MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Mr. Ypsi]

What else are they going to say? We're starting 2 rummies at guard this year?" Hardly.
Of course BOTH can't be 1st team all conference until Rosenkranz and Johnson are done filling the spots. TWO 1st team guards from the same school. Wow! When is the last time that happened?

AO, perhaps you are confusing Q with our #1 B-town cheerleader Ypsi?  Q certainly posts some very detailed analysis of the Titans, but then again he probably does as much if not more research than most on this board and has access (or did before the big move) to more information.  Even so, he is always fair to all teams in the conference and D3 for that matter which I'm guessing is why he's part of the AA selection committee. 

And as much as we love Chuck in Titan Nation, I think he might be the first to admit that as long as we can find 5 living, breathing bodies on campus to field a team, he thinks we have a shot at the Final Four.   

Now, now, don't exaggerate.

I'd require at least two of them to have played beyond junior high church league before I make my reservations for Salem.

I've gotten much more realistic in my old age.

But yes, I think a team ranked #18 in the country in the pre-season poll has 'a shot' at Salem.  I'm not predicting it, but I'm not throwing in the towel either. 8)

[augiefan]

Thanks for letting us know about the article regarding Coach G. As Augie fans we know he is pretty much universally disliked by the fans of the other 7 CCIW teams because of his courtside theatrics, but he sure has made the team competitive or better year in year out since his arrival in one of the two or three toughest conferences in DIII basketball. I imagine he might follow the path of Bo Ryan back to Di coaching once his kids are out of high school. Until then he's welcome to stay at Augie as long as he wants.

[AndOne]

Recruiting News------

With the completion of all necessary paperwork and official enrollment, North Central has announced the transfer of 6'7"  Cameron Sweatman from DI Bradley University.

Cameron played his high school ball at Calvary Academy in Springfield, IL where he averaged 10.3 ppg and 7.3 rpg. In his senior season, he had 61 blocks. After his senior campaign at Calvary, Cameron enrolled at Lake Forest Academy for a 5th prep season in 06-07. While at LFA, he averaged 10 ppg. He then accepted Bradley's offer to walk-on last season during which he red-shirted and practiced with the team, but, of course, did not play. Accordingly, he still has 4 years of eligibility remaining.
He will provide some inside scoring help while being a force on the defensive end, particularly on the boards.

Cameron is the nephew of Todd Sweatman, assistant hoops coach at Illinois College of the MWC.

http://www.yardbarker.com/media/media/6840
Floating from the free-throw line...

AndOne, here is a post I came across while trying to defend myself from your brutal attacks.

I don't see Sweatman on the 2008-09 NCC roster...is he hurt?

http://www.northcentralcollege.edu/x32088.xml

TQ---

"Brutal" is certainly the word I'd use to describe my gentle reminder that among all of us dedicated posters here in CCIWland nobody excels at extravagantly hyperbolic exaggeration like you, my esteemed friend.   

On a more serious note---my understanding is that, unfortunately, shortly after the beginning of open gym, it was discovered that Cam has a very potentially dangerous medical condition requiring ongoing treatment, evaluation, and monitoring. 

[AndOne]

Understood.

I guess, then, you are implying that Mr. Adams will be an All-American?  There is some volume here too, my friend.

Nice diversionary chats re baseball, soccer, and hockey.

Now back to basketball, and some RECRUITING NEWS.

North Central has pulled off a nice coup, and is announcing they have received a commitment from 6'3" guard Mark Adams of Aurora Central Catholic HS. While at ACC, Mark was All Suburban Catholic Conference in 06-07, and was the Conference POY this past season.

Among his accomplishments:

*Scored over 1600 points.
*All tourney team at both the 06 and 07 Sandwich T'Giving Tourneys.
*All tourney at Waubonsie Valley X-Mas Tourney in 06, and WV Tourney MVP in 07.
*Aurora Beacon News area player of the year for 07-08.
*Kane County Chronicle player of the year for 07-08.
*Averaged 19.1 ppg, 5 rpg, 2 apg, 2 steals, and 2 blocks last season.
*Shot 59 percent on 2 pointers, 38 percent on threes, and 79 percent on FTs
*Scored 34 points on a dazzling combination of inside and outside moves against eventual state champion Marshall in a sectional semifinal loss in his final game.

Mark was widely considered to have some D1 skills, but was overlooked, most likely due to his (lack of) height. He was one of the primary targets of the North Central recruiting efforts this year.
The following article appeared today in the Kane County Chronicle. Please note I deleted the end of the article which for some reason talked about the Batavia HS alumni baseball game.

Prep Zone: D-I schools were foolish to pass on Adams


If Mark Adams had his way, he might have never pulled the trigger on a college.

Finally, his father intervened, giving Adams the nudge he needed last weekend to commit to play basketball at North Central College.

