MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[diehardfan]

April, those were the latest figures you've posted (through games of last Wed) - keep up with the league standings and I'll have newer stats!!

I sent Saturday's game results by email... did I not?

[Mr. Ypsi]

April, those were the latest figures you've posted (through games of last Wed) - keep up with the league standings and I'll have newer stats!!

I sent Saturday's game results by email... did I not?

As of an hour ago I had not received the update - considering I almost certainly slipped another spot, perhaps you mercifully omitted me?!

[theseguysaregood]

Here are the Pool C teams from last year (in bold)...the Pool A/B teams are crossed off.  This is in order of final Quality of Wins Index (QOWI) and also includes in-region winning % -- the two big metrics.


1-10
Amherst     12.160     24-1
Lawrence    11.682    22-0
Worcester Polytech    11.250    20-3
Mississippi College    11.154    25-1
Tufts    11.000    20-5 Pool C
St. John Fisher    11.000    22-1
Lincoln    10.688    12-4  Pool B
Wittenberg    10.652    20-3
Gordon    10.560    22-3 Pool C
Carnegie Mellon    10.550    16-4

11-20
Virginia Wesleyan    10.481    24-3
Augustana    10.478    19-4 Pool C
Cortland State    10.440    22-3 Pool C
York (Pa.)    10.400    22-3 Pool C
Transylvania    10.370    23-4
Trinity (Texas)    10.316    16-3 Pool C
UW-Whitewater    10.304    18-5
William Paterson    10.240    19-6
Hope    10.211    17-2
North Central    10.095    16-5
               
21-30
Bates    10.091    16-6 (not selected)
Carroll    10.087    19-4 Pool C
Ursinus    10.080    20-5
Baldwin-Wallace    10.077    22-4
Washington U.    10.050    14-6 (not selected)
Wooster    10.042    21-3 Pool C
Carleton    10.000    18-5 Pool C
St. Thomas    9.960    20-5
Baruch    9.958    21-3 Pool C
Alvernia    9.958    21-3
               
31-40
Illinois Wesleyan    9.952    15-6 Pool C
Puget Sound    9.944    16-2
Widener    9.920    20-5 Pool C
Lakeland    9.905    17-4 (not selected)
UW-La Crosse    9.880    18-7 Pool C
SUNY-Farmingdale    9.875    19-5
UW-Stout    9.870    18-5 Pool C
Randolph-Macon    9.840    19-6 Pool C
Keene State    9.800    18-7 (not selected)
Fisk    9.800    10-5 (not selected for Pool B)
               
41-50
Trinity (Conn.)    9.750    15-5 (not selected)
Occidental    9.750    12-4 Pool C
Calvin    9.733    13-2 Pool C
Utica    9.692    20-6 Pool C
MIT    9.680    17-7 (not selected)
Messiah    9.583    17-7
Whitworth    9.542    18-6 (not selected)
Catholic    9.542    19-5
Endicott    9.520    16-8
Lake Erie    9.500    18-4
               


Is this a typical year?  If so, it looks like 6-7 losses is a magic number and any team other than Augie and Elmhurst would have to sweep their remaining games and probably get to the Championship game of the tournament and lose.

That sure doesn't seem to factor in the "beat each other up in the best conference" reality.

I would be very surprised to see any team sweep their remaining games (including Augie and Elmhurst), so the chances for a third team, as a Pool C entry, seem pretty remote to me.

[Pat Coleman]

It was the first year of the expanded tournament, so I would say we don't really know yet.

[Titan Q]

M.O.P. candidates collide at the rim (Elmhurst's Brent Ruch and IWU's Zach Freeman)...

http://www.iwuhoops.com/zruch.jpg


And a pic of Elmhurst's other giant, 6-10 Nick Michael, guarding Freeman...

http://www.iwuhoops.com/zmichael.jpg

[diehardfan]

Bob, random question for you:

If Wheaton wins Saturday night, they'll have won their third game @ IWU's Shirk Center.

Has any other team won that many times? I know there are several at two wins, I just can't remember if there's ever been anyone who had that many.

[Titan Q]

Bob, random question for you:

If Wheaton wins Saturday night, they'll have won their third game @ IWU's Shirk Center.

Has any other team won that many times? I know there are several at two wins, I just can't remember if there's ever been anyone who had that many.

Augustana has 3 wins (1 under Steve Yount and 2 under Giovanine).  Augie won @ IWU just last year.

[titanhammer]

M.O.P. candidates collide at the rim (Elmhurst's Brent Ruch and IWU's Zach Freeman)...

http://www.iwuhoops.com/zruch.jpg


And a pic of Elmhurst's other giant, 6-10 Nick Michael, guarding Freeman...

http://www.iwuhoops.com/zmichael.jpg

The first pick in Q's post was the "half dunk" I spoke of in an earlier post:  it popped up about 2 feet above the rim and went in.

