MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[north central]

A real pleasure to watch the guys I've read about here from Auggie come down and play in St. Louis.  Collins, Swetella, Delp, and Wessels all played very well, as did Alex Washington off the bench. Coach G's activity from the bench was as advertised, and very entertaining.

I'm hoping the Auggie fan who screamed at the officials at the top of his voice every time down the floor is not a poster here.  While the rest of the Auggie crowd supported the kids and were great fans, and had little to say about the officiating, one idiot wrecked the game for all around him with vociforous condemnation of EVERY call that didn't go Auggie's way (Saturday and Sunday)- Well, my Irish temper got the better of me and I let him have it - it worked, didn't hear a peep in Sunday's 2nd half.  Anyways, if anyone from Auggie witnessed it and thought I was out of line, I apologize.

hoopfan that really took some stones to say something to an obnoxious fan. But please dont make a habit of that because the next time you never know what the results could be.

And millikin is off to a 2-0 start. Lets hope that continues. Go Big Blue

[AndOne]

hey Q, AO, GS....and anybody else who wants to help me with this issue.
I have always held that getting fouled in the act of shooting is statisticly viewed as a field goal attempt whether missed or made....am I correct?

Coebball----

I had always thought that being fouled in the act of shooting and being fouled in the process was NOT a shot attempt. However, poster almcguirejr's research goes about as far as possible in providing definitive confirmation of that fact.

Nice work al............ +1 to you!

[realist]

FWIW:  Based on what Mr. Wallis said in his blog. which Pat posted, I believe him to be a class young man, and I hate to see anyone go out with an injury of this nature.
On another issue.  Just curious how the CCIW posters are feeling the up coming  CCIW/MIAA match at Calvin this week is going to go?  Hope is 1-1, and Calvin 3-1.  Both lost to an inspired NAIA (2) Aquinas (6-0) team (in OT) , and beat an under manned Cornerstone U. team this past weekend.   Calvin did a very nice job in beating Wash U. the 17th, but seemed to struggle this last weekend.    Is it correct to assume that we will see typical Wheaton, and Carthage teams?   By that I mean be ready to play the full 40 minutes? 
If any posters are planning to attend the games be advised that Calvin's campus around the existing fieldhouse is really torn up due to construction of the new fieldhouse.  Also seating is down from 4500 to 2500 due to safety concerns (blocked fire exits etc).  If you plan to attend you might want to arrive early (like for the first game), and check with the folks in the MIAA room as to directions.

[Titan Q]

Wash U's Sean Wallis missed yesterday's game against Augie due to a knee injury that may keep him out the rest of the year. Wash U is not a Top 20 team without him, so the Augie win while gratifying is not particularly surprising. In fact Wash U lost a week ago to Calvin College and is now 2-2.

I saw Wash U play 7 times last year so I'm pretty familiar with this nucleus of Bears.  With All-American-caliber players at the point (Sean Wallis), wing (Tyler Nading), and low post (Troy Ruths), I've compared them here a few times to what IWU had in Adam Dauksas, Keelan Amelianovich, and Zach Freeman.  Wallis is the guy who made Wash U tick, just as Dauksas was with IWU.  Nading and Ruths score more points and grab more rebounds (ala Freeman and Amelianovich), but I always felt Sean Wallis was team's MVP.

That said, the Bears are still loaded with talent, even without Wallis.  6-7 senior Ruths is a legit 1st Team All-American candidate and 6-6 junior Tyler Nading is knocking on that All-American door as well.  The Bears also have shooting guards Danny O'Boyle (back from the achilles injury suffered vs Augie last year) and Aaron Thompson, who are both really good.

It looks like Wash U has replaced Wallis in the starting lineup with O'Boyle.  I'm not sure if Thompson is bringing the ball up the floor or O'Boyle, but clearly neither is a true point-guard.  I think we've all seen situations with our teams where a kid suited to be a 2-guard has to play point, and that is usually not real pretty.  Add Augustana's defense on top of that new lineup right off the bat, and you've got the 4 assist/12 turnover performance by Thompson and O'Boyle Saturday.

Despite the injury to Sean Wallis, Augie's win over the Bears still looks very good to me. I still think Wash U can be a Top 15 team with all of that other talent if they can piece things together at the point (that may be easier said than done).  That being the case, it certainly wasn't the same Wash U team that played in Salem last year though and that's a shame...that would have been a heck of a game.

