MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[diehardfan]

Here is the Pantagraph's article on IWU recruit Matt Schick...

http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2007/04/23/sports/125633.txt

From the looks of the picture attached to that article, that boy seriously needs some food!

I'd share any Wheaton recruit information if I knew anything... Hmm... well actually, no, I wouldn't.

Congrats to the 2003 MOPFC for landing the Prospect HS head coaching gig!

[petemcb]

OK.  I get the MOP part.  What's the FC?

[BeastMaster]

I must say millikin33 that your comments about coach littrell are quite rude in my opinion. I know your background from your short playing days at Millikin and don't understand why you choose such hateful words and opinions about the former coach. After all, it was you who chose to go against coach littrell's wishes on your 21st birthday. I don't see how you hold coach littrell responsible for your immediate dismissal from the team. You made the bad decision and suffered the appropriate consequences. I would appreciate you ending your negatve comments and hostilities toward coach littrell from here on out and focus on the future. This personal vendetta is over! Coach Littrell is one of the best men I have ever known and I feel many posters on here have a great deal of respect for him. All of his recruits had a great appreciation for him and I am tired of your Littrell bashing! Thank you

[diehardfan]

OK.  I get the MOP part.  What's the FC?

It's an old joke from my beginning years of posting.... it's probably a good thing that there aren't many people around anymore who remember that!

I must say millikin33 that your comments about coach littrell are quite rude in my opinion. I know your background from your short playing days at Millikin and don't understand why you choose such hateful words and opinions about the former coach. After all, it was you who chose to go against coach littrell's wishes on your 21st birthday. I don't see how you hold coach littrell responsible for your immediate dismissal from the team. You made the bad decision and suffered the appropriate consequences. I would appreciate you ending your negatve comments and hostilities toward coach littrell from here on out and focus on the future. This personal vendetta is over! Coach Littrell is one of the best men I have ever known and I feel many posters on here have a great deal of respect for him. All of his recruits had a great appreciation for him and I am tired of your Littrell bashing! Thank you

[north central]

Gobigblue: I have nothing against coach Lit  and this has nothing to do with the past or any feelings i may have for Lit.  I actually need to thank him because playing ball at Millikin helped me establish some great relationships.

And in no way did i bash, or make negative comments or hold any vendettas. All i simply did was state the facts. His coaching record was BAD its no way around that. I never commented about his character or him as a person. I actually wish him well and think he is a good guy and a nice guy so I really can care less what happened 8 years ago.

[Dennis_Prikkel]

today's daily herald

announces that John Camardella is the new varsity boys basketball coach at Prospect High School.

Prospect has had 5 straight losing seasons - and is really hurt by the lack of minority players in its basketball program.  Prospect draws its students from 'lily white' middle schools in Mount Prospect, Arlington Heights and Prospect Heights.

And while the village of Mount Prospect has become the midwest gateway for Hispanic immigrants, they all live on the south end of the village and their feeder schools feed Rolling Meadows or Elk Grove high schools.

MW 70:3

and sorried if i butchered the speeling of his name.

The spelling was fine.  The content was what I found interesting.  I must have missed the masses of minority players that Glenbrook North (2005 Class AA) and Schaumburg (2001 Class AA) were loaded with when they won their Illinois state championships.  I also missed the connection between Rolling Meadows' and Elk Grove's Hispanic immigration populations and the discussion of basketball success in the northwest suburbs.

The school in question, Prospect, and to that group you can add Rolling Meadows and Elk Grove as well, have all been hurt by a lack of imagination in their approach to offensive basketball.  It doesn't help that they don't seem to get any players from their feeder schools that show they know how to create their own shot.  Their games are boring and an agony to watch. 

Sort of like watching the present North Park teams try to play Wheaton... no imagination and no preparation.

That Prospect is 'lily white' and both Meadows and Grove have large Hispanic populations which have NOT embraced basketball (or many other sports for that matter), have left these three schools with a definite lack of interesting basketball talent.

I served on the D59 school board, which feeds Grove and Meadows, and to a small degree Prospect, and I served on the Mount Prospect Village Board, so I have a pretty good idea of the demographics of the area.

One reason Schaumburg is so good is that these other schools are so bad and so lackluster is that Schaumburg has a really good coach and their kids play agressive offensive basketball - which most of the MSL does not.


dgp, imnsho

[Late nite]

Mike Avallone has committed to Augie---Neuqua played an 11 man rotation so he did not compile the stats of some of the previous recruits that were mentioned, but another great shooter from Neuqua in the tradition of Amelianovich and Brusveen---Back-to-back recruiting seasons have produced the top two big, 6'4" shooting guards from the Upstate 8---Waller from DeKalb and Avallone from Neuqua---Critical componenets in the system that Augie runs

First of all, Avallone played forward, not guard for Neuqua.

Secondly, I don't believe he even made all conference in the Upstate 8. Players who are not all conference in high school often do not make much of a contribution in the highly competitive CCIW.