The decision came none too early – by the time June turns to July, most college students-to-be are picking out furniture for their dorm rooms, not their actual schools.

"I still think in his mind he wasn't ready to commit anywhere ... It was just enough's enough," his father, also named Mark, said. "This went on long enough."

Adams' reluctance to decide was understandable. He badly wanted to play Division I basketball, and has the ability to do so.

The offers never came, and it's a shame. Some D-I schools missed the boat on the Aurora Central Catholic star, plain and simple.

The Chronicle Player of the Year fashioned a superb senior season, averaging 19.1 points and 5.2 rebounds a game in leading the Chargers to conference and regional championships. His final impression was a breathtaking 34-point outburst against eventual state champion Marshall in a surprisingly close-fought sectional semifinal.

"I thought for sure when we played Marshall and he scored 34 points and [Marshall] went on to win state, it would open some doors, but it just didn't happen," his father said.

Instead, more recruiting frustration followed, culminating in aip to Western Illinois in which miscommunication resulted in no basketball coaches around to greet the Adams after their 210-mile trek. It's a shame for the downtrodden Leathernecks, a perfect example of the level of Division I program foolish not to find a place for Adams.

There are several theories on why Adams was overlooked by the big boys. ACC plays in a low-profile hoops conference. Adams did not play AAU basketball, electing instead to spend his high school days as a three-sport standout for the Chargers. Chargers coach Nate Drye thinks his size – Adams was listed at 6-3, but is probably closer to 6-2 – was the biggest obstacle to a D-I scholarship.

"I think it was the height thing," Drye said. "People couldn't get past the mental block on that."

Despite the D-I snubs, Adams has lots to look forward to at North Central, where he can play a competitive brand of Division III basketball near family and friends. Adams, a physical guard with a versatile offensive game, is talented enough to make a major impact at the Naperville school.

The chance to show a few other coaches they miscalculated should only help his cause.

"I think he's got kind of an ax to grind, and I think it's going to work out in his favor," his father said.

Yes, my General, and author of multitudinous posts! "Some" volume indeed! However, full disclosure compels me to point out that only approximately 1/3 of the  volume of the referenced post is my own verbosity, least the remainder merely a restatement of a newspaper article. Additionally, the referenced post contained no prediction relative to future honors that we so frequently see associated with articles about players whose careers will be spent attired in green and white. 

[AndOne]

What else are they going to say? We're starting 2 rummies at guard this year?" Hardly.
Of course BOTH can't be 1st team all conference until Rosenkranz and Johnson are done filling the spots. TWO 1st team guards from the same school. Wow! When is the last time that happened?

AO, perhaps you are confusing Q with our #1 B-town cheerleader Ypsi?  Q certainly posts some very detailed analysis of the Titans, but then again he probably does as much if not more research than most on this board and has access (or did before the big move) to more information.  Even so, he is always fair to all teams in the conference and D3 for that matter which I'm guessing is why he's part of the AA selection committee. 

And as much as we love Chuck in Titan Nation, I think he might be the first to admit that as long as we can find 5 living, breathing bodies on campus to field a team, he thinks we have a shot at the Final Four.   

Perhaps yes, But in the above situations I think not.
I believe TQ himself knows that I respect and admire him as much as any of our dedicated posters in the CCIW Kingdom. I also believe he recognizes his position as the most, along with GS, prolific promoter of his favorite institution. 

[AndOne]

What else are they going to say? We're starting 2 rummies at guard this year?" Hardly.
Of course BOTH can't be 1st team all conference until Rosenkranz and Johnson are done filling the spots. TWO 1st team guards from the same school. Wow! When is the last time that happened?

AO, perhaps you are confusing Q with our #1 B-town cheerleader Ypsi?  Q certainly posts some very detailed analysis of the Titans, but then again he probably does as much if not more research than most on this board and has access (or did before the big move) to more information.  Even so, he is always fair to all teams in the conference and D3 for that matter which I'm guessing is why he's part of the AA selection committee. 

And as much as we love Chuck in Titan Nation, I think he might be the first to admit that as long as we can find 5 living, breathing bodies on campus to field a team, he thinks we have a shot at the Final Four.   

Now, now, don't exaggerate.

I'd require at least two of them to have played beyond junior high church league before I make my reservations for Salem.

I've gotten much more realistic in my old age.

But yes, I think a team ranked #18 in the country in the pre-season poll has 'a shot' at Salem.  I'm not predicting it, but I'm not throwing in the towel either. 8)

Is that like saying if Mr saw a fencepost with the words "Illinois Wesleyan" painted on it, that he'd vote for it??         

[titanhammer]

What else are they going to say? We're starting 2 rummies at guard this year?" Hardly.
Of course BOTH can't be 1st team all conference until Rosenkranz and Johnson are done filling the spots. TWO 1st team guards from the same school. Wow! When is the last time that happened?

