MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Titan Q]

Here is the Pantagraph's article on Edmond O'Callaghan and Duncan Lawson...

http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2007/04/24/sports/doc462e8730b2227756141903.txt

[hoops2007]

First of all, I want to say GO gobigblue.. I don't understand the reasoning behind millikin33 to bash Coach Lit over and over again... If anyone knew your background with the Millikin basketball program, nothing you say would be legitimate...  Tim Littrell and Todd Creal were going to have the best recruiting class since Lit has been head coach but have lost all of those players to better schools including Illinois Wesleyan. (GO TITANS)  If you dont believe me, get a copy of the decatur tribune... I also agree with gobigblue that Coach Lit is an amazing person.. he has put his heart and soul into everyone one of his students and players... and I also believe that most of his players would tell you that (besides millikin33)  Millikin made a huge mistake firing Coach Littrelll because so many people were behind him.. the school not only lost many good players but lost many financial supporters... rumor also has it that the new coach was late for his press conference.. Drew Gensler is a great player and there have been many other good players on the team.. Hopefully Drew will decide to play elsewhere (IWU), Coach Lit will be better off not being in the athletic department at Millikin University.. He will find a much better job to put all of his hard work and commitment into...

[AndOne]

First of all, I want to say GO gobigblue.. I don't understand the reasoning behind millikin33 to bash Coach Lit over and over again... If anyone knew your background with the Millikin basketball program, nothing you say would be legitimate...  Tim Littrell and Todd Creal were going to have the best recruiting class since Lit has been head coach but have lost all of those players to better schools including Illinois Wesleyan. (GO TITANS)  If you dont believe me, get a copy of the decatur tribune... I also agree with gobigblue that Coach Lit is an amazing person.. he has put his heart and soul into everyone one of his students and players... and I also believe that most of his players would tell you that (besides millikin33)  Millikin made a huge mistake firing Coach Littrelll because so many people were behind him.. the school not only lost many good players but lost many financial supporters... rumor also has it that the new coach was late for his press conference.. Drew Gensler is a great player and there have been many other good players on the team.. Hopefully Drew will decide to play elsewhere (IWU), Coach Lit will be better off not being in the athletic department at Millikin University.. He will find a much better job to put all of his hard work and commitment into...

Hoops----

Any team would be glad to have Gensler. However, IF he does transfer, the chances he'd move to another CCIW school are remote at best as he would be forced to sit out the upcoming season. This is due to the conference rule that imposes such a penalty when a transfer is made to another school within the conference.

[pistol]

Live long and prosper  AndOne (i can't believe i just typed that)

Nequa system of playing 10-11 players and illness is reason enough he didn't make all conference. I wanted him at NCC. Coach missed another good player in his back yard.  Reminds me of Dan Walton with more perimeter skills.

 

[knarocky22]

AndOne, I don't think anyone is saying that Avallone will contribute right away.  It's been pretty much the concensus that he will be a productive player his junior and senior years.  Late nite even said that he expects Avallone to be a productive player in the FUTURE because as he put it, "Very few freshman come into an established, winning Augie program and contribute."

I agree that the Vikings are pretty much set at guard and small forward with Brett Wessels, Keaton Frye, Delp, Pelton, Rorer, and Alex Washington, along with some other guys who saw strictly JV action last year.  However, Avallone could be a good, productive player after some of those guys are gone.

[robertgoulet]

Not recruiting news, but I feel it's relevant...

Former North Central head coach Benjy Taylor has been chosen to take the head coach position at Chicago State.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2840606


Not really sure what to think about the hire, to be honest.

[Pat Coleman]

Probably the same thing we thought a week ago.

[Late nite]

Late---

I'll match my knowledge up against yours any time. Additionally, as far as opinions go, nobody is correct 100% of the time, but historically several of the most knowledgeable people on here have agreed with my opinions far more often than they have yours. You prev stated "back to back seasons have produced the top two, big 6'4" shooting guards from the Upstate 8." Avallone did NOT play guard at Neuqua. He was even listed as a forward on the roster. He will also NOT play guard at Augie. He lacks the speed, the dribbling ability, and the passing skills necessary to play a guard position at the college level. IF he plays it will be as a wing player at the 3 position. I never said anything that could even be remotely construed as thinking he would play the 4 position. If your reading and comprehension skills were at an adult level you would have realized that fact.
Furthermore, he won't see any meaningful action, baring injury to another player, until his junior year at the earliest.  

