MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[wheatonfanaddict]

to conclude my point:

Jordan Kemper played 8 semesters of basketball for Wheaton and since then has played a semester of football also. He was not enrolled for spring semester. He has enrolled for fall semester and will play his last semester of eligibility playing tight end for Wheaton this season. The kid is a beast.

[The Roop]

How would this transfer rule effect the eligibility of a player if his/her normal curriculum required a transfer to complete their degree program ?? I know of an example of this happening, it involves the University of Kentucky and amazingly no violations occurred.

Todd Svoboda was the players name and was a stand out at D2 Northern Kentucky. Per his degree program he was required to transfer to the University of Kentucky for his senior year to compete his advanced coursework. Upon graduation his degree came from the University of Kentucky; not NKU. Pitino couldn't guarantee him any minutes as they were loaded at the time but did allow him to walk-on. He got a few minutes for the Wildcats in mop up duty.

If I understand the new rule correctly (and that's debatable) he would not have been allowed to play even though he would have been following the normal curriculum. I wonder if the NCAA has thought this one completely through.

[Pat Coleman]

I'm sure they've thought it more completely through than you have. There's many reasons to question the NCAA but I think people ought to make an effort to be in possession of all the facts before they wonder out loud about such things.

[The Roop]

While that is true, it still doesn't answer my question. Would an athlete, under the new rule, be allowed to participate if he or she had to transfer because of a specified curriculum ??

[joehakes]

Roop,

Your question does not give enough information to be answerable.  If they have participated in four seasons, they are done in that sport.  The rules are very different in DI and DII from DIII, so the Kentucky analogy does not apply, other than to point out that IF it was the young man's senior year, he still had eligibility left. 

10 semesters to participate in four seasons of a particular sport.  If one has eligibility left and they have not been in school for 10 semesters, they can participate as graduate students at the institution where they received their undergrad degree.  Medical waivers can be obtained if a student-athlete suffers a season-ending injury in the first half of the season (measured by number of completed games vs. game scheduled). 

Anything with transfer status can become sticky, but in most cases the seasons of participation is pretty well understood.  It is part of the NCAA Compliance talk that must be given each year to the athletes.  Whether or not they listen . . . . .

[The Roop]

Todd Svoboda played 3 years at D2 Northern Kentucky, then per his degree requirement, transfered to D1 UK in his senior year to complete his studies. Whether he red-shirted at NKU or not I don't know; but I don't think he did. So he was eligible but would he be eligible by the new rules ??

I will admit that this is a unique situation to bring up but lets be honest............ How many times do D1s actually raid D2 or D3 programs to fill their rosters ?? I'm sure it happens but it is not an everyday event.

The more rules you make the more loop-holes you create. Therefore, fewer rules = fewer loop-holes. 

[Pat Coleman]

It isn't an everyday event because there are rules restricting it. If there weren't rules, then D-II and D-III become the D-I farm system.

[joehakes]

Roop,

I don't know DI rules as well as DIII, but my understanding is that he would not be eligible unless he sat out a year to fulfill the year of residency.  It may well be that the degree requirement had something to do with it.  Many schools have 3-2 arrangements with other schools and it is always a little murky to know whether the change constitutes a transfer or not.

Maybe someone on D1hoops.com could answer that better than I.

[dansand]

Augie wins their opener in China, 98-61 over the Chang'an Parklane Snow Wolves.

http://www.augustana.edu/athletics/mbasketball/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1187654975&archive=&start_from=&ucat=4&

Also, thanks to Pat Coleman for running Jordan Delp's blog entries in the Daily Dose.

[Titan Q]

Augie wins their opener in China, 98-61 over the Chang'an Parklane Snow Wolves.

http://www.augustana.edu/athletics/mbasketball/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1187654975&archive=&start_from=&ucat=4&

Also, thanks to Pat Coleman for running Jordan Delp's blog entries in the Daily Dose.

Jordan Delp is doing a nice job with his blog.

[Pat Coleman]

Yeah -- I'm glad Dave Wrath thought about us and offered them to us.

[The Roop]

It isn't an everyday event because there are rules restricting it. If there weren't rules, then D-II and D-III become the D-I farm system.

How about if you could play right away but not be on scholarship for a year. At least that way the athlete would not be punished for being an athlete. Non-athletes don't have their first years worth of classes negated if they transfer but for an athlete that's essentially what happens because they have to go to school for an extra year. There are obviously exceptions but most kids at the D2 and D3 level are there for a reason, so I don't think transfers would become an epidemic.

And to keep D1 from becoming a farm system for the NBA I think there should be some consequence for bringing in kids that have no intention of playing four years. Not sure what it should be though. Maybe lose a scholarship if somebody leaves before their junior year or something. To offset that I would even say that extra scholarships could be awarded based on graduation rates. Reward the schools for educating not stacking rosters to fill seats.

[markerickson]

This article - http://www.covchurch.org/cov/news/item57810 - focused on NPU's men's soccer team, which has had remarkable success the past few seasons.  As such, the soccer team averaged over 600 fans per home contest.

Unfortunately, NPU men's bball team has not enjoyed the same level of student interest in many years.  I expect the hoopsters to finish better than last year's 13-12 campaign.  Let's get the house rockin' again!!

[Greek Tragedy]

Augustana

CARTHAGE (Despite it saying 2006-2007)

Elmhurst n/a

Illinois Wesleyan

Millikin

North Central

North Park

Wheaton

[AndOne]

It isn't an everyday event because there are rules restricting it. If there weren't rules, then D-II and D-III become the D-I farm system.

And a possibly even more likely scenario is that D-II would primarily be the D-I farm system causing D-II to dip into D-III in order to at least partially replace whatever number of players they might lose to D-I.