I was surprised the Hooper's Club didn't ride N Michael about his tan lines around his arm pits.  I hadn't seen him since last year...you can tell he worked very hard in the weight room during the off season...at least I didn't remember him being that cut.

[augiefan]

I do not believe there is any player on Augie that will or should be considered for the MOP award. I think that is what you have to love about this year's Augie team. Their success is truly a team effort, although Dain and Wessels are certainly potential all conference performers. They are the one team in the conference that has consistently won big games without constantly relying on one or two big scorers.

Stats like those cited by Diehard are interesting, but we all know statistics frequently lie. On stats alone Wessels is a non-starter, yet every one who follows the CCIW knows that he is the key to Augie's success and perhaps  the best guard in the conference this year.

[knarocky22]

Apparently Michael has worked very hard in the tanning booth as well.

[Titan Q]

Zach Freeman has moved into some elite company.  He'll leave as one of the best 5-7 players to ever play for the Titans.


All-time IWU Scoring
1. Jack Sikma 2272 -- 1973-77
2. Blaise Bugajski 2062 -- 1979-84
3. Bryan Crabtree 1871 -- 1993-97
4. Luke Kasten 1848 -- 1999-03
5. Greg Yess 1833 -- 1978-82
6. Korey Coon 1782 -- 1996-00
7. Keelan Amelianovich 1603 -- 2002-06
8. Zach Freeman 1585 -- 2003 - present

All-time IWU Rebounding
1. Jack Sikma 1405 -- 1973-77
2. Sheldon Thompson 1069 -- 1967-71
3. Greg Yess 1068 -- 1978-82
4. Ken Lock 793 -- 1962-66
5 Zach Freeman 777 -- 2003 - present

[AndOne]

One other thing you have to look at when deciding a MVP, MOP, etc.  is this.  Where would the team be without him (the candidate)?
I think Ruch is a great player and think he is a first team AC candidate.  However, I do think Elmhurst would be close to where they are at, without him.
IWU would not even be close to where they are currently at without Freeman, who has been the backbone of the team all year.  This is why IMO, I would give it to Freeman right now.
Wheaton has Standard, Wiele, and Panner up and coming, which makes me think they would still be close to their current setting without Raymond.
Walton, well I know AndOne has the nationalistic pride like I do for Elmhurst.    I think Walton is a good player, but IMO not in the same class as the other 3.

1. I agree Ruch is great. I have a prob believing EC would be close to where they are without him.

2. Agree IWU would not be close to where they are without Freeman. I think IWU is perhaps the team with the largest gap between their best and second best players. Is this a good criteria for MOP?

3. I think Raymond is the most dangerous shooter in that he is the one I would want shooting the last second shot to win the game. Next one I'd take in this scenario is Burks. However, I don't think Raymond is in the top 5  ALL AROUND players.

4. I believe Walton who is 8th in scoring, tied for 3rd in rebounds, 3rd in FG%, T9th in assists, T5th in steals, T5th in blocks, and first in def. rebounds is one of the top 5 ALL AROUND players in the league. Also, where would NCC be without him?

[AndOne]

Anyone else amazed that Zach Freeman is yet to have the title "CCIW Conference Player of the Week" next to his name for this season?

Yes!

[AndOne]

Zach Freeman has moved into some elite company.  He'll leave as one of the best 5-7 players to ever play for the Titans.


All-time IWU Scoring
1. Jack Sikma 2272 -- 1973-77
2. Blaise Bugajski 2062 -- 1979-84
3. Bryan Crabtree 1871 -- 1993-97
4. Luke Kasten 1848 -- 1999-03
5. Greg Yess 1833 -- 1978-82
6. Korey Coon 1782 -- 1996-00
7. Keelan Amelianovich 1603 -- 2002-06
8. Zach Freeman 1585 -- 2003 - present

When a great future PRO like Sikma scores 2272 ending in '77 it kinda boggles my mind (how 'bout anyone else's?) that Bill Warden scored 2249 for North Central ENDING IN 1955! This of course was before the 3 point shot and when basketball was played at a MUCH slower pace!

[Gregory Sager]

When a great future PRO like Sikma scores 2272 ending in '77 it kinda boggles my mind (how 'bout anyone else's?) that Bill Warden scored 2249 for North Central ENDING IN 1955! This of course was before the 3 point shot and when basketball was played at a MUCH slower pace!

Leon Gobczynski of Millikin is the most prolific scorer in CCIW history, and he, too, played in the pre-trey era. From 1971-75 Gobo scored 2,635 points for the Big Blue.