I still look for Wash U to be right in the middle of the UAA title picture and for that Augie win to look real good come Selection Sunday.

[Titan Q]

FWIW:  Based on what Mr. Wallis said in his blog. which Pat posted, I believe him to be a class young man, and I hate to see anyone go out with an injury of this nature.
On another issue.  Just curious how the CCIW posters are feeling the up coming  CCIW/MIAA match at Calvin this week is going to go?  Hope is 1-1, and Calvin 3-1.  Both lost to an inspired NAIA (2) Aquinas (6-0) team (in OT) , and beat an under manned Cornerstone U. team this past weekend.   Calvin did a very nice job in beating Wash U. the 17th, but seemed to struggle this last weekend.    Is it correct to assume that we will see typical Wheaton, and Carthage teams?   By that I mean be ready to play the full 40 minutes? 
If any posters are planning to attend the games be advised that Calvin's campus around the existing fieldhouse is really torn up due to construction of the new fieldhouse.  Also seating is down from 4500 to 2500 due to safety concerns (blocked fire exits etc).  If you plan to attend you might want to arrive early (like for the first game), and check with the folks in the MIAA room as to directions.

I think Hope and Calvin will both be favorites over Carthage.  I see Wheaton splitting.

I'm thinking the "early line" is for the CCIW to go 1-3 in this year's tournament.

The best player on the floor will be in a Wheaton uni.

[cardinalpride]

hey Q, AO, GS....and anybody else who wants to help me with this issue.
I have always held that getting fouled in the act of shooting is statisticly viewed as a field goal attempt whether missed or made....am I correct?

It is not considered a FGA if the shot is missed.  That is from the 2007 NCAA Basketball Statisticians  manual.  Check the Shooting Accuracy paragraph.

http://www.csu.edu/Athletics/womensport/basketball/documents/2007_basketball_stats_manual.pdf

Nice work Al MC!!

[Gregory Sager]

He's a 2 guard until the game is on the line---Then he takes over---As well he should

No, Raymond's pretty much the point guard all the time. He's the one who usually brings the ball up the floor, he's the one to whom the Wheaton coaches do their communicating, and he's the player who has the ball in his hands more than anyone else on that team.

I'll leave the determination of whether or not Wash U is still as good w/o him, or if they're even still a top 20 team, to those who see them play, but its hard to project a team wouldn't suffer a pretty serious drop in its overall effectiveness after losing a player of Wallis' caliber.

I'm with Bob on this one. I think it's premature to count Wash U out of the top 20 because of the loss of Wallis. I don't think that the Bears will be nearly as good as they were -- i.e., neck-and-neck with Amherst for what looked to be the best team in the country -- but they'll still be very difficult to beat, especially in St. Louis, and I would look for them to finish somewhere in the top half of the UAA. Rochester or Brandeis (depending upon Deluca's health status) might move a little ahead of the Bears now, but the Bears are still very much in the ballpark with those two teams.

A real pleasure to watch the guys I've read about here from Auggie come down and play in St. Louis.  Collins, Swetella, Delp, and Wessels all played very well, as did Alex Washington off the bench. Coach G's activity from the bench was as advertised, and very entertaining.

I'm hoping the Auggie fan who screamed at the officials at the top of his voice every time down the floor is not a poster here.  While the rest of the Auggie crowd supported the kids and were great fans, and had little to say about the officiating, one idiot wrecked the game for all around him with vociforous condemnation of EVERY call that didn't go Auggie's way (Saturday and Sunday)- Well, my Irish temper got the better of me and I let him have it - it worked, didn't hear a peep in Sunday's 2nd half.  Anyways, if anyone from Auggie witnessed it and thought I was out of line, I apologize.

Thanks for your updates from St. Louis, Hopefan, and for giving us the early scoop on Wallis. However, you should note for future reference that Augustana is "Augie" with one 'g' and Augsburg is "Auggie" with two 'g's.

