MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Titan Q]

Excellent point tuvwxyz------------->  + 1 for you.

Speaking of Coach Rose. I have no doubt he can coach, but was anyone else surprised he got the job after the obvious first two choices turned it down or withdrew from consideration?

I thought EC Asst Coach Baines would be the best choice at that point. He, naturally,  has experience coaching at the DIII level where Coach Rose did not. More specifically, he was/is familiar specifically with the CCIW. Additionally, he had experience recruiting which is perhaps just as important as coaching ability. As tuvwxyz pointed out, Coach Rose also lacked this experience. As I have heard from several sources, Coach Baines is even seen out recruiting more than EC Head Coach Scherer. Lastly, Coach Baines is IWU "family" having played for the Titans where he was a member of their 1997 championship team. The opinion, and prob even moreso the $ of the local alums must have carried more weight in Dennie Bridges' decision.

After Coach Baines, I though Elmhurst York HS Coach Al Biancalana, who had DI experience at Bradley would have been an excellent candidate. 

AndOne, for you or anyone else not part of the committee that conducted the search and interview processes for IWU's head coaching vacancy to suggest that Ron Rose was the third choice is silly.  You have no idea how the process played out.  There are people really, really close to IWU men's basketball that have no idea how that process played out.  I'm glad you and your North Central circle has all the gossip and has it all figured out, but when you are just throwing rumors out there it is unfortunate.

The money of local alums??  That is laughable.  IWU is a place where all financial donations have to go through the school's general fund.  When an alum like myself wants to give his annual contribution to IWU and says, "I'd like to give this to men's basketball" or athletics in general, they are told that is not possible.  They are steered to the general fund and told that as that grows, the Athletic department eventually grows, and as the Athletic department budget grows, men's basketball will get a few more bucks.  That is what's funniest to me about your assertion that there is some wealthy group of IWU alums that has influence over athletic department decisions -- there are several alums like me who would really love to donate directly to men's basketball (or football or baskeball, etc) because that is where our passion in and strongest connection with the university is, but are told that is not possible.  Believe me when I tell you that the IWU people who read this board will have a real laugh at that statement.

Finally, you do realize that Ron Rose is a Wesleyan alum, right?  You mention that Baines is "family", but not Rose (Class of 1988).

IWU hired a good coach who will recruit good players and build a winner.  You know, unfortunately I remember 5 seasons ago having to make about the same exact statement when IWU had a first-year head man who was really struggling (6-8 CCIW/12-12 overall with way more talent than Ron Rose has this year).  In five years, Scott Trost recruited 3 All-Americans, won 3 CCIW titles, and got IWU to Salem.  Gosh, can we avoid suggesting that Ron Rose was not the right choice until he at least has a chance to recruit even 1 or 2 years?   

[tuvwxyz]

Excellent point tuvwxyz------------->  + 1 for you.

Speaking of Coach Rose. I have no doubt he can coach, but was anyone else surprised he got the job after the obvious first two choices turned it down or withdrew from consideration?

I thought EC Asst Coach Baines would be the best choice at that point. He, naturally,  has experience coaching at the DIII level where Coach Rose did not. More specifically, he was/is familiar specifically with the CCIW. Additionally, he had experience recruiting which is perhaps just as important as coaching ability. As tuvwxyz pointed out, Coach Rose also lacked this experience. As I have heard from several sources, Coach Baines is even seen out recruiting more than EC Head Coach Scherer. Lastly, Coach Baines is IWU "family" having played for the Titans where he was a member of their 1997 championship team. The opinion, and prob even moreso the $ of the local alums must have carried more weight in Dennie Bridges' decision.

After Coach Baines, I though Elmhurst York HS Coach Al Biancalana, who had DI experience at Bradley would have been an excellent candidate. 

AndOne, for you or anyone else not part of the committee that conducted the search and interview processes for IWU's head coaching vacancy to suggest that Ron Rose was the third choice is silly.  You have no idea how the process played out. 

