MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[tjcummingsfan]

Man, I wish North Park could have taken that one last night.  How sweet it would have been to be one of the top 4 teams in the conference after being picked 8th.  I think whats so frustrating/exciting is that North Park could just as easily be 9-4 right now, instead of 5-8, losting 4 close games to Carthage and Elmhurst.  Part of that is just experience.  I would hope that next year North Park would take those close games, or at least 3 of 4.  I also hope we can win games at home, which would help attendance (but would also be helped by attendance I think).

Can't wait for senior night against Wesleyan.  It'd be nice to sweep them too.  Would make for kind of a weird conference season...sweeping NC, Millikin, and IWU, and get swept by Elmhurst, Augie, Wheaton and Carthage.  Makes us pretty assured of the fact that we are exactly the 5th best team in the conference...

[79jaybird]

AndOne,  I am not defending ECDubb and I am not saying what ECDubb said/commented was right or wrong.  I was not there, didn't hear the comments, and thus can't really comment on them.
What I am saying is The Cardinals won a good ball game and beat a good team.  There is no reason for the Cardinals to be Sore Winners OR the Bluejays to be Sore Losers.  (Now this might not pertain to you specifically) but there are posters on this board that "hop on" just to rant/rave/be sore winners/losers for their team.  
I think both teams last night are playoff caliber teams that need to win a few more games to get into the big dance.  I don't think they need to carry the "extracurriculars" with them.

[79jaybird]

How were the NC players cheerleaders last night?
I guess I was just surprised more than anything that the NC bench was chanting to "rise up" their players.  Normally you don't see the bench acting as a crowd riser, and they leave that for the cheerleaders, pep bands, and fans.    As a visitor, I just felt that the bench chanting was a little "Bush League" and not appropriate for a good battle between 2 good rivals.  That is just my opinion and it's done and over with.  On to the Wheaton game Saturday.

The way I see it.  If Elmhurst wins their final 2 games and wins 1 in the CCIW tournament, I think they will be in good shape.  That would give them 21 wins.
If They lose 1 of their last 2 games, then I think Elmhurst really has to win the CCIW Tournament because with 20 wins, they might not be in the "safe zone".

Wheaton and Carthage I agree with some earlier posters that they need to win out. North Central is fighting hard and has to do the same as W & C.

I would give a few votes to Paul Breneghan as Coach of the Year.  I know most likely it will go to Giovanine, but I think Breneghan is doing a great job at the Park.

[ecdubb420]

kudos to NCC.  Simmons kept cool and played one hell of a game.  If he can keep up that attitude NCC has a great shot at making it to the tournament.  
Walton and Smith (with Simmons) killed EC.  Great coaching job by Raridon exploiting a one-dimensional EC attack.  Scherer was greatly missed and though I'm a huge supporter of Baines, he was in over his head tonight against a coach I believe is headed for bigger things down the road.
Even without Drennen, this NCC team is very dangerous.  Of all the teams I've seen this season, only Augie has looked as good.  
Back to Simmons, I've said for years that I was waiting for the game where he kept it all together, but just believed it would never happen (from his antics of past).  Well done Anthony.  Being a former athletic headcase myself (who also battled numerous injuries), its good to see that he kept it together for the full 40-min and lead his team to a huge victory.
See any supporters of the CCIW in Rock Island for a great conference tournament.

[augie22]

Congrats to Augie players and staff on back to back conference champs.  The "Carver Magic" will be at its all time best Saturday night due to the amount of people coming back for the Alumini game.  Featured players such as Drew Carstens (04), Kirk Anderson (94), Aben Cooper (94) and Shaun Clements(04) are rumored to be playing in the pre-game festivities.  Should make for a great night!!!

[knarocky22]

If the NC bench was actually chanting, I'm with jaybird on this one.  That's kinda junior high softballish.  If they were just clapping or motioning for the crowd to get into the game I have no problem with that.

[AndOne]

Its not attacking him on a personal basis if he's commenting on his on-court personality... it is no different from calling a player a ballhog or soft. 

