MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Mr. Ypsi]

Sac, you missed the most exciting of all - the year Wheaton defeated Grinnell and scored over 130 points.  Sadly, they were smoked by Wash U in the second round.  Must have been all that running around.

Jim, you guys have to learn to 'pace' yourselves against the system!  In 2001, IWU scored their all-time record 132 points against Grinnell in round 1, but still made the Final Four.

[Fox 40]

Q, I don't know if IWU recruited Pelton or not.  My point was they landed what will turn out to be a 3 year starter in IWU territory.  I also disagree with your earlier post on Augie having O'Callaghan, Schouten, and Stamas as "High priority recruits", Sexauer yes.  How do you know the priorities of other schools recruiting classes?

First, you need to figure out how to work the quoting thing. 

Second, when did I say Schouten and Stamas were "high priority recruits" for Augustana?  I said, "The Titans landed two kids Augie wanted bad (Doug Sexauer and Edmond O'Callaghan) and at least another two they were on (Dan Schouten and Chris Stamas)..."  I stand behind what I said about O'Callaghan.

Titan Q,
Sorry for the quoting error.   The problem is the toxic green gas that leaks from your IWU propaganda machine clouds my ability to operate my computer correctly when quoting.  The toxins are then inhaled by the likes of "Augiefan" who then thinks everything you say about Augustana/IWU recruiting is true and begs for mercy.  I suggested that he remedy his problem by cleansing his system of the toxins and "Go Green" from now on.

[Titan Q]

Sac, you missed the most exciting of all - the year Wheaton defeated Grinnell and scored over 130 points.  Sadly, they were smoked by Wash U in the second round.  Must have been all that running around.

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Wheaton point-guard (and my favorite non-IWU CCIW player ever) Matt Nadlehoffer get injured towards the end of that Grinnell game, putting him in street clothes for the Wash U game in Round 2?

That was 1996.  After beating Westminster and Hanover, IWU (an at-large selection) went to the Midwest/South sectional at Roanoke College.  In one of the most amazing IWU performances ever, the Titans led ODAC champion 72-23 at halftime.  Up 49 on Roanoke's floor.  Dennie Bridges started IWU's JV team in the 2nd half...the final ended up 116 to 88.  IWU then faced that same Wash U team in the Sectional final that the short-handed Wheaton team lost to.

Those 1995 and 1996 season games between IWU and Wheaton were some of the most memorable CCIW games of my years around the league.  I remember having to get to Memorial Gym at Wheaton before the JV game to get a seat.  Those Titan and Crusader teams could play.

[AndOne]

Despite having my credentials as an Augie fan regularly impugned by the "Fox," I think my devotion to Augie sports is pretty well established. To be going head to head for recruits with IWU, historically the best team in CCIW history, is a compliment, but over the years IWU has won a majority of the recruiting battles. Last year the consensus of nearly every one familiar with the CCIW basketball was that IWU had the best frosh class, and they demonstrated that on the court by exceeding expectations.

So why is Augie so successful? Coach G has lost out on some top frosh players in recruiting, but he has done very well with transfers. A lot of Augie's success the last 3 years was a result of convincing the Swetalla brothers to transfer to Augie, and where would Augie have been without Iowa transfer Brett wessels this year. I also thing DI transfer Keaton Frye could be a factor next year, if he is injury free. So it's not all about freshmen recruits.

Augie's success is also in no small part a result of Coach G being a terrific coach, who maximizes his talent despite not getting every targeted recruit. There is certainly no team in the conference that utilizes as many as 10 to 12 players in every game to achieve success. Depth and relentless defense are Augie's strengths year in year out.

I expect Augie to be a favorite again next year for a CCIW title and a NCAA berth. Snatching a few of IWU's recruits will help assure that success continues.

