has just made a terrible call is standing on the foul line during a time out called just after he whistled the foul. One of the fans of the offending team shouts something at the ref---not complementary to be sure, but also not profane in any way---and the ref, who clearly hears whats said, points up at the fan, and then quickly down at his crotch!     Happened Wed night.   
Sometimes the refs get the abuse they ask for.

Late-----

No contradiction at all. I was talking in terms of several games I've seen where this happens. Not only this year, but in the last 2-3 yrs.

Also, in the specific instance I talked about in the Augie-NCC game, I have no problem with the fact the trailing official did NOT make a foul call as from the trailing position, not far over half court, he would not have been in position to make a call on the final play. My problem on that specific play was with the ref on the far side of the court in line with the free throw line, and with the baseline ref, both of whom had much clearer views of the play.