Its pretty rediculous for you to try and force an apology form ECdub at the game.  Just because its your opinion that broadcasters aren't entitled to opinions on the players they've seen play for 4 years, and ought to apologize for any negative comment made about their presence on the court, doesn't mean you have the right to attempt to guilt someone in to an on-air apology. 

Its getting really old watching you champion Simmons on this subject, whether you know him or not. 

tj----

When you interject personality into a discussion of basketball skills you, by definition are indeed attacking on a personal basis. Personality implies a personal side to things. As far as referring to a player as soft or a ball hog, I think just about everyone on here has used that level of terminology. If thats the worst thing you can call a player, I'd say he is a pretty darn good player--which is just what I think the players I was referring to are. I just think that they could be better-one if he would play a little tougher and the other if he would pass the ball a little more and shoot a little less--thats all. Also, immediately after I posted the comment about the player I referred to as soft, 3 more posters indicated they shared the same feelings. So, it was not even my opinion alone.

I did not try to "force" an apology. You weren't there and as such you don't know what the heck you are talking about. Admit it. I merely offered ECDubb and his partner the opportunity to interview Simmons. Thats ALL I said. The content of the interview would have been entirely up to them. I only said that it would have presented the opportunity to offer the apology in that forum. As I said, YOU were not privy to that conversation so you are just spouting off because you don't particularly care for Anthony.

If sticking up for a someone I know is a crime, then I'm guilty.  If you are tired of me sticking up for him, just don't read my post. But, if you are going to personally attack my friends, then you are going to get my 2 cents---or in this case my dollars worth too. Lastly, as far as sticking up for a friend is concerned-------maybe your friends should be so lucky? 

[AndOne]

kudos to NCC.  Simmons kept cool and played one hell of a game.  If he can keep up that attitude NCC has a great shot at making it to the tournament. 
Walton and Smith (with Simmons) killed EC.  Great coaching job by Raridon exploiting a one-dimensional EC attack.  Scherer was greatly missed and though I'm a huge supporter of Baines, he was in over his head tonight against a coach I believe is headed for bigger things down the road.
Even without Drennen, this NCC team is very dangerous.  Of all the teams I've seen this season, only Augie has looked as good. 
Back to Simmons, I've said for years that I was waiting for the game where he kept it all together, but just believed it would never happen (from his antics of past).  Well done Anthony.  Being a former athletic headcase myself (who also battled numerous injuries), its good to see that he kept it together for the full 40-min and lead his team to a huge victory.
See any supporters of the CCIW in Rock Island for a great conference tournament.

ECDubb-----

On behalf of Anthony and myself-------THANK YOU!

You have now delivered on what you said you would do.

When I feel I or one of my friends are attacked on a personal level, I have a tendency to come out with all guns blazing. I know from your posts that you are also a strong willed individual who has definate opinions you are not afraid to share.

I think its best we close the book on this subject. Again, thank you.

[nccsports891]

I would like to personally thank Hiker Jim for his comments about the North Central broadcast last night. I appreciate it very much, and for the record, I would love the opportunity to work with Bob during the CCIW Tournament. I'm not sure how one would go about getting that opportunity, but it would certainly be a privilege.

[armywife]

Is there any chance that Augie will be webcasting the alumni game this Saturday? I know it's just for fun, but I'd love to listen in. I know those guys enjoy going back there for those. Should be a fun atmosphere at Augie, I wish I could be there to enjoy it. 

[Sakman 1111]

I would like to personally thank Hiker Jim for his comments about the North Central broadcast last night. I appreciate it very much, and for the record, I would love the opportunity to work with Bob during the CCIW Tournament. I'm not sure how one would go about getting that opportunity, but it would certainly be a privilege.

Listened to the broadcast also last night(Bluejay fan) and my cudos to you very nice job. Finally got pissed off at the Elmhurst substitute patterns half way through the second half and shut it off. I agree with Hiker Jim .

[Titan Q]

Nice Kent Raymond feature in the Chicago Sun Times today...

