MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Dennis_Prikkel]

Only one negative karma point - the HoF mob is slipping.

Or your paranoia is unfounded.

Not paranoia - just past experiences.   

If it walks like a duck....
DoS

....it could be a duck, or a Canada goose, or a swan, or a turkey..........

Amen and Amen - So let it be written, so let it be done.

[Pat Coleman]

Only one negative karma point - the HoF mob is slipping.

Or your paranoia is unfounded.

Not paranoia - just past experiences.   

If it walks like a duck....

DoS

Just think of all the frustrated posters you've driven away with your 'gang up to save our buddies' tactics.

You may not think you're doing it - but you are - enough people have said it publicly on these boards and in private to me.

It's a 'good ol boys' club - and that's okay.

Please just don't insult our intelligence by denying it.

DoS

Dude, the members of the HOF don't even all like each other, let alone gang together to beat up on you.

It's more that an unpopular poster will get smited by many people. It's fairly clear when someone is being a crank and just complaining to complain, or in the case of other unpopular posters, posts an excessive amount of whining about supposed injustices and makes excuses on multiple boards.

Complaining about karma brings more negative karma -- that has been shown time and again on this board and all the rest.

I actually don't think sac or Sager even use the karma feature. As you know, it's available to anyone with 200 posts, not just HOFers.

[petemcb]

Only one negative karma point - the HoF mob is slipping.

Or your paranoia is unfounded.

Not paranoia - just past experiences.   

If it walks like a duck....
DoS

....it could be a duck, or a Canada goose, or a swan, or a turkey..........

Amen and Amen - So let it be written, so let it be done.

My translation headset must be defective.  I'm not getting it.

[Dennis_Prikkel]

Only one negative karma point - the HoF mob is slipping.

Or your paranoia is unfounded.

Not paranoia - just past experiences.   

If it walks like a duck....

DoS

Just think of all the frustrated posters you've driven away with your 'gang up to save our buddies' tactics.

You may not think you're doing it - but you are - enough people have said it publicly on these boards and in private to me.

It's a 'good ol boys' club - and that's okay.

Please just don't insult our intelligence by denying it.

DoS

Dude, the members of the HOF don't even all like each other, let alone gang together to beat up on you.

It's more that an unpopular poster will get smited by many people. It's fairly clear when someone is being a crank and just complaining to complain, or in the case of other unpopular posters, posts an excessive amount of whining about supposed injustices and makes excuses on multiple boards.

Complaining about karma brings more negative karma -- that has been shown time and again on this board and all the rest.

I actually don't think sac or Sager even use the karma feature. As you know, it's available to anyone with 200 posts, not just HOFers.

Dude - if I was worried about my Karma I wouldn't post here.

But please don't ostrich on us, Pat - we've seen too often on this board, alone, the Hall of Fame gang - riding to the rescue of their brethren.

How many other boards have been infected by their brutish tactics?  I don't have the time or inclination to check it out - but from the emails I have received from non-CCIW former posters (and consequently those who just got frustrated and left and never came back and never told anyone) I'd think it might be more than a chance few.

How many dozens of posters have been driven away from looking at the advertisements on your site - by their bullying.

Opinions are great - whoever has them - but people don't need to be overwhelmed with blogging castration just because they don't agree with the current Hall of Fame clique.

[Pat Coleman]

How many other boards have been infected by their brutish tactics?

None, since they aren't brutish and there aren't any tactics.

I love people who throw out the ads argument like we're making a ton of money here. We LOSE money on the message board. It costs us more to keep it on the web than we get from the advertising revenue. The message board is a loss leader for us and a benefit to the fans.

[almcguirejr]

Only one negative karma point - the HoF mob is slipping.

Or your paranoia is unfounded.

Not paranoia - just past experiences.   

If it walks like a duck....

DoS

Just think of all the frustrated posters you've driven away with your 'gang up to save our buddies' tactics.

You may not think you're doing it - but you are - enough people have said it publicly on these boards and in private to me.

It's a 'good ol boys' club - and that's okay.

Please just don't insult our intelligence by denying it.

DoS

Well said.

[Dennis_Prikkel]

How many other boards have been infected by their brutish tactics?

None, since they aren't brutish and there aren't any tactics.

I love people who throw out the ads argument like we're making a ton of money here. We LOSE money on the message board. It costs us more to keep it on the web than we get from the advertising revenue. The message board is a loss leader for us and a benefit to the fans.