With regard to your opinion about the top TWO programs, I believe posters who are fans of other than the fine programs at Augie and IWU might give you an argument.

Lastly, learn a few more descriptive terms other than your constant use of the childish "stupid" when you disagree with someone. "Stupid" merely reflects both your limited intellectual and and emotional development.     

In your previous post, you referred to Collins, Rorer, Bertram and Carleton as competition for playing time. Every one is an INSIDE 4/5 PLAYER.  Not one perimeter player in the bunch. Get a clue.  It's obvious that you haven't watched this team on a consistent basis.  The top two programs is not an opinion.  Augie and IWU have enjoyed more basketball success in the CCIW than any of the other teams.  Check the records.  Unlike your uneducated and unsubstantiated (Is that better?) opinions, that is FACT. 

[AndOne]

Yes Late, much better. Congratulations on the improvement.
However, I believe you are still giving out some erroneous information. NONE of the players (Collins, Rorer, Bertram, or Carleton) you report as playing the 4/5 positions last season for Augie played the 5. In fact, the 5s for Augie were Dain Swetalla, Joe Caricato, and Dan Rukavina. You can look it up!
Additionally, I don't think Collins, Rorer, Bertram, and Carleton all played the 4. If they did, you're half right, and I'll give you credit for that.   

[AndOne]

Not recruiting news, but I feel it's relevant...

Former North Central head coach Benjy Taylor has been chosen to take the head coach position at Chicago State.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2840606


Not really sure what to think about the hire, to be honest.

Not recruiting news, Robert. OLD news.   
And-----relevant to what?   
What to think about the hire---who knows---or cares?   

As several of his former players have said he could talk the talk, but couldn't walk the walk. He was & prob still is a great recruiter. He has a gift for gab with just enough BS mixed in. However, he spent more time screaming and stomping his foot than coaching. His substitutions of 2,3, or 4 players every 3 or 4 minutes prevented the development of a cohesive unit. I still remember a game in which a player had just hit 3 threes in a row only to be pulled by Benjy.
And, not that many of the CCIW referees are anything to shout about, but there wasn't much doubt that while he was at NCC, Benjy was the most hated coach by the vast majority of the refs.

[Titan Q]

Here is IWU's tentative 2007-08 schedule...

http://www.iwuhoops.com/sch07-08.doc


Non-conference games include:

@ Albion tournament
@ Albion tournament
vs Olivet Nazarene
vs Dominican#
vs Beloit#
@ Illinois College#
@ Wash U#
@ U. of Chicago#
vs Hanover#
@ Occidental (L.A.)#
@ Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (Claremont, CA)#

#= in-region game

(I'm not sure who the other teams at the Albion opening tournament are.)

[north central]

Well one thing is for sure I dont know much about Benjy  Taylor but I know Chicago State is certainly one of the toughest jobs in the nation. They are not even in a conference. Good Luck Benjy  because it will be tough.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

That's quite a schedule for IWU.  This incoming class had better be ready to contribute right away.

[matblake]

That's quite a schedule for IWU.  This incoming class had better be ready to contribute right away.

With that proposed schedule, they will have to.  That Albion tournament could be really tough as well. 

[Late nite]

Yes Late, much better. Congratulations on the improvement.
However, I believe you are still giving out some erroneous information. NONE of the players (Collins, Rorer, Bertram, or Carleton) you report as playing the 4/5 positions last season for Augie played the 5. In fact, the 5s for Augie were Dain Swetalla, Joe Caricato, and Dan Rukavina. You can look it up!
Additionally, I don't think Collins, Rorer, Bertram, and Carleton all played the 4. If they did, you're half right, and I'll give you credit for that.   

Any erroneous information on this subject comes from you.  Collins, Rorer and Bertram were 4's.  Carleton played the 4 and back-up 5 for the JV team.  None of the players came close to resembling a 3.  Most players that play the 3 at the college level are expected to have the skills to knock down some 3 point shots. The 4 players took a TOTAL of 3 shots from the behind the arc FOR THE SEASON (and made none).  With your self-proclaimed knowledge, I'm surprised that you didn't recognize this. Avallone will be a 2 at Augie. He is a shooter.  Not a slasher.  Not a back-to-the-basket player.  No matter what your opinion, he deserves a chance to develop at the college level before jumping to conclusions.  Just like most incoming freshmen, they are a work in progress.  Stick to evaluating the team that you follow.  Being a passionate fan for one team (I assume that is NC), and a casual fan for the other 7 teams in the conference, doesn't qualify you as an expert on every program.