MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[AndOne]

CARTHAGE (Despite it saying 2006-2007)

I see the Carthage schedule shows games against powerhouse East-West on BOTH 11/28 AND 12/10. This MUST be a mistake. Certainly they can't be that anxious to schedule 2 sure losses!          

[Kenoshafinest]

CARTHAGE (Despite it saying 2006-2007)

I see the Carthage schedule shows games against powerhouse East-West on BOTH 11/28 AND 12/10. This MUST be a mistake. Certainly they can't be that anxious to schedule 2 sure losses!          

I hope there is a sarcasm in your words AndOne... EWU had one (1) win in the last season... 

[martin]

And to keep D1 from becoming a farm system for the NBA I think there should be some consequence for bringing in kids that have no intention of playing four years.

I think it is a bit late for this.  The NCAA should recognize that D1 hoops and football are farm systems - and proceed accordingly.  The players are not student/athletes - because they do not devote enough time to school or sports.  D1 athletes should be allowed to focus on their sport.  They could be paid a stipend as well as education vouchers - to be used after their eligibility is gone to go to school.  Maybe some part time education while participating in sport as well as some life skill training - basic literacy would be good.

Pro teams could sign players out of high school - and assign them to a college team to develop.  A player unsigned by a pro team out of high school could still play for a D1 school - and the school would get a transfer fee from his eventual pro team.

This would eliminate the hypocrisy.  It would also let an athlete really develop his athletic skills.  Right now, even D1 athletes don't spend enough time at their sport to really develop.  Why are there so many high draft busts?  Especially at quarterback.  Someone like Ryan Leaf would be exposed as having a five cent brain instead of being drafted #2.  Remeber the 1999 draft and all the QB's -
1.Cleveland: Tim Couch, QB, Kentucky
2. Philadelphia: Donovan McNabb, QB, Syracuse
3. Cincinnati: Akili Smith, QB, Oregon
11. Minnesota: Daunte Culpepper, QB, Central Florida
12. Chicago: Cade McNown, QB, UCLA

What a disaster.

I think the pressure for a change will come from the pros who will decide that a "free" farm system is too expensive.

[Gregory Sager]

I'd say that the kid from Mount Carmel who got drafted #2 that year has gone on to have himself a nice little career in the NFL.

[north central]

so has that kid from central florida.
Martin very interesting post I have never actually thought about that  but hopefully you know nothing like that would ever happen.

[The Roop]

You never know though. His life skill training/part time education while playing professionally idea was considered by the CBA at one time. I like his concept for the draft and actually had the same thought the other day. I don't agree that schools should pay players but I do think players should be able to have jobs. So long as they are not employed by the school I have no problem with it. That's something that should apply to all divisions, not just D1.

[Titan Q]

A Pantragraph article w/ status on IWU's injured players, Dan Schouten, Brian Nussbuam, Andrew Gilmore, and Sean Dwyer...

http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2007/08/26/sports/doc46d0f4f845f62818733833.txt

[The Roop]

January is a long time to miss. Unfortunately using a medical redshirt doesn't mean he'd stay around to play his 4th year so what do you do.

[Titan Q]

January is a long time to miss. Unfortunately using a medical redshirt doesn't mean he'd stay around to play his 4th year so what do you do.

Dan Schouten would have had a chance to earn a spot in IWU's varsity rotation, but realistically I figured he'd be a JV player in 2007-08.  As long as Dan gets healthy and is able to get on the floor in JV action in January and February, I don't think this injury will have a big impact on IWU or Schouten this year or in the longterm.

[dansand]

Augie wins games two and three of the China tour.

68-45 over Hubbi Province:
http://www.augustana.edu/athletics/mbasketball/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1187963312&archive=&start_from=&ucat=4&


...and  83-70 win over Zhejian Lions:
http://www.augustana.edu/athletics/mbasketball/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1188148216&archive=&start_from=&ucat=4&




Oliver Rorer and Alex Washington


Kyle Waller, Chandlor Collins, Matt Pelton


Seniors Dan Rukavina, Jordan Delp, Oliver Rorer, and Dain Swetalla

[AndOne]

January is a long time to miss. Unfortunately using a medical redshirt doesn't mean he'd stay around to play his 4th year so what do you do.

