MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[knarocky22]

Suhey's kid is going to Penn State for football, not basketball.

I wonder how many college coaches promise kids they will start and then they don't.  I guarantee it's not just Coach G. (if you even know what you're talking about).

Can we please get off this topic and get back to talking basketball?

[Gregory Sager]

I have seen the Jordans play - Marcus is better than Jeff - Jeff is playing D1, AA because of his dad. He is no better than the best of the DIII talent and not even close. In fact, he would be better at DIII but not good enough for the CCIW. Maybe a softer conference and yes, he is a NON-IMPACT garbage player  

Marcus is more intense and plays like he wants to play - he is probably a better D1 candidate and not a garbage player    

I agree with Bob, Mark, and OH -- well, except for that "garbage" crack, of course. I've twice seen Jeffrey Jordan play, and in my estimation he'd be a useful, but hardly dominant, CCIW player. Under current circumstances I certainly wouldn't view him as a future CCIW MOP or anything like that. The "under current circumstances" part is important, though; you simply can't project with anything close to 100% accuracy what sort of player a 17-year-old will be when he's a 21-year-old.

The younger Suhey and younger Jordan would do well at NP.

NPU would happily find a roster spot for anyone from the Jordan or Suhey families. Go ahead and call the North Park braintrust a bunch of mercenaries, but the publicity and the potential to substantially augment NPU's giving base would be well worth indulging the scions of these well-heeled sporting families with royal blue and gold uniforms, no matter how useful Masters Jordan or Suhey actually turned out to be as NPU basketball players.

NPU tried to bring in one of their Loyola teammates last year, but he wasn't interested in going to school in the city.

Plus, I strongly suspect that NPU head football coach Scott Pethtel would not be averse to having Joe Suhey in a Vikings uni.

My last word on Grey Giovanine, and then I'm done: I have never been anything but complimentary of his considerable coaching achievements at Augustana. I have heard a couple of his former players talk about him in glowing terms, so I have no doubt whatsoever that he is well-loved by most of his players. I didn't see him wallop one of his players in the solar plexus last night, so I'm not speaking to that issue at all. Nor am I going to talk about his promising Augie prospects minutes or starting roles, because I'm pretty sure that everyone's accusations against Giovanine in that area are strictly hearsay. And I'm not getting involved in any "role model" arguments.

My concern here is strictly with sportsmanship. The CCIW sportsmanship code is read aloud by the P.A. announcer before each game, or is printed on the game program, in each gym in the conference as far as I'm aware. Why should we expect fans to be held to a standard of decorum, and not coaches? No, I don't expect head coaches to be Boy Scouts, a la Lovie Smith or Tony Dungy. Giovanine's salty language, his liberal interpretation of the coaching box, and his penchant for kicking things when in a fit of pique aren't pleasant to have to watch, but I wouldn't persist in making a fuss about them every year. They don't bother me nearly as much as the free-throw-yelling thing, and I will continue to bring that up, because that directly affects the game.

I have no problem with a coach yelling instructions to his players when there's a free throw situation, whether it's his team or the other team that's at the line. What I have a problem with is his yelling those instructions while the player is in his shooting motion. That's just plain poor sportsmanship. It's not an attempt to instruct the team. It's a transparent attempt to discombobulate the shooter, since there's clearly no reason in the world to yell "Rebound!" when the free throw in question is the first of two (i.e., there's a deadball situation if the free throw is missed).

Yes, student sections try to disrupt an opponent's free throws as a matter of course. But a coach is not a 20-year-old college student, and his behavior should reflect that.

[Brick]

IF you are going to sit here and bring up the CCIW sportsmanship code or conduct and then say in the same breath that it is ok for fans to yell during a free throw, but if a coach gives his players instructions during that time he is considered a poor sport.  This is the biggest double standard I've ever heard of Please just drop this topic and get back to basketball....

It's no wonder people take a break from posting on this board whenever anyone has an opinion that differs from the majority of those on the board (i.e. Augie fans sticking up for Coach G.) they get crucified

[Gregory Sager]

IF you are going to sit here and bring up the CCIW sportsmanship code or conduct and then say in the same breath that it is ok for fans to yell during a free throw, but if a coach gives his players instructions during that time he is considered a poor sport.  This is the biggest double standard I've ever heard of

Did I say it was OK for the students to do it? And are you really drawing an equivalence between the students and the head coach?