IWU hired a good coach who will recruit good players and build a winner.  You know, unfortunately I remember 5 seasons ago having to make about the same exact statement when IWU had a first-year head man who was really struggling (6-8 CCIW/12-12 overall with way more talent than Ron Rose has this year).  In five years, Scott Trost recruited 3 All-Americans, won 3 CCIW titles, and got IWU to Salem.  Gosh, can we avoid suggesting that Ron Rose was not the right choice until he at least has a chance to recruit even 1 or 2 years?   

...and I am sure you know how it all played out. Sheesh, a little self-centered with that post.

To compare Trost and Rose and what Trost recruited is a stretch. Trost has experience in recruiting players at all levels.
Rose has none.

Pass the kool-aid, please.

[Titan Q]

Excellent point tuvwxyz------------->  + 1 for you.

Speaking of Coach Rose. I have no doubt he can coach, but was anyone else surprised he got the job after the obvious first two choices turned it down or withdrew from consideration?

I thought EC Asst Coach Baines would be the best choice at that point. He, naturally,  has experience coaching at the DIII level where Coach Rose did not. More specifically, he was/is familiar specifically with the CCIW. Additionally, he had experience recruiting which is perhaps just as important as coaching ability. As tuvwxyz pointed out, Coach Rose also lacked this experience. As I have heard from several sources, Coach Baines is even seen out recruiting more than EC Head Coach Scherer. Lastly, Coach Baines is IWU "family" having played for the Titans where he was a member of their 1997 championship team. The opinion, and prob even moreso the $ of the local alums must have carried more weight in Dennie Bridges' decision.

After Coach Baines, I though Elmhurst York HS Coach Al Biancalana, who had DI experience at Bradley would have been an excellent candidate. 

AndOne, for you or anyone else not part of the committee that conducted the search and interview processes for IWU's head coaching vacancy to suggest that Ron Rose was the third choice is silly.  You have no idea how the process played out. 

IWU hired a good coach who will recruit good players and build a winner.  You know, unfortunately I remember 5 seasons ago having to make about the same exact statement when IWU had a first-year head man who was really struggling (6-8 CCIW/12-12 overall with way more talent than Ron Rose has this year).  In five years, Scott Trost recruited 3 All-Americans, won 3 CCIW titles, and got IWU to Salem.  Gosh, can we avoid suggesting that Ron Rose was not the right choice until he at least has a chance to recruit even 1 or 2 years?   

...and I am sure you know how it all played out. Sheesh, a little self-centered with that post.

When I said, "There are people really, really close to IWU men's basketball that have no idea how that process played out", I was including myself.

[tuvwxyz]

Soooo, if that is the case, how can AndOne's comment about Rose being third choice be SILLY?

It could be true. He could have heard "stuff" the same as you. His thoughts are no less or no more viable maybe than yours.

Lots of people pay attention to what goes on in the CCIW. Coaches and asst coaches and people talk to each other. Some know who applied and what was said to them. Some don't.

Sometimes the "rose" colored glasses just don't fit.

[markerickson]

Greg, since posters currently reside in various states and many posters left a state to attend a CCIW school, then I don't know against whom I'm "wagging" my finger.  My second favorite team (whoever plays da Bears) won the Super Bowl.

I note that you went to significantly greater lengths to wag your finger at me and my Vikings.  You're very good at not letting go of a conversation, always hoping to "contribute" the last word.

[titanhammer]

...and I am sure you know how it all played out. Sheesh, a little self-centered with that post.

To compare Trost and Rose and what Trost recruited is a stretch. Trost has experience in recruiting players at all levels.
Rose has none.

Pass the kool-aid, please.

Trost had a lot of help recruiting at IWU...the same help that Coach Rose will receive.