FWIW:  Based on what Mr. Wallis said in his blog. which Pat posted, I believe him to be a class young man, and I hate to see anyone go out with an injury of this nature.
On another issue.  Just curious how the CCIW posters are feeling the up coming  CCIW/MIAA match at Calvin this week is going to go?  Hope is 1-1, and Calvin 3-1.  Both lost to an inspired NAIA (2) Aquinas (6-0) team (in OT) , and beat an under manned Cornerstone U. team this past weekend.   Calvin did a very nice job in beating Wash U. the 17th, but seemed to struggle this last weekend.    Is it correct to assume that we will see typical Wheaton, and Carthage teams?   By that I mean be ready to play the full 40 minutes? 
If any posters are planning to attend the games be advised that Calvin's campus around the existing fieldhouse is really torn up due to construction of the new fieldhouse.  Also seating is down from 4500 to 2500 due to safety concerns (blocked fire exits etc).  If you plan to attend you might want to arrive early (like for the first game), and check with the folks in the MIAA room as to directions.

I think Hope and Calvin will both be favorites over Carthage.  I see Wheaton splitting.

I'm thinking the "early line" is for the CCIW to go 1-3 in this year's tournament.

The best player on the floor will be in a Wheaton uni.

Given the way this series has gone, with each conference dominating in its home state, and what I've seen of the various teams (I've only seen Wheaton thus far this season, but I saw all four teams play numerous times last season), I'd say that 1-3 sounds about right for the CCIW next weekend. However, I wouldn't put it past Carthage to slip in an upset, particularly against Hope; the Dutch lack the dominant big man that is likely to give Bosko's boys fits all season. And the Calvin folks are in for an unpleasant surprise if they expect Mantel to run roughshod around the basket at both ends of the floor with no resistance from Wheaton; Andy Wiele is a bigger and better player than the one they remember from last year.

[Gregory Sager]

New poll is out. Augustana moves up from #5 to #4, garnering one first-place vote in the process. Elmhurst moves up from #18 to #13, and Wheaton cracks the top 25 as well with a #22 appearance. Carthage is the second-highest team in the Others Receiving Votes category, ten points behind Trinity (CT) and 16 points behind #25 Lewis & Clark.

The CCIW and the UAA are the only two leagues that have three teams placed in the current Top 25. The two leagues are also tied for the most teams receiving votes, at four apiece.

The two traditional MIAA powerhouses with whom Carthage and Wheaton will square off next weekend came in at #15 (Calvin) and #16 (Hope).

[gottaluvhoops]

How good is Augustana?

[realist]

Thanks TQ, and GS:  You both said just about what I expected.  The MIAA would really like to see a sweep, but have to agree that both Carthage and definitely Wheaton have the players to make either Hope or Calvin sorry if they don't come with their A games.   GS:  John Mantel has bulked up a bit more this year, but you are probably right in that he won't dominate inside.   I sure would like to see this series continue.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

If I recall correctly, it was announced last year (during the games at Carthage) that all four teams had signed on for another 4 years. 

[ChicagoHopeNut]

If I recall correctly, it was announced last year (during the games at Carthage) that all four teams had signed on for another 4 years. 

No offense to Carthage and Wheaton as the games have been entertaining the last three years but I'd enjoy seeing a new line-up. I am sure Wheaton, Carthage and Calvin fans might also enjoy the opportunity to match up against someone different in the future, whoever that may be.

But I do appreciate the opportunity to play quality opponents each year so this is way better than the alternative.

[Mr_Downtown]

You can listen to the Elmhurst vs UW-Oshkosh game tomorrow night here:http://www.uwosh.edu/wrst/index.php

Pregame show starts at 6pm, tip-off at 7pm.

For $8, you can watch the game live here: http://secure.stretchinternet.com/demo/games.php?user=uwosh&o=cal_stamp.

Coverage starts at 6:55pm.

[79jaybird]

The Elmhurst/Oshkosh game will also be broadcast on the Elmhurst station WRSE 88.7 FM  or http://www.wrse.com 
I can't get off work to go up and do the game (rats!), otherwise I would be doing it.

[iwumichigander]

I'd agree with Q and Sager on a 1-3 split in the upcoming CCIW/MIAA matchups.  If Carthage has a chance to take one it would likely be against Hope not Calvin.  Wheaton could win two but more than likely split. 

However, the play and scoring of Wheaton's Kent Raymond vs. Calvin's Caleb Veldhouse should be really something to watch as both can really fill the hoop.  Expect high scores for both teams in that game.