AO, perhaps you are confusing Q with our #1 B-town cheerleader Ypsi?  Q certainly posts some very detailed analysis of the Titans, but then again he probably does as much if not more research than most on this board and has access (or did before the big move) to more information.  Even so, he is always fair to all teams in the conference and D3 for that matter which I'm guessing is why he's part of the AA selection committee. 

And as much as we love Chuck in Titan Nation, I think he might be the first to admit that as long as we can find 5 living, breathing bodies on campus to field a team, he thinks we have a shot at the Final Four.   

Perhaps yes, But in the above situations I think not.
I believe TQ himself knows that I respect and admire him as much as any of our dedicated posters in the CCIW Kingdom. I also believe he recognizes his position as the most, along with GS, prolific promoter of his favorite institution. 

A - TQ is very factual in his posts...he doesn't just give it the Don King treatment.  I would consider his material very well researched and thought out.
B - Remember, a man in his honeymoon stage is invincible!
C - Give the guy a break...he turns another year older on Wednesday.

[AndOne]

Thanks for letting us know about the article regarding Coach G. As Augie fans we know he is pretty much universally disliked by tyhe fans of the other 7 CCIW teams because his courtside theatrics, but he sure has made the team competitive or better year in year out since his arrival in one of the two or three toughest conferences in DIII basketball. I imagine he might follow the path of Bo Ryan back to Di coaching once his kids are out of high school. Until then he's welcome to stay at Augie as long as he wants.

Augiefan---

I'm not sure if "universally disliked" is an accurate description or not. And, if someone is disliked "universally" could it not be that the collective masses who "universally" dislike him are on to something with regard, not to his coaching prowess, but to his propensity to be unable to channel his aggressive drives into socially accepted patterns of behavior?

Let me give you an example which was related to me by the father of a player Coach G was recruiting a couple of years ago. I can't prove it, but I have no reason to suspect the father was lying. ALSO, I'M JUST THE MESSENGER HERE, NOT THE OBSERVER.  The father, mother, and son (player) were weekend guests of Augie and Coach G. Naturally they attended a game during their visit. The game was very close, and with about a minute left Augie's perhaps biggest star made a bonehead play and turned the ball over to the opposition. Coach G immediately call a TO. When the player who erred came within reach of Coach G, he reached out and grabbed him by the shoulders, shaking him violently, while screaming in his face to the effect of how stupid he was. The reaction of the father and son was that if he was this intensely aggressive and brutal to one of his brightest stars, how would he treat a lesser player on his teams?  The kid ended up at another school.

In fairness, i think the man can coach. That fact is evident by his record. I'm just not sure I'd want him coaching MY son, and if I was a player, I wouldn't respond to that type of "coaching."

[AndOne]

What else are they going to say? We're starting 2 rummies at guard this year?" Hardly.
Of course BOTH can't be 1st team all conference until Rosenkranz and Johnson are done filling the spots. TWO 1st team guards from the same school. Wow! When is the last time that happened?

AO, perhaps you are confusing Q with our #1 B-town cheerleader Ypsi?  Q certainly posts some very detailed analysis of the Titans, but then again he probably does as much if not more research than most on this board and has access (or did before the big move) to more information.  Even so, he is always fair to all teams in the conference and D3 for that matter which I'm guessing is why he's part of the AA selection committee. 

And as much as we love Chuck in Titan Nation, I think he might be the first to admit that as long as we can find 5 living, breathing bodies on campus to field a team, he thinks we have a shot at the Final Four.   

Perhaps yes, But in the above situations I think not.
I believe TQ himself knows that I respect and admire him as much as any of our dedicated posters in the CCIW Kingdom. I also believe he recognizes his position as the most, along with GS, prolific promoter of his favorite institution. 

A - TQ is very factual in his posts...he doesn't just give it the Don King treatment.  I would consider his material very well researched and thought out.
B - Remember, a man in his honeymoon stage is invincible!
C - Give the guy a break...he turns another year older on Wednesday.

A---a resounding YES
B---When you have time to come in here, the honeymoon is OVER!
C---38 isn't "older." I'm "older." The Mad Cow has me, not TQ!

[Titan Q]

C---38 isn't "older." I'm "older." The Mad Cow has me, not TQ!

11/19/1971

37 tomorrow...don't put 38 on me yet!

[Mr. Ypsi]

TQ---

"Brutal" is certainly the word I'd use to describe my gentle reminder that among all of us dedicated posters here in CCIWland nobody excels at extravagantly hyperbolic exaggeration like you, my esteemed friend.    

I take great offense at this post.

I have twice as many posts as Q, and AT LEAST ten times the hyperbole!

Indeed, my role is to remind Q to stay grounded by smacking me down from time to time.

BTW, Q, my IWU sweatshirt is 5 years older than you - think I should invest in a new one?