I believe Coach Rose does have college recruiting experience:  Olivet and Wichita St.

http://www2.iwu.edu/menssports/basketball/Rosebio.shtml

[79jaybird]

Wow tough crowd harping on Rose geez!  The guy is in his first year, has 1 "star" left from a team that captured NCAA 3rd place and you guys are ripping him up.  Give him a chance.  Look at Lovie Smith.  He started with basically nothing, and has built a team that could have won the Super Bowl (had we had more Production out of our QB)
The point here is give Rose a chance to get his recruits in, and let his players learn his system.
Baines?  At the end of last year, I was thinking Coach Baines was going to be in a HC position at another school, but right now I do not.  I talk frequently with Coach Baines and I think he likes it at Elmhurst.  Baines and Scherrer seem to work together well and share the duties.  Baines is always commenting on how he likes the school, loves his players, and from this I don't get the feeling he is "eager" to leave.
I think one day he will want to get a HC position, but right now I think he is content where he's at.  (Just my 2 cents)

[usee]

Usee, if you can't admit that a "star" gets more calls his way then you obviously haven't watched alot of basketball.  Fact is it happened last night, and it was frustrating, as a North Park fan, to watch.

I definately think a "star" player gets better treatment....in the NBA. I don't think Kent Raymond (as good as he is) is anywhere close to "star" status enough to say he gets calls. I think that is a ridiculous assertion. That's giving CCIW officials (and D3 officials in general) way too much credit. The fact is the calls were missed and made BOTH ways and it didn't have an impact on the outcome.

[petemcb]

Greg, since posters currently reside in various states and many posters left a state to attend a CCIW school, then I don't know against whom I'm "wagging" my finger.  My second favorite team (whoever plays da Bears) won the Super Bowl.

I note that you went to significantly greater lengths to wag your finger at me and my Vikings.  You're very good at not letting go of a conversation, always hoping to "contribute" the last word.

Or at least the "last word" until you restoked the fire, right?

[tjcummingsfan]

Usee, if you can't admit that a "star" gets more calls his way then you obviously haven't watched alot of basketball.  Fact is it happened last night, and it was frustrating, as a North Park fan, to watch.

I definately think a "star" player gets better treatment....in the NBA. I don't think Kent Raymond (as good as he is) is anywhere close to "star" status enough to say he gets calls. I think that is a ridiculous assertion. That's giving CCIW officials (and D3 officials in general) way too much credit. The fact is the calls were missed and made BOTH ways and it didn't have an impact on the outcome.

Yes, bad calls were made both ways, that always happens in a basketball game.  I guess you haven't watched many of the stars in the CCIW in the past then.  Dauksas got calls like crazy, I think Keelan would have if he had been the kind of player that drew "fouls."  McDaniel, and Powell from Carthage a few years ago, Carstens from Augie all more often than not got the benefit of the doubt from the refs.  Shoot, I think Sneed did sometimes too.  Bottom line is as stupid as you apparently think the refs in this league are, they know who the studs are, and there's going to be a certain expectation that comes along with that. 

[David Collinge]

Wow...

Usee vs. tjcummingsfan

Greg vs. Mark

Titan Q vs. AndOne and end-of-the-alphabet guy

Sunday, SUNDAY, SUNDAY!  A triple bill, with a tag-team match!

Getting pretty ugly in here...

[Titan Q]

Soooo, if that is the case, how can AndOne's comment about Rose being third choice be SILLY?

It could be true. He could have heard "stuff" the same as you. His thoughts are no less or no more viable maybe than yours.

Lots of people pay attention to what goes on in the CCIW. Coaches and asst coaches and people talk to each other. Some know who applied and what was said to them. Some don't.

Here is what AndOne said:

"...was anyone else surprised he got the job after the obvious first two choices turned it down or withdrew from consideration?"

It was silly because he has absolutely no idea who the lead candidates were going into that process but talks about "obvious first two choices." 

The name batted around in IWU circles (just fans speculating) more than any other by a big margin the last few years in the discussion of who would replace Scott Trost if he left was Ron Rose.   The thought was that there would be a strong desire to hire an Illinois Wesleyan alum.  But just as I cannot in good faith post here that I'm sure that Ron was the first choice going in last April (because I have no idea), I'd hope AndOne would use similar discretion -- or at least make it clear that he's posting rumors.  His suggestion that some group of financially influential IWU alums is affecting athletic department hiring decisions is so comical that it leads me to believe his sources on everything IWU are, well, not so good.

