MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[devildog29]

I have, however, seen him express his displeasure at some of his players in a most forceful - ex-marine drill sargeant type way - during games.  Blood roils - tempis fugit - semper fidelis.

DoS

Being the anal retentive Marine I am (you have to take the bad with the good), I had to correct and educate here.  First, always remember there are no "ex-Marines."  Once a Marine, always a Marine.  We prefer "former" or prior" but not "ex."  Also, the Marine Corps has Drill Instructors.  Drill Sergeants are found in the US Army.

Ok, I'm gonna go watch Full Metal Jacket again now, maybe sharpen my K-Bar and do some push-ups and other tough guy stuff. 

[Mugsy]

Honest question, are there any Wheaties on the board that would care to share their thoughts on the situation regarding our Crazies?  I'm certainly not saying that the ejection of NP fans affected the outcome of the contest, but it really was pretty disgusting to kick college student out into the cold for not really doing anything wrong.  The only thing I could think was that the Host team was just embarrassed about being out-fanned in their home arena.

So the ejected students did absolutely nothing inappropriate?

Whats "inappropriate" at Wheaton may just be considered good clean fun at most other colleges/universities. After all, the NPU students, per Greg's post, were dancing!!  .  See my earlier post above covering Wheaton's philosophy covering this activity.

BTW... dancing is now allowed at Wheaton, so the whole dancing is inappropriate slant doesn't jive.

While wheaton recently changed its "code of conduct" for those weak willed, happy feet hip hoppers, I believe it only applies to off campus activity. Dancing is still on the no-no list for on campus if I am not mistaken.  8)

Yup... I'm just tired of hearing the "you can't dance" garbage, since it is so absolutely trival.  As if it is in the top 1000 of what traits identify who I am...  I wouldn't have danced even if I were allowed too.

It's much less a comment about individuals, rather  the institution

True... but even as it applies to an institution I think it is trivial. 

I'm done interrupting the bball discussion here with my blathering remarks.

Care on...

[bbfan44]

I believe the statement that Harris called his player "stupid" is in error.
What I recall hearing is Harris yelling for the player to "get over here".  And then he said something like..you have one job in this stupid game, or you have one stupid job in this game...I forget which....and you can't get it done. 

There happened to be a moment of quietness in the gym, so that magnified the yelling and really called attention to it.

Chris Brown, I think, had just blown past the player to the hoop.  Brown seemed to do that to everyone every time he was in the game, so I don't know why it took Harris by surprise.

What coach hasn't yelled at a player when an assignment is missed though?

Another incident involving Harris was when one of the ref's....and I'm surprised no one has said anything about this....very animatedly, with full body gestures and hand gestures....explained a call that Harris had questioned.  The ref really was showing up Harris, I think, but make himself look silly.  I thought it was classless.

[tjcummingsfan]

I believe the statement that Harris called his player "stupid" is in error.
What I recall hearing is Harris yelling for the player to "get over here".  And then he said something like..you have one job in this stupid game, or you have one stupid job in this game...I forget which....and you can't get it done. 

There happened to be a moment of quietness in the gym, so that magnified the yelling and really called attention to it.

Chris Brown, I think, had just blown past the player to the hoop.  Brown seemed to do that to everyone every time he was in the game, so I don't know why it took Harris by surprise.

What coach hasn't yelled at a player when an assignment is missed though?

Another incident involving Harris was when one of the ref's....and I'm surprised no one has said anything about this....very animatedly, with full body gestures and hand gestures....explained a call that Harris had questioned.  The ref really was showing up Harris, I think, but make himself look silly.  I thought it was classless.

I was behind the bench, and hear what Harris said loud and clear.  Scream wasn't wrong. 

As far as the ref situation, I took it the opposite, the ref was reacting to Harris trying to show him up.

[bbfan44]

tjc/fan
I'd guess we tend to see and hear things as we'd like them to be...sometimes, eh? 

[andrewmp]

Seeing as there are few Wheaton posters, and none apparently at the game Saturday, I'll step in to comment about the situation discussed.
I will say that the removal was unnecessary, but not without reason.
The rule that I am sure the crazies were in violation of was their presence on the baseline during the half.  This is different  from the corners, and specifically is enforced in front of the section right under the basket during the game (halftime and pre/post it is not).  I have been asked on several occasions to walk up and around that section if I wanted to get over to the other side of the gym during a game.  It has been strictly enforced in the past, and my experience has only been on the Wheaton side.  I do not know about this game, as I was in the middle section on the south side of the gym.
It appeared to me that C-Train was trying to enforce this rule, and came into a confrontation with one or two of the North Park fans in particular.  As my eyes were not glued to what was going on, I did not see all of it, but someone I went to the game said that one of the fans that got kicked out was making "suck it" signs at C-Train.  As it was, C-Train seemed to not want to put up with it anymore, and so he went and got what appeared to me to be Public Safety, not the Wheaton Police.  There may have been some Wheaton Police there, but I definitely recognized some public safety officers, who were probably glad to stop writing parking tickets, come in out of the cold, and harass some other students, be it Wheaton or North Park.
As far as a double standard, it doesn't quite apply.  Wheaton fans were not occupying that space on the baseline under the basket: that is the place for the Wheaton cheerleaders.  I guess we got to put them somewhere.
One other possible reason for the removal of the fans was some history on that section of North Parkers.  In the game these two schools played back in 2001, Jeremiah Trusty, was fouled going to the basket and stumbled to the area right in front of the fans.  One fan (and I know this is not representative of the whole group) stood up and pushed Jeremiah back onto the floor in a very unsportsmanlike move.  If C-train was around for that game, he might of had that in mind, as I still remember it myself. 