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/258150,CST-SPT-small15.article

[tjcummingsfan]

tj----

When you interject personality into a discussion of basketball skills you, by definition are indeed attacking on a personal basis. Personality implies a personal side to things. As far as referring to a player as soft or a ball hog, I think just about everyone on here has used that level of terminology. If thats the worst thing you can call a player, I'd say he is a pretty darn good player--which is just what I think the players I was referring to are. I just think that they could be better-one if he would play a little tougher and the other if he would pass the ball a little more and shoot a little less--thats all. Also, immediately after I posted the comment about the player I referred to as soft, 3 more posters indicated they shared the same feelings. So, it was not even my opinion alone.

I did not try to "force" an apology. You weren't there and as such you don't know what the heck you are talking about. Admit it. I merely offered ECDubb and his partner the opportunity to interview Simmons. Thats ALL I said. The content of the interview would have been entirely up to them. I only said that it would have presented the opportunity to offer the apology in that forum. As I said, YOU were not privy to that conversation so you are just spouting off because you don't particularly care for Anthony.

If sticking up for a someone I know is a crime, then I'm guilty.  If you are tired of me sticking up for him, just don't read my post. But, if you are going to personally attack my friends, then you are going to get my 2 cents---or in this case my dollars worth too. Lastly, as far as sticking up for a friend is concerned-------maybe your friends should be so lucky? 

We'll just have to agree to disagree on the personality on the court thing, because I don't ever agree that its different than being a ballhog, etc.  Being a ballhog says something about the personality of that player too.  Simmons could be an amazing guy off the court, and for all I know, and from what you say, he is.  On the court, agin, from what I've heard he can easily take himself out of a game mentally/emotionally.

A couple more things.  I haven't ever said I don't care for Simmons.  I had no problem with him when he came to play at the Crackerbox.  Really, I didn't even notice him apart from a comment from someone saying he was surprised Simmons didn't explode after a terrible call against him.  I have nothing against him at all, don't put words in my mouth.  Its you attacking a poster and demanding things that may or may not be owed to a player that I take issue with.  Allow others to have their opinions, just as you have yours.  

[armywife]

I just read the article about Kent Raymond that Q put up. That was a great article and shows the caliber of players Wheaton routinely puts on the floor. I can't imagine how hard he must have wrestled with that decision and how hard it was for him to follow through with it. What an amazing example of putting first things first.

[tuvwxyz]

Its not attacking him on a personal basis if he's commenting on his on-court personality... it is no different from calling a player a ballhog or soft. 

Its pretty rediculous for you to try and force an apology form ECdub at the game.  Just because its your opinion that broadcasters aren't entitled to opinions on the players they've seen play for 4 years, and ought to apologize for any negative comment made about their presence on the court, doesn't mean you have the right to attempt to guilt someone in to an on-air apology. 

Its getting really old watching you champion Simmons on this subject, whether you know him or not. 

tj----

When you interject personality into a discussion of basketball skills you, by definition are indeed attacking on a personal basis. Personality implies a personal side to things. As far as referring to a player as soft or a ball hog, I think just about everyone on here has used that level of terminology. If thats the worst thing you can call a player, I'd say he is a pretty darn good player--which is just what I think the players I was referring to are. I just think that they could be better-one if he would play a little tougher and the other if he would pass the ball a little more and shoot a little less--thats all. Also, immediately after I posted the comment about the player I referred to as soft, 3 more posters indicated they shared the same feelings. So, it was not even my opinion alone.

I did not try to "force" an apology. You weren't there and as such you don't know what the heck you are talking about. Admit it. I merely offered ECDubb and his partner the opportunity to interview Simmons. Thats ALL I said. The content of the interview would have been entirely up to them. I only said that it would have presented the opportunity to offer the apology in that forum. As I said, YOU were not privy to that conversation so you are just spouting off because you don't particularly care for Anthony.

If sticking up for a someone I know is a crime, then I'm guilty.  If you are tired of me sticking up for him, just don't read my post. But, if you are going to personally attack my friends, then you are going to get my 2 cents---or in this case my dollars worth too. Lastly, as far as sticking up for a friend is concerned-------maybe your friends should be so lucky? 

Wow, someone feels pretty high on themself! Time to come down from the mountaintop.