MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Pat Coleman]

Either that or the D3hoops.com poll means nothing whatsoever to the NCAA committee.

Unfortunately this has always been true.

[TheHerr]

Either that or the D3hoops.com poll means nothing whatsoever to the NCAA committee.

Unfortunately this has always been true.

Has there ever been thoughts by the NCAA to put out an official D3 Poll?

[Pat Coleman]

I doubt it -- they don't do it in any other sport to my understanding. The NCAA doesn't do national rankings and doesn't do All-American teams.

[tuvwxyz]

While it seems Elmhurst and the CCIW got the shaft during the selection process, the coach and the fans should stop crying like a bunch of little girls. If you wanted a bid, you should have won the conference tourney, it's really that simple. Everyone knew the rules going in to the season, you can't play the year and count on pool B or C bids, shut up and play is what I like to say.

Crying? It was called an explanation. If it was your team you would feel differently.

It's plain and simple. The committee is always going to flex their muscles and show their East Coast bias.
Ask them if they would contemplate moving the Final Four around?  That contemplation would last about 5 seconds.

[Pat Coleman]

I think they would contemplate it, actually, if anyone was actually organized enough to beat Salem's bid every three years.

[mr_b]

While it seems Elmhurst and the CCIW got the shaft during the selection process, the coach and the fans should stop crying like a bunch of little girls. If you wanted a bid, you should have won the conference tourney, it's really that simple. Everyone knew the rules going in to the season, you can't play the year and count on pool B or C bids, shut up and play is what I like to say.

Rob,

Do you think the CCIW was deserving of two spots in the NCAA Tournament?

[usee]

I'm kinda glad you said it Rob, it is getting old listening to everyone complain.  I feel bad for the fans, and the players and the coach, it stinks not to get in, but I don't think  we need to hear every Elmhurst, or heck even just CCIW fan's take on how much it stinks.  We get it. 

TJ/robberki,

this is the obvious topic for the board for this time of year. certainly understandable to have this debate on here the day after selections and the day of pairings.

the other option for you guys is to sign off for a week or so and stop reading it. Or, even better, add something else to the conversation. be a part of the solution not part of the problem

[79jaybird]

Thank you Pat and Greg for answering my initial question a few pages back.  I hope I didn't "ignite" a verbal war between the two of you.  
Wow!  Augie who I feel is a Final 4 Team should be just as disappointed with the "Lords of D3" as Elmhurst should be.  The Vikings have been placed in a difficult field as Carroll is no pushover, and the Thommies are a very good ballclub!

Coach Scherrer has always been, and will continue to be a Class Act.  I feel for Coach as he lost his Mother during the season, yet was able to get his team to 1 win away from the AQ.  I don't know if I could continue to coach that soon if my Mother/Father were to pass during the year.    On the press release, I think Coach Scherrer is right on and not badgering anybody.

HikerJim is right, that unfortunately the NCAA is all about the greenback and they throw the human spirit right out of the window too many times.

"Elmhurst not a Championship Caliber Team etc."    Maybe not a National Championship contender, however Pat you do mention you think they are worthy of a Sweet 16.  I agree with Sweet 16, Elite 8, and possibly a Final 4.  In the spirit of this hypothesis, wouldn't you agree that it would be beneficial then to give the Jays a chance to prove these hypothesis correct?

Robberki, just my opinion here but I don't necessarily agree with your post here.  Sometimes if you get enough people/followers to make a point, you can show the powers that be that something has to be done, due to the fact that many people (not just EC fans as Greg shows)  are not happy with the results.

[79jaybird]

On the subject of Final Four location...  I have been to Salem once and that was a few years back.  My initial impressions were that the Salem area and Salem Civic Center was a great place to have the Final 4.  Really, I find the VA, NC, and Chattanooga, TN areas quite picturesque but that's an entire different discussion.

Just to throw my opinion again,  I would be interested to see if the Final 4 could have a "roving locale" ala the Super Bowl between Pasadena, Miami, etc.
Could you imagine having the Final 4 at the United Center or Allstate Arena (formerly Rosemont Horizon for those who don't know) that would be really interesting!  Having the Final 4 and D3's best right in our backyard.  I know this will never happen, but that would be pretty cool.