Dan Schouten would have had a chance to earn a spot in IWU's varsity rotation, but realistically I figured he'd be a JV player in 2007-08.  As long as Dan gets healthy and is able to get on the floor in JV action in January and February, I don't think this injury will have a big impact on IWU or Schouten this year or in the longterm.

Q-----

Where do you "realistically" sense the following players will play this season---Varsity or JV

1. O'Callaghan
2, Lawson
3. Sexauer

Thanks for your insight

[Titan Q]

January is a long time to miss. Unfortunately using a medical redshirt doesn't mean he'd stay around to play his 4th year so what do you do.

Dan Schouten would have had a chance to earn a spot in IWU's varsity rotation, but realistically I figured he'd be a JV player in 2007-08.  As long as Dan gets healthy and is able to get on the floor in JV action in January and February, I don't think this injury will have a big impact on IWU or Schouten this year or in the longterm.

Q-----

Where do you "realistically" sense the following players will play this season---Varsity or JV

1. O'Callaghan
2, Lawson
3. Sexauer

Thanks for your insight

My best guess at how things will shake up is that all 3 will play varsity and 2 will be starting by CCIW time.

[AndOne]

If thats true, based on what I saw last season and during the summer, my feeling is the 2 will be Lawson & Sexauer.

I think Lawson, Sexauer, and Schouten are very good players. I am not as high on O'Callaghan, but this certainly does not mean he won't be as good as the others or even the best of the bunch in the long run. This estimation is only based on my observation of all 4 last season and during the just concluded summer league. I could readily be just as wrong as right.

I am not going to comment on the other IWU recruits as I haven't seen them play.

IWU certainly had a great recruiting year---perhaps too good. And I'll be glad to explain that if anyone cares to ask.

Despite the general consensus that this class has a huge upside, I have heard various coaches and other observers be critical of all four of the above mentioned players. In fact, I know of at least one coach or other very knowledgeable observer  that feels each of the above 4 will never make more than a cursory contribution over the long run. Thats OK as there is almost always at least one person who is going to feel that a particular player won't improve in the future despite how many other observers/evaluators feel he will succeed. One thing is for sure, and thats that there are a lot more people who feel each player will thrive than there are who feel they won't live up to their potential. However, based on their records to date, that potential certainly is there. We'll just have to wait and see how things ultimately shake out. 

[Mr. Ypsi]

Q (or anyone with info),

In the article Rose said Dwyer was "questionable for the start of practice", which would suggest that Rosenkranz will probably at least initially be the starting pg (which may have been the situation anyway, but competition is always a plus!).  Any insghts on Sean's readiness for the season itself?  If (God forbid!) anything were to happen to Travis, are we in for a pg season like last year?

On a different matter, the front page has a nice write-up on Augie's China trip.  They say that the Vikes are succeeding on defense (all three opponents have shot less than 40% from the field).  I know nothing about the opponents (and do not mean this as a shot at Augie!), but I can't help wondering: is the Augie defense really impressive, or are the opponents just lousy shooters?  Anyone have any insight?

[Titan Q]

Despite the general consensus that this class has a huge upside, I have heard various coaches and other observers be critical of all four of the above mentioned players. In fact, I know of at least one coach or other very knowledgeable observer  that feels each of the above 4 will never make more than a cursory contribution over the long run.

A lot of really good D3, and other small college, coaches would have to be dead wrong if that's the case (based on who recruited these four and how hard they pursued). 

I have seen all of IWU's incoming freshman play and if I had to rank them in terms of their longterm potential, I'd have Travis Rosenkranz as the #1 -- I think his upside is enormous.  #2 would be tough to sort out at this point, but I might go with guard Sean Johnson.  IWU is going to have a fantastic backcourt someday soon with these two and I don't think there is anything better to build around than a great backcourt.

Personnally I am very high on Doug Sexauer -- I think he is going to be a really good CCIW big man.  I am also real high on Duncan Lawson.  I have not seen O'Callaghan play enough to have a great feel for his game or potential.