Third,  I don't know how much court time he will see at Augie as they are already well stocked at the forward position with Rorer, Collins, Bertrand, and Carleton plus a couple of other forwards who were on the JV team. He will be buried deep down on the depth chart and will see little playing time at the varsity level. Chances are that he will get to enjoy whatever academic and social aspects that Augie affords moreso than the athletic experience. 

AndOne---Avallone was recruited to play the 2 at Augie---Not the 4---All of his skills are that of a shooting guard---To compare his skills, to Rorer, Carlton, Bertrand and Carleton, all 4/5s, is just plain stupid---Did you ever see him play??---He was a wing in the Neuqua system, just as he will be with the Vikes---His senior season didn't produce the stats that you are looking for, but the Neuqua system (11 man rotation) and the first 6 weeks of the season sidelined with mono probably set him back some---In agreement with Q, he will be a productive player for the Vikes in the FUTURE---Very few freshman come into an established, winning Augie program and contribute---Harrigan played JV for a season and a half before he got his chance---The interest of the two top programs in the conference, Augie and IWU, convinces me that there is something to like about the player ---I'll trust the judgement of the coaching staffs rather than someone like you who has limited knowledge, but plenty of opinions

[diehardfan]

I just wanted to take the time to publicly express my appreciation that Pat has changed the HOFer name color on the front page to Orange instead of Green.

As a co-promoter of the idea that the jackets should actually be Orange (along with with my fellow HOFer Sac), the switch from TitanQ's IWU colors to Wheaton's and Hope's is much appreciated.  8)

[pistol]

Any NCC recruiting news? Anyone?

[AndOne]

Late---

I'll match my knowledge up against yours any time. Additionally, as far as opinions go, nobody is correct 100% of the time, but historically several of the most knowledgeable people on here have agreed with my opinions far more often than they have yours. You prev stated "back to back seasons have produced the top two, big 6'4" shooting guards from the Upstate 8." Avallone did NOT play guard at Neuqua. He was even listed as a forward on the roster. He will also NOT play guard at Augie. He lacks the speed, the dribbling ability, and the passing skills necessary to play a guard position at the college level. IF he plays it will be as a wing player at the 3 position. I never said anything that could even be remotely construed as thinking he would play the 4 position. If your reading and comprehension skills were at an adult level you would have realized that fact.
Furthermore, he won't see any meaningful action, baring injury to another player, until his junior year at the earliest.   

With regard to your opinion about the top TWO programs, I believe posters who are fans of other than the fine programs at Augie and IWU might give you an argument.

Lastly, learn a few more descriptive terms other than your constant use of the childish "stupid" when you disagree with someone. "Stupid" merely reflects both your limited intellectual and and emotional development.     

[titanfan]

I see that Logan Derrick and Shannon Adams of Warren are going to Carthage.

[pistol]

And One -

I'll match my knowledge against YOURS - ANYTIME. I watched NV play 12-15 times over the last two years. The Upstate 8 is not a quality basketball conference. But, Avallone is a very good off guard. Size does matter. All of 6'4'', good perimeter shooter. In the right system, he can be a very good CCIW player.

Anytime...

[north central]

wow I wish us millikin fans could be arguing over how good our recruits are but i dont really know anything about any millikin recruits. Any info?
And could someone give me an opinion on Millikin guard Drew Gensler. I have heard conflicting reports. Some people said he was really good and others say he was just average but he put up numbers only because he was the best player on a bad team.  Someone give me an evaluation.

[AndOne]

Pistol---

So the Upstate 8 is not a "quality basketball conference" as you put it. OK, fine.
So that means you have a player who didn't make all conference (I know that doesn't guarantee failure) from a conference that is not a "quality basketbal conference" and you expect him to be a significant contributor. I beg to differ. Augie is the defending conference champ that has a bunch of returning players who can hit from the wing as well as Avallone and who are better ball handlers, better defenders, better rebounders, and can run faster and jump higher, and you still think he will be a "very good CCIW player?" I think that all adds up to the fact that your knowledge is lacking and your conclusions are, as Mr. Spock would say, illogical.
Your Pistol doesn't seem to be shooting very straight. Maybe it jammed on you!! 

Augie boosters-----Augie is a real good team. You also have good returning players. All I'm saying is I don't think this player will make any kind of valuable contribution until at least his junior year.

[AndOne]

wow I wish us millikin fans could be arguing over how good our recruits are but i dont really know anything about any millikin recruits. Any info?
And could someone give me an opinion on Millikin guard Drew Gensler. I have heard conflicting reports. Some people said he was really good and others say he was just average but he put up numbers only because he was the best player on a bad team.  Someone give me an evaluation.

Millikin----

IMO, Gensler is a very good player who would be a valuable contributor on just about any team. I don't think his numbers are what they are only because, as you put it, he is the "best player on a bad team." Actually, its thats true it only serves notice of just how good he is as if the rest of the team isn't that good, the opposition can sluff off on other players and concentrate more/double him at times, thus making it even harder to put up the numbers he does.

I think if he could gain some added strength he would be even better than he already is.