For many of you North Parkers, I am a little bit familiar with school beyond my Wheaton experience.  I grew up in the Covenant Church out east, and my parents are still members.  My older brother even went to North Park for a little bit.  And yes, he applied to Wheaton and was rejected

I would make more post on Wheaton's games, but i won't be able to make several of them due to a Wednesday night grad class

[wheatonfanaddict]

The NCAA, The CCIW and Wheaton College promote good sportsmanship by student-athletes, coaches and spectators. We request your cooperation by supporting the participants and officials in a positive manner. Profanity, racial or sexist comments or other intimidating actions directed at officials, student-athletes, coaches or team representatives – as well as public intoxication, the consumption or possession of alcoholic beverages and tobacco products are grounds for removal from the site of competition and other disciplinary actions.

[Pat Coleman]

This sort of wording shouldn't be unfamiliar to fans -- it's standard boilerplate that's been in use for more than a decade with only minor tweaks.

[tjcummingsfan]

The NCAA, The CCIW and Wheaton College promote good sportsmanship by student-athletes, coaches and spectators. We request your cooperation by supporting the participants and officials in a positive manner. Profanity, racial or sexist comments or other intimidating actions directed at officials, student-athletes, coaches or team representatives – as well as public intoxication, the consumption or possession of alcoholic beverages and tobacco products are grounds for removal from the site of competition and other disciplinary actions.

Nothing highlighted was broken by those kicked out.

[tjcummingsfan]

Seeing as there are few Wheaton posters, and none apparently at the game Saturday, I'll step in to comment about the situation discussed.
I will say that the removal was unnecessary, but not without reason.
The rule that I am sure the crazies were in violation of was their presence on the baseline during the half.  This is different  from the corners, and specifically is enforced in front of the section right under the basket during the game (halftime and pre/post it is not).  I have been asked on several occasions to walk up and around that section if I wanted to get over to the other side of the gym during a game.  It has been strictly enforced in the past, and my experience has only been on the Wheaton side.  I do not know about this game, as I was in the middle section on the south side of the gym.
It appeared to me that C-Train was trying to enforce this rule, and came into a confrontation with one or two of the North Park fans in particular.  As my eyes were not glued to what was going on, I did not see all of it, but someone I went to the game said that one of the fans that got kicked out was making "suck it" signs at C-Train.  As it was, C-Train seemed to not want to put up with it anymore, and so he went and got what appeared to me to be Public Safety, not the Wheaton Police.  There may have been some Wheaton Police there, but I definitely recognized some public safety officers, who were probably glad to stop writing parking tickets, come in out of the cold, and harass some other students, be it Wheaton or North Park.
As far as a double standard, it doesn't quite apply.  Wheaton fans were not occupying that space on the baseline under the basket: that is the place for the Wheaton cheerleaders.  I guess we got to put them somewhere.

tjc/fan
I'd guess we tend to see and hear things as we'd like them to be...sometimes, eh? 

[Scream]

Was I the only one in King Arena that heard the wheatie coach rip #21 a new butt hole? The biggest beef I had (sitting front row, I heard it loud and clear) with his screaming, shrieking approach was that he never actually told the poor kid what he did wrong. He just repeated at least a half dozen times how stupid the kid was.  That's pretty classless.

Just for the sake of clarity and my withering internet reputation, I wanted to quote myself and prove that nowhere did I say Coach Harris is classless.  I'm the first to admit that I may be the least informed poster on this site so I won't go around calling proven coaches names.  I do however completely disagree with his method of coaching in that particular situation.  I find it pretty repulsive.  I was probably sitting within 8-10 feet of the interaction and I'm confident in what I heard.  He very well may be a fantastic coach with an impeccable reputation (and who am I to tarnish that?) but I simply wanted to point out that I wasn't cool with that situation.  That's all.  Go ahead and continue smiting me for providing an opinion on a message board. 

[Pat Coleman]

Well, guess that's a good example of why it's important to be precise with your use of the language. You used the word classless in your post and if you meant for it to be termed as "a classless act" then you should have specified that originally.

[Scream]

Well, guess that's a good example of why it's important to be precise with your use of the language. You used the word classless in your post and if you meant for it to be termed as "a classless act" then you should have specified that originally.

When I said, "That's pretty classless" at the end of my remark, what do you think the word, "that" is referring to?  If I meant to call Coach Harris classless, I probably would have used another word, like... I dunno... maybe... "He" as in, "He's pretty classless."

Seems pretty clear.

[Pat Coleman]

The reactions would suggest otherwise.

[Scream]

The reactions would suggest otherwise.

This is true.