Augiefan--

Your devotion to AC is duly noted.
As a devoted fan, do you think it was really a tough proposition to convince the Swetallas to transfer in given their dad is an Augie assistant coach? Also, how hard of a sales pitch did Coach G have to hit Wessels with given his previous family connection to the AC campus?
Its certainly true its not always all about freshmen recruits, but I doubt much effort had to be expended in order to convince the aforementioned players to transfer in. 

[Mugsy]

Sac, you missed the most exciting of all - the year Wheaton defeated Grinnell and scored over 130 points.  Sadly, they were smoked by Wash U in the second round.  Must have been all that running around.

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Wheaton point-guard (and my favorite non-IWU CCIW player ever) Matt Nadlehoffer get injured towards the end of that Grinnell game, putting him in street clothes for the Wash U game in Round 2?

That was 1996.  After beating Westminster and Hanover, IWU (an at-large selection) went to the Midwest/South sectional at Roanoke College.  In one of the most amazing IWU performances ever, the Titans led ODAC champion 72-23 at halftime.  Up 49 on Roanoke's floor.  Dennie Bridges started IWU's JV team in the 2nd half...the final ended up 116 to 88.  IWU then faced that same Wash U team in the Sectional final that the short-handed Wheaton team lost to.

Those 1995 and 1996 season games between IWU and Wheaton were some of the most memorable CCIW games of my years around the league.  I remember having to get to Memorial Gym at Wheaton before the JV game to get a seat.  Those Titan and Crusader teams could play.

I believe you are correct about the Nadlehoffer injury during the Grinnell game.  I agree 100% about the monumental battles between IWU and Wheaton during those years.  Unfortunate (from a Wheaton perspective) that we don't have as found memories of the post season during those years as IWU.

[Gregory Sager]

Mugsy, very nice post - +k!  Next up is Whitworth - the Thunder should actually be favored (uh, oh! ); if they survive, they face either Hope or OWU - both known to be beatable by CCIW teams.  I think they genuinely have a shot at Salem!

Which this Titan would love to see - we whupped a Final Four team 3 times!

Illinois Wesleyan 63, Wheaton 60
Illinois Wesleyan 61, Wheaton 59
Illinois Wesleyan 81, Wheaton 78

Is "whupped" really the appropriate verb here, Chuck?

Greg, of course it isn't (and I've been more accurate on 'foreign' boards), but on CCIW Chat people know better, and I gotta get Mugsy's goat when I can!

I thought that getting Mugsy's goat was CardinalAlum's job. Is he now subcontracting out the getting-your-goat duties, Mugsy?

[Mugsy]

Mugsy, very nice post - +k!  Next up is Whitworth - the Thunder should actually be favored (uh, oh! ); if they survive, they face either Hope or OWU - both known to be beatable by CCIW teams.  I think they genuinely have a shot at Salem!

Which this Titan would love to see - we whupped a Final Four team 3 times!

Illinois Wesleyan 63, Wheaton 60
Illinois Wesleyan 61, Wheaton 59
Illinois Wesleyan 81, Wheaton 78

Is "whupped" really the appropriate verb here, Chuck?

Greg, of course it isn't (and I've been more accurate on 'foreign' boards), but on CCIW Chat people know better, and I gotta get Mugsy's goat when I can!

I thought that getting Mugsy's goat was CardinalAlum's job. Is he now subcontracting out the getting-your-goat duties, Mugsy?

Everyone needs to know their role.  Mine is pretty clear on the D3Sports.com site.

I have representation from NCC and IWU lined up to keep me humble and to "mock and make sport of" me.  I'm taking applications from the remaining CCIW schools.

[Gregory Sager]

Mugsy, very nice post - +k!  Next up is Whitworth - the Thunder should actually be favored (uh, oh! ); if they survive, they face either Hope or OWU - both known to be beatable by CCIW teams.  I think they genuinely have a shot at Salem!

Which this Titan would love to see - we whupped a Final Four team 3 times!

Illinois Wesleyan 63, Wheaton 60
Illinois Wesleyan 61, Wheaton 59
Illinois Wesleyan 81, Wheaton 78

Is "whupped" really the appropriate verb here, Chuck?

