MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[MilkMan25]

Thursday is the last day for the Deerfield league if anyone is interested.  There are the semi-finals at 7 where I think Dominican plays North Park.  And an early rematch of last years championship game of Lawrence vs Crazy 8's.  Then the winners of these games play in the final at 9:20.

[Titan Q]

Zach Freeman with 14 & 10 last night in Phoenix-Hagen exhibition play...

http://www.phoenix-hagen.de/news/aug07/15_08_07.html

[dansand]

The Daily Dose, on the main page, has the first installment in a series of blogs by Jordan Delp about the team's trip to Asia.

[wheatonfanaddict]

my understanding of the NCAA regulation is that every athlete is allowed to participate in 10 semesters of sports.

[cardinalfanrochelle]

Wheatonfanaddict,
                              How would that play out 10 semesters? Football is played in one semester while basketball is played in 2 semesters. Doesn't seem fair by that rule

[AndOne]

my understanding of the NCAA regulation is that every athlete is allowed to participate in 10 semesters of sports.

Hard to believe this is true as I haven't seen any grad students or any 5th year undergrads, either of whom that already played 4 years, playing in their 5th year of undergrad or their 1st year of grad school.

Also---How would this be administered if a school was on the trimester system instead of semesters??? 

[wheatonfanaddict]

AndOne, muskiefanillinois,

my response comes from the NCAA.org/eligibility page:

A student-athlete who is enrolled in a graduate or professional school of the college or university which he/she previously attended as an undergraduate student may participate in intercollegiate athletics, provided he/she has eligibility remaining and is within five calendar years of initial full-time collegiate enrollment for Division I and within the first ten full-time semesters of collegiate enrollment for Divisions II and III.

[martin]

my response comes from the NCAA.org/eligibility page:

A student-athlete who is enrolled in a graduate or professional school of the college or university which he/she previously attended as an undergraduate student may participate in intercollegiate athletics, provided he/she has eligibility remaining and is within five calendar years of initial full-time collegiate enrollment for Division I and within the first ten full-time semesters of collegiate enrollment for Divisions II and III.

Matt Loucks graduated from the University of Chicago in 1995.  He had only played three years of basketball at that time  He went to business school at UofC, graduating in 2001.  He played basketball for UofC in the 2000-01 season, technically as a senior, although he had been an investment banker for four years and was in graduate school.

[AndOne]

AndOne, muskiefanillinois,

my response comes from the NCAA.org/eligibility page:

A student-athlete who is enrolled in a graduate or professional school of the college or university which he/she previously attended as an undergraduate student may participate in intercollegiate athletics, provided he/she has eligibility remaining and is within five calendar years of initial full-time collegiate enrollment for Division I and within the first ten full-time semesters of collegiate enrollment for Divisions II and III.

Wheaton----

I see where you're coming from.

I think the key words are "eligibility remaining." I believe, in DIII anyway, that a player has 10 semesters to use his/her 4 years of eligibility. In the example given my MARTIN, Mr. Loucks had used 3 of his 4 years when he graduated. Six years later, he went to grad school at the same institution and during his 9th and 10th semesters at U of C. he used his 4th (and last) year of eligibility to play basketball.

I'll give you another example. In 2006, North Central's point guard graduated after his 4th year in school, and 4th year playing on the team. In 2006-2007, he attended grad school, also at NC. However, even though he was at the SAME SCHOOL for his grad work that he had attended for the prev 4 yrs, he couldn't play basketball again as he had used his 4 years of eligibility. And believe me, he would have loved to continue playing if he could have.

Another example-----I know another player who has attended school for 4 years and played basketball for each of those 4 years. He is in a 5 year program of study, and will be attending the SAME SCHOOL this coming year. However, he will not be playing, because he has used up his 4 years of eligibility.

I believe this is how it works----we have many exceptionally knowledgeable posters in this room so I am confident we can get confirmation or correction of my interpretation. Anyone care to comment?   

[tjcummingsfan]

From what little I know, I think you're right AndOne, though whether the school they do grad studies at is the same as their undergrad I believe is irrelevant.

[Pat Coleman]

That is not irrelevant. You can't take your graduate school eligibility somewhere else and use it there.

[dansand]

Augie had a running back named Kirk Sanders, who blew out a knee in the first game of 1984, his freshman year.
He came back as a key reserve on the 1985 national championship team, then took off FOUR years. He came back and played in 1990 and, I guess, theoretically, would still have a year of eligibility left.

[tjcummingsfan]

I guess I was just thinking of last year's rule that Rob just informed me was changed.

[Titan Q]

Looks like Zach Freeman is still tough on rims...

http://www.iwuhoops.com/znews.jpg

[north central]

those elgibility rules get tricky though with regards to d 2 and d 1 .
For example I played at millikin for 3 years and  did not play my fourth year but graduated. I had one year of eligibility remaining and I was going to go to eastern and play but the NCAA said I could only be eligible to play at a d2 school so I started grad school and recieved a scholarship to play at  d2 east central university
The NCAA is weird in the fact that they consider any change of schools a transfer but in my case I had graduated so I could no longer attend millikin but they still said I could not "transfer "to a d1 school and play , i could only play d2