[Gregory Sager]

Not really a salvo or any intent to go to war. I think TQ himself recognizes there is no more prolific promoter of his team than himself--with just cause in many instances. Accordingly, just, as I said, a gentle reminder of his prognostications relative to the future achievements of last season's starting guards for the Titans whose introductory bios, like that of almost every new IWU player Bob introduces us to, contained the seemingly mandatory phrase "a future all conference player."   

Aw, don't ruin my happy vision of seeing some snark fly around in this room for the next 24 hours or so. We're generally a polite bunch, but a little edginess is perfectly OK every now and then just to keep things lively. You were off to such a nice start there by busting Bob's chops about his IWU propagandizing ... but then you had to go and make with the politeness and everything.

I mean, I suppose that Dennis Prikkel and I could snipe at each other for old time's sake, but the rest of you would get all "been there, done that" on us.

It's not easy being green,
unless your glasses are tinted blue and gold
then everything that happens to unfold
will be wonderfully forseen.

Now that winter is upon us,
rummies forsake their urban closets
on this board to lay their deposits
of bragadoccio and fuss.

it all still smells the same....

See? Now that is snark.

Thanks, Kermit!

[Gregory Sager]

Understood.

I guess, then, you are implying that Mr. Adams will be an All-American?  There is some volume here too, my friend.

Nice diversionary chats re baseball, soccer, and hockey.

Now back to basketball, and some RECRUITING NEWS.

North Central has pulled off a nice coup, and is announcing they have received a commitment from 6'3" guard Mark Adams of Aurora Central Catholic HS. While at ACC, Mark was All Suburban Catholic Conference in 06-07, and was the Conference POY this past season.

Among his accomplishments:

*Scored over 1600 points.
*All tourney team at both the 06 and 07 Sandwich T'Giving Tourneys.
*All tourney at Waubonsie Valley X-Mas Tourney in 06, and WV Tourney MVP in 07.
*Aurora Beacon News area player of the year for 07-08.
*Kane County Chronicle player of the year for 07-08.
*Averaged 19.1 ppg, 5 rpg, 2 apg, 2 steals, and 2 blocks last season.
*Shot 59 percent on 2 pointers, 38 percent on threes, and 79 percent on FTs
*Scored 34 points on a dazzling combination of inside and outside moves against eventual state champion Marshall in a sectional semifinal loss in his final game.

Mark was widely considered to have some D1 skills, but was overlooked, most likely due to his (lack of) height. He was one of the primary targets of the North Central recruiting efforts this year.
The following article appeared today in the Kane County Chronicle. [snip]

Yes, my General, and author of multitudinous posts! "Some" volume indeed! However, full disclosure compels me to point out that only approximately 1/3 of the  volume of the referenced post is my own verbosity, least the remainder merely a restatement of a newspaper article. Additionally, the referenced post contained no prediction relative to future honors that we so frequently see associated with articles about players whose careers will be spent attired in green and white. 

Bob, you should've avoided the "some volume" attack and gone with the "you've committed copyright infringement with that excessive newspaper quote" attack instead.

[Gregory Sager]

C---38 isn't "older." I'm "older." The Mad Cow has me, not TQ!

11/19/1971

37 tomorrow...don't put 38 on me yet!

OK, then ... happy birthday to the youngest member of CCIW Chat's Thousand Posts Club. 

What else are they going to say? We're starting 2 rummies at guard this year?" Hardly.
Of course BOTH can't be 1st team all conference until Rosenkranz and Johnson are done filling the spots. TWO 1st team guards from the same school. Wow! When is the last time that happened?

AO, perhaps you are confusing Q with our #1 B-town cheerleader Ypsi?  Q certainly posts some very detailed analysis of the Titans, but then again he probably does as much if not more research than most on this board and has access (or did before the big move) to more information.  Even so, he is always fair to all teams in the conference and D3 for that matter which I'm guessing is why he's part of the AA selection committee. 

And as much as we love Chuck in Titan Nation, I think he might be the first to admit that as long as we can find 5 living, breathing bodies on campus to field a team, he thinks we have a shot at the Final Four.   

Now, now, don't exaggerate.

I'd require at least two of them to have played beyond junior high church league before I make my reservations for Salem.

I've gotten much more realistic in my old age.

But yes, I think a team ranked #18 in the country in the pre-season poll has 'a shot' at Salem.  I'm not predicting it, but I'm not throwing in the towel either. 8)

Is that like saying if Mr saw a fencepost with the words "Illinois Wesleyan" painted on it, that he'd vote for it??         

Now, now, AO. It's not as though Chuck ever saw Mike Thomas play for the Titans.

(Sorry, Hammer. I couldn't resist.)

TQ---

"Brutal" is certainly the word I'd use to describe my gentle reminder that among all of us dedicated posters here in CCIWland nobody excels at extravagantly hyperbolic exaggeration