Greg, of course it isn't (and I've been more accurate on 'foreign' boards), but on CCIW Chat people know better, and I gotta get Mugsy's goat when I can!

I thought that getting Mugsy's goat was CardinalAlum's job. Is he now subcontracting out the getting-your-goat duties, Mugsy?

Everyone needs to know their role.  Mine is pretty clear on the D3Sports.com site.

I have representation from NCC and IWU lined up to keep me humble and to "mock and make sport of" me.  I'm taking applications from the remaining CCIW schools.

I'm probably nicer to you than anyone in either the basketball room or the football room -- and you're a Wheatie and I'm a Parker. How sick is that?

[Gregory Sager]

After reviewing the Wheaton website it's hard to believe that they haven't been to the Sweet 16 before. Is that a typo ??

Wheaton has made three appearances, prior to 2008, in the NCAA Tournament with an accumulative record of 1-3 (1995 0-1; 1999 1-1; and 2005 0-1)

As sac outlined, Wheaton's been in the D3 tourney more than that.

Here's the tale of the tape for the eight CCIW programs, vis-a-vis the D3 tourney:

school	1st app	apps	W-L (pct)	E8s	F4s	champs
Augustana*	1975	11	23-12 (.657)	5	4	0
North Park	1978	9	26-6   (.813)	5	5	5
Millikin	1983	3	2-4   (.333)	0	0	0
Illinois Wesleyan	1984	18	39-18  (.684)	9	4	1
North Central	1984	5	2-6   (.250)	0	0	0
Elmhurst	1992	2	2-2   (.500)	0	0	0
Wheaton*	1995	5	4-4   (.500)	0	0	0
Carthage	2000	3	7-3   (.700)	2	1	0
TOTALS	1975	56	105-55  (.656)	21	14	6

*Includes 2007 tourney to date

[Gregory Sager]

Rochester and OWU have recently won titles.  Does any other remaining team have a title?   

Your age is showing, Mark. Ohio Wesleyan's title is now twenty years old.

[Gregory Sager]

Sac, you missed the most exciting of all - the year Wheaton defeated Grinnell and scored over 130 points.  Sadly, they were smoked by Wash U in the second round.  Must have been all that running around.

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Wheaton point-guard (and my favorite non-IWU CCIW player ever) Matt Nadlehoffer get injured towards the end of that Grinnell game, putting him in street clothes for the Wash U game in Round 2?

I could've sworn that it was Tim Seneff, not Matt Nadelhoffer, who hurt his knee in that Wheaton/Grinnell game.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Rochester and OWU have recently won titles.  Does any other remaining team have a title?   

Your age is showing, Mark. Ohio Wesleyan's title is now twenty years old.

Greg, respect your elders!

Sometimes 20 (or many more) years ago is easier to remember than last year's Amherst win.

I still remember Tom Gramkow's shot that beat ISU, but I've forgotten most recent Augie games!

[Gregory Sager]

Rochester and OWU have recently won titles.  Does any other remaining team have a title?   

Your age is showing, Mark. Ohio Wesleyan's title is now twenty years old.

Greg, respect your elders!

Mark's two years younger than me.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Um, OK, you see, I'd forgotten that!

It's a perk of age - any inconvenient 'facts', forget 'em!

[74impala]

Sac, you missed the most exciting of all - the year Wheaton defeated Grinnell and scored over 130 points.  Sadly, they were smoked by Wash U in the second round.  Must have been all that running around.

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Wheaton point-guard (and my favorite non-IWU CCIW player ever) Matt Nadlehoffer get injured towards the end of that Grinnell game, putting him in street clothes for the Wash U game in Round 2?

I could've sworn that it was Tim Seneff, not Matt Nadelhoffer, who hurt his knee in that Wheaton/Grinnell game.

You're right..he blew out his knee going up for a dunk.