[robberki]

While it seems Elmhurst and the CCIW got the shaft during the selection process, the coach and the fans should stop crying like a bunch of little girls. If you wanted a bid, you should have won the conference tourney, it's really that simple. Everyone knew the rules going in to the season, you can't play the year and count on pool B or C bids, shut up and play is what I like to say.

Rob,

Do you think the CCIW was deserving of two spots in the NCAA Tournament?

Yes I do, I think a lot of years the CCIW deserves 3 teams. That being said, to guarantee a spot you need to win our conferences AQ, if you don't, well...it sucks but too bad. You need to take care of business.

[robberki]

I'm kinda glad you said it Rob, it is getting old listening to everyone complain.  I feel bad for the fans, and the players and the coach, it stinks not to get in, but I don't think  we need to hear every Elmhurst, or heck even just CCIW fan's take on how much it stinks.  We get it. 

TJ/robberki,

this is the obvious topic for the board for this time of year. certainly understandable to have this debate on here the day after selections and the day of pairings.

the other option for you guys is to sign off for a week or so and stop reading it. Or, even better, add something else to the conversation. be a part of the solution not part of the problem

My solution is to take care of business and don't whine if you don't. I was involved in a nicely contested CCIW contest and we pee'd down our leg, but you don't hear me "debate" the issue...and I know my options, I'll post if I want, but thanks for the suggestion.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Pat,

Obviously I like 18 Cs better than 5, and the most likely title contenders are unlikely to sit out.  But as long as the C selection criteria remain so illogical, plausible contenders will sometimes sit while C teams will get in that IMO have a near-zero chance of Salem.  While I won't name names on the latter, I can readily think of four non-participants that IMO would be very plausibly one hot streak away from the Walnut-and-Bronze: Elmhurst, Witt, and the two WIACs ('skosh and LaX).

[robberki]

Let me clarify my thoughts, my post wasn't directed at Elmhurst, who I feel is deserving of a bid, but more the debate afterwards. It sucks, I get it, you want to keep playing, but getting to play is a priviledge that you earn, it's not a right. With an ambigious selection process you can't count on getting anything, even if you're undefeated, unless you win your AQ.
I'd like to add, that I like it that way. In fact, I'm in favor of fewer bids, I like the regular season, particularly the conference season, to mean something. You should have to win something substantial for the opportunity to win a national title..just MHO.

[usee]

I'm kinda glad you said it Rob, it is getting old listening to everyone complain.  I feel bad for the fans, and the players and the coach, it stinks not to get in, but I don't think  we need to hear every Elmhurst, or heck even just CCIW fan's take on how much it stinks.  We get it. 

TJ/robberki,

this is the obvious topic for the board for this time of year. certainly understandable to have this debate on here the day after selections and the day of pairings.

the other option for you guys is to sign off for a week or so and stop reading it. Or, even better, add something else to the conversation. be a part of the solution not part of the problem

My solution is to take care of business and don't whine if you don't. I was involved in a nicely contested CCIW contest and we pee'd down our leg, but you don't hear me "debate" the issue...and I know my options, I'll post if I want, but thanks for the suggestion.

thanks. love to have you post when you want. you can trust others will do the same.

I don't think anyone on here "pee'd down their leg". last I checked it is just fans complaining about their teams. there are several arguements on here that appear and reappear and will continue to do so ad infinitum. this tourney selection stuff is one of them. scheduling, refs, all conf selections, etc. they all appear and dominate the conversation from time to time. I don't expect that to change.

but of course you are certainly entitled to come on here and post to "complain about the complainers".....bring it on.  

[sju56321]

79-I agree it would be nice to rotate the location of the finals and here in the Chicago area there are plenty of locations, would have to make sure no conflict with the Big Ten Championship. I like what DIII hockey is doing and having the location out west, in Wisconsin, once in a while. It would be good for all the local talent we have here to see the play of DIII on a national level.