MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[robberki]

I listened to a lot of the game on the webcast and was a little mystified by the quick 3's. The glarring weakness of Stephano ( I may have spelled that wrong) not being at the 5 spot is rearing it's head as well. We'll see if the Vikings can recover on Wednesday, although I am getting my wisdom teeth out tomorrow and may not be in attendance.

[Gregory Sager]

We will miss your wisdom in the stands, Roberto, but I guess that we'll just have to make do with a less wise Rob Berki from now on.

[cardinalpride]

2007-08 CCIW Men's Basketball Players of the Week:
Brett Chamernik - Illinois Wesleyan (12/3/07)
Brent Ruch - Elmhurst (11/26/07)
Steve Djurickovic - Carthage (11/19/07)[/i]

Congrats to Brett, Brent, and Steve for their POW selections!

[cardinalfanrochelle]

How does a player get to be named POW? who mades that happen? Different conferences have different ways of naming the player of the week, stats and the strength of the other team play into it, does a conference team pull more weight than non-conference?

[David Collinge]

Two things jump out at me from this game. [...] The second is the low number of free throws attempted by NPU. [...] The fact that the Vikings shot so few free throws tells me that the team settled for jumpshots rather than attacking the basket;

It doesn't suggest to you that there's a Vast Refereeing Conspiracy against NPU?  By golly, one team had more chances at free throws than the other; what better evidence do you need that the refs were biased and engaging in serious "home cooking?" 

[coebball70]

I attended the Loras vs North Park game and the outcome was the result of Loras playing better 'team' basketball at both ends of the court.  Loras' help defense really was the key to the win in the second half by not allowing the Vikings to slash to the basket.  The other difference maker was Loras only made two turnovers after intermission.  The Vikings have the horses to pull some upsets this year!  As GS suggested, less one-on-one and more team-oriented ball movement will make a world of difference with this club.

[Gregory Sager]

Two things jump out at me from this game. [...] The second is the low number of free throws attempted by NPU. [...] The fact that the Vikings shot so few free throws tells me that the team settled for jumpshots rather than attacking the basket;

It doesn't suggest to you that there's a Vast Refereeing Conspiracy against NPU?  By golly, one team had more chances at free throws than the other; what better evidence do you need that the refs were biased and engaging in serious "home cooking?" 

David, the fact that you and I range freely across Posting Up means that any allusions we make to discussions in other rooms will only confuse the many CCIW Chat regulars and lurkers who are stay-at-homes as far as Posting Up rooms are concerned. Of course, there's always the chance that confusion is your intent in this instance.

I attended the Loras vs North Park game and the outcome was the result of Loras playing better 'team' basketball at both ends of the court.  Loras' help defense really was the key to the win in the second half by not allowing the Vikings to slash to the basket.  The other difference maker was Loras only made two turnovers after intermission.  The Vikings have the horses to pull some upsets this year!  As GS suggested, less one-on-one and more team-oriented ball movement will make a world of difference with this club.

NPU is interested in doing a lot more than merely "pull[ing] some upsets" this season, so it would behoove the Vikings to get on the stick in terms of improving their shot selection and working the ball into the low post.

[David Collinge]

Two things jump out at me from this game. [...] The second is the low number of free throws attempted by NPU. [...] The fact that the Vikings shot so few free throws tells me that the team settled for jumpshots rather than attacking the basket;

It doesn't suggest to you that there's a Vast Refereeing Conspiracy against NPU?  By golly, one team had more chances at free throws than the other; what better evidence do you need that the refs were biased and engaging in serious "home cooking?" 

David, the fact that you and I range freely across Posting Up means that any allusions we make to discussions in other rooms will only confuse the many CCIW Chat regulars and lurkers who are stay-at-homes as far as Posting Up rooms are concerned. Of course, there's always the chance that confusion is your intent in this instance.

It's not as if nobody in CCIW Chat has ever complained about biased reffing based solely on foul discrepancy.  It's happened as recently as last week, in fact.  Although the UAA posters have turned it into an art form, it's a syndrome that manifests all over, including in here.

[Gregory Sager]

True, but I thought you were trying to be current regarding the still-raging Vast Wash U Refereeing Conspiracy and its attendant alleged coverup.

(Isn't it odd how a game that was played last season is the subject of an ongoing debate in the UAA room, while a similar conversation regarding a game that was played just last week is buried and half-forgotten eleven pages back in this room?)