"Let's discuss (sports) in a positive way, sometimes kidding each other with no disrespect."

It's your house - far be it from humble little hungry me to cry over a disagreeable meal.

Thank you for the opportunity to voice my opinion.

DoS

[Gregory Sager]

Dude, the members of the HOF don't even all like each other, let alone gang together to beat up on you.

Tell me about it. Those other guys annoy the heck out of me.



Take sac, f'rinstance ... always taking the wheels out for a spin while leaving the place all cluttered.

[Gregory Sager]

On the plus side, we're getting great use out of that modified HOF Ralph Turner bust:

[fcnews]

Simple question. Is there a purpose for the Karma tally at all? Why is it needed on a discussion forum?

Congrats to Wheaton's Kent Raymond on Regional POY. I've only seen him play once. Heck of a player.

[Jim Matson]

Dennis,

Just relax.

Jim

[fcnews]

NABC All District teams have been announced:
Midwest Selections

1st Team
Kent Raymond - Wheaton (POY)
Nate Hanje - U of. C.
Anthony Pettaway - Defiance
Ryan Kroeger - Lawrence
Tie- Troy Ruths - Wash U.
       Larry Welton - Aurora

2nd Team
Brian Fogerty - Fontbonne
Jordan VanEss - Marion
Brett Wessels - Augustana
Brent Ruch - Elmhurst
Marty Young - Franklin

Coach of the Year - Jim Miller - Defiance

[Pat Coleman]

That lineup means Ruths and Welton will not be NABC All-Americans. We haven't had our final meeting on this yet but I can tell you both will be very high in our All-American release. Just doesn't seem right that a 50-some team region like the Midwest and the 35-team East are guaranteed to have three NABC All-American slots each, and no others.

[Gregory Sager]

I have no real way of knowing this for certain, but my guess is that within D3 circles over the past ten years the d3hoops.com All-American and All-Region teams have superseded the NABC All-American and All-District teams in terms of credibility, even though the NABC awards have more than two decades of seniority over the d3hoops.com awards. Unlike the NABC team, this website's All-American team is not apportioned on an every-region-gets-an-equal-share basis, which means that it's more about players than politics. All D3 regions are not created equal, and d3hoops.com, unlike the NABC, recognizes that.

The advantage to still having the NABC awards around is that it "spreads the wealth" by giving other players a chance to be recognized; the d3hoops.com All-Midwest Region team didn't include Brett Wessels of Augustana or Marty Young of Franklin, nor did it recognize Defiance head coach Jim Miller as COY. Thus, Dave Wrath at Augie gets to send out a press release about Wessels that he wouldn't otherwise be able to send, as do his colleagues in the Franklin and Defiance SID offices. That's a good thing. One can only hope, though, that whatever media coverage these awards get -- and I'm not sure if they'll get any at all -- will make the distinction that there's two completely different organizations distributing two completely different sets of awards, and that those two organizations have significantly distinct selection methodologies.

[AndOne]

The main focus of my thoughts on the subject (limited at best, I know) is tailored more toward simply trying to level the playing field (or court in this case) between the participating teams, especially when a team is good enough to be included in either the Sweet 16 or Elite 8 in what is promoted as a NATIONAL championship tournament.

As evidence that this might be a good idea, one needs to look only as far as tonight's results. Each of the 3 teams playing at home won. While the results may well have been the same on a neutral court, I'm sure the visiting teams and coaches, and those teams fans, would have appreciated the added opportunity that would be afforded by playing in a tourney that was truly more NATIONAL in scope rather than playing another road game in a hostile environment. 

Why am I not surprised Hope lost tonight?
Take even the #1 ranked team and make them play on a neutral court with as many fans rooting for the other team as for the higher ranked team and wadda ya get? You get a true NATIONAL tourney game where one team doesn't have the built in advantages of playing on a familiar floor and before an overwhelmingly superior number of fans. You also get a game much more likely to be decided by the superior and most deserving team. There are probably all kinds of reasons NOT to do what I suggest. Quite possibly, there is only one reason to hold the Sweet 16, or at least the Elite 8, games at neutral regional locations---fairness. All I know is as long as teams are allowed to play a series of home games past the opening game or 2, its NOT a true NATIONAL tournament no matter how the NCAA (or anyone else) refers to it.