Plus, as I said, it was patently obvious that he was not giving instructions. He was trying to disrupt the free throw. The context made that crystal clear.

It's no wonder people take a break from posting on this board whenever anyone has an opinion that differs from the majority of those on the board (i.e. Augie fans sticking up for Coach G.) they get crucified

Nobody's crucifying anybody. Everyone has a right to his or her own opinion -- you, me, whomever. Please cease and desist with the cries of persecution.

And, yeah, I just broke my vow about this being my last word on the subject. Three and a half hours ... that's gotta be a new vow-breaking record for me, especially in the wee hours of the morning.

[Brick]

As I've previously said once you've sat down and talked and gotten to know Coach G then you can say whatever you want about him, but until then don't judge him by what you see on the court!

[mr_b]

As I've previously said once you've sat down and talked and gotten to know Coach G then you can say whatever you want about him, but until then don't judge him by what you see on the court!

Unfortunately, that's the only venue the vast majority of us have in which to form an opinion of the man.  You only have one chance to make a first impression.

[Brick]

That is true, but when you have so many people stepping up and posting their support for Coach G. (both Augie Fans and others).  Perhaps you should set back and listen to people that have had the opportunity to talk with the man and have gotten to know him...

[tjcummingsfan]

See here's the difference, everyone who is complaining about Coach G is frustrated with his actions on the court.  Really he could be the nicest guy in the world in practice and elsewhere, but it still doesn't change the fact that he crosses that sportsmanship line in games. 

[Dennis_Prikkel]

Lovie and Tony in the superbowl
no cussing/no shouting/ just a lot of smiling
I think the only reason Grey was under control at Wheaton game was he was winning most of game and it took almost 10 minutes before his coat came off.

Actually Wheaton led for the first 12 minutes of the game - the coat came off to inspire his team - it worked.  The coat removal tactic was one that Dan McCarrell often used in his 17 years at North Park.

MW 70:3

[robberki]

That is true, but when you have so many people stepping up and posting their support for Coach G. (both Augie Fans and others).  Perhaps you should set back and listen to people that have had the opportunity to talk with the man and have gotten to know him...

The people posting unabashed support for coach G are augustana fans, that's like saying "Listen to April, she says Wheaton is best ever so it must be!" not exactly an unbiased opinion...

[Mugsy]

I agree with Bob, Mark, and OH -- well, except for that "garbage" crack, of course. I've twice seen Jeffrey Jordan play, and in my estimation he'd be a useful, but hardly dominant, CCIW player. Under current circumstances I certainly wouldn't view him as a future CCIW MOP or anything like that. The "under current circumstances" part is important, though; you simply can't project with anything close to 100% accuracy what sort of player a 17-year-old will be when he's a 21-year-old.

Given the historical context of Jeffrey & Marcus Jordan's father, I think you'd need to be very careful in how you "project" where these guys will be in a few years.  After all their father (whom many hold as the best basketball player ever), was cut from the basketball team as a sophomore or junior in high school.

That said... by the time his senior year was finished, his athletic abilities were quite obvious.  Not an easy task for college coaches and recruiters.  How much weight do you put into genetics and potential vs. what you see on the court?

[Scream]

As I've previously said once you've sat down and talked and gotten to know Coach G then you can say whatever you want about him, but until then don't judge him by what you see on the court!

Excellent idea.  When are you setting up appointments for all of us to meet with Coach G.?

I do not have a problem with a coach being intense.  Personally, I responded well to intense coaches.  It's just that some coaches (insert said Coach's name) need to learn to be intense while maintaining integrity and class.  (i.e. not yelling during the act of an opponent shooting a free throw - leave that for the fans, not hitting a player, etc)

Lovie and Tony in the superbowl
no cussing/no shouting/ just a lot of smiling

Good example of the antihesis of Coach G.

[Scream]

How bout we move onto something more cheerful...? 

Can we get some Super Bowl predictions?

I'll start:

Da Bears: 30
Colts: 27

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Bears: 0
Colts: 0

The game can't be finished as the stadium collapses under the weight of my disinterest.  Peyton Manning sucks.

[Scream]

Bears: 0
Colts: 0

The game can't be finished as the stadium collapses under the weight of my disinterest.  Peyton Manning sucks.

Wah Wahhhh

I smell Debbie Downer.  Or was that Buzz Killingtown?  Would you like to look at some etchings Hoops Fan?