[David Collinge]

True, but I thought you were trying to be current regarding the still-raging Vast Wash U Refereeing Conspiracy and its attendant alleged coverup.

I was, although my chief aim was to be funny (or at least sarcastic), and I figured that CCIW Chat regulars were those most likely to sympathize with my sense of humor.

(Isn't it odd how a game that was played last season is the subject of an ongoing debate in the UAA room, while a similar conversation regarding a game that was played just last week is buried and half-forgotten eleven pages back in this room?)

It's ridiculous--and irritating--that the outrage over that WUSTL/NYU game is still being vented.  I really wasn't trying to compare it to Elmhurst/Oshkosh or any other game in any other conference.  Your OP just gave me an opportunity to make a joke about it.

[Titan Q]

Here is a list of the top 10 CCIW scorers here in the early going among the low post players...

1 Matt Rogers (Jr), NCC (26 min/g) - 22.8 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 40-64 FG (.625)
2 Brent Ruch (Jr), Elmhurst (28 min/g) - 21.8 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 37-46 FG (.804)
3 Chris Drennan (Jr), NCC (30 min/g) - 18.8 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 40-64 FG (.625)
4 Andy Wiele (Jr), Wheaton (27 min/g) - 16.8 ppg, 9.3 rpg, 42-63 FG (.667)
5 Darius Gant (Sr), IWU (29 min/g) - 14.4 ppg, 8.2 rpg, 25-43 FG (.481)
6 Brett Chamernik (Jr), IWU (20 min/g) - 13.6 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 23-31 FG (.742)
7 Jeremy Williams (Jr), NCC (22 min/g) - 10.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 18-30 FG (.600)
8 Dain Swetalla (Sr), Augustana (26 min/g) - 9.6 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 19-50 FG (.380)
9 Doug Sexauer (Fr), IWU (19 min/g) - 9.4 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 20-38 FG (.526)
10 Robert Strzemp (Jr), Elmhurst (23 min/g) - 9.3 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 9-15 FG (.600)

(Is North Park's Jay Alexander playing the low post?  From listening to the game last night, it sounded like he was playing more of the small forward?)

Jay Alexander (Sr), North Park (21 min/g) - 11.0 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 21-37 FG (.568)


Seems like Dain Swetalla is off to a slow start.  He's too big and has too much talent to be so far down that list.

Am I missing anyone?

[hopefan]

Swetalla definitely was not seeing the ball enough when Augie was down here in St Louis-  A great deal of perimeter shooting from the guards.....

[augiefan]

Dain Swetalla probably should get more touches, but his problems are deeper than that. His season to date FG% is only 38 %, which is awful for a preseason All Conference candidate. He also leads the team in TOs.

No doubt some of his difficulties stem from the considerable fall of in talent at PG this year. As many perseptive observers on this board have pointed out Drew Wessels contributions to last year's Augie team went far beyond bare statistics. Matt Pelton simply does not yet possess the PG and leadership skills of DW.

Augie's success depends on Dain playing to expectations and Pelton  developing his PG skills by the time the CCIW conference season rolls around.

The positive for Augie has been the play of Wessels, Washington and Collins, who have been better than expected. If Dain has one quality game, he may get his confidence back and turn things around in short order.

All in all a lot of uncertainty and inconsistency  throughout the CCIW early in the season.

[augiefan]

If NPU is underachieving because of selfish and individualistic play perhaps the fault lies with the head coach more than the players.

[Fox 40]

Dain Swetalla probably should get more touches, but his problems are deeper than that. His season to date FG% is only 38 %, which is awful for a preseason All Conference candidate. He also leads the team in TOs.

No doubt some of his difficulties stem from the considerable fall of in talent at PG this year. As many perseptive observers on this board have pointed out Drew Wessels contributions to last year's Augie team went far beyond bare statistics. Matt Pelton simply does not yet possess the PG and leadership skills of DW.

Augie's success depends on Dain playing to expectations and Pelton  developing his PG skills by the time the CCIW conference season rolls around.

The positive for Augie has been the play of Wessels, Washington and Collins, who have been better than expected. If Dain has one quality game, he may get his confidence back and turn things around in short order.

All in all a lot of uncertainty and inconsistency  throughout the CCIW early in the season.

Dain has gotten plenty of touches, he has struggled to finish in the first 5 games this year.  He'll be fine... meanwhile, sophomore point guard Matt Pelton leads the team in assists and had a 2 1/2 game "no turnover" streak already this year!