[Late nite]

As I have said before regarding AO---Why let the facts get in the way of a negative opinion---I'm with TQ---He's a lot closer to the program than most

Soooo, if that is the case, how can AndOne's comment about Rose being third choice be SILLY?

It could be true. He could have heard "stuff" the same as you. His thoughts are no less or no more viable maybe than yours.

Lots of people pay attention to what goes on in the CCIW. Coaches and asst coaches and people talk to each other. Some know who applied and what was said to them. Some don't.

Here is what AndOne said:

"...was anyone else surprised he got the job after the obvious first two choices turned it down or withdrew from consideration?"

It was silly because he has absolutely no idea who the lead candidates were going into that process but talks about "obvious first two choices." 

The name batted around in IWU circles (just fans speculating) more than any other by a big margin the last few years in the discussion of who would replace Scott Trost if he left was Ron Rose.   The thought was that there would be a strong desire to hire an Illinois Wesleyan alum.  But just as I cannot in good faith post here that I'm sure that Ron was the first choice going in last April (because I have no idea), I'd hope AndOne would use similar discretion -- or at least make it clear that he's posting rumors.  His suggestion that some group of financially influential IWU alums is affecting athletic department hiring decisions is so comical that it leads me to believe his sources on everything IWU are, well, not so good.

[diehardfan]

The game can't be finished as the stadium collapses under the weight of my disinterest.

You gotta admit this was pretty darn funny, spoilsport or not! I know I'm going to get into trouble for saying this on an Illinois based board, but I actually wasn't aware that the Super Bowl hadn't taken place yet. Last week I saw something on it and was like, are you serious? That hasn't happened yet? So maybe that's why I find Hoops Fan's comments so funny. DIII purist here all the way, and darn proud of it. 

If the Redskins were in the Super Bowl, or the Orioles were in the World Series, you'd change your tune about that "D3 purist here all the way" jazz pretty darn quick, young missy!

I haven't the slightest clue what the Redskins record has been since HS. My eyes roll with the same disinterest when my mom talks about the Redskins as it does when I talk about DIII to almost anyone.

Now the Orioles, on the other hand.... mmm... You got me there! Nothing beats a lighted baseball field for an evening game... not even cookies. Even if it's not my team (well, as long as it doesn't involve the Yankees or the Red Sox winning) I love it. Just thinking about a lighted field gives me chills and makes me feel all warm and fuzzy on the inside.  I feel the same about high school football friday night games. Anyhow, the only reason I like the Orioles again now (I went through a period where I didn't follow professional baseball either) is that they dd a reverse trend of all professional teams and took on the veterans that no teams wanted despite years of faithful service(Sammy Sosa comes to mind). In fact, they even sought out and brought back BJ Surhoff who was one of my favorite players on the team we actually made the playoffs with like 10 years ago. Since the main reason I dropped interest in professional sports was because the Redskins shed veterans like Art Monk and Brian Mitchell for their final seasons like they were skin cells, I took notice of what the Orioles did and commended them with my returned interest. On the other hand, if the Orioles have a winning record, much less a playoff run, much less a World Series run.... well then, I think at this point it will be a pretty good sign of the apocalypse. And on the same hand, I enjoy a little league game just as much as a professional one... now if my theoretical kids would just come out of the woodwork so I could bring little juice boxes to their games, I'd be set. 

I probably would like d3 baseball more if my team actually had our own field. I drove down to B-N to watch Wheaton @ IWU once and thoroughly enjoyed myself despite the fact that we lost both of the games in the double header.

[Mr. Ypsi]

April,

If the Tigers making the World Series after 12(?) straight losing seasons (and just 3 years after flirting with the all-time futility record) didn't already bring on the Apocalypse, we could probably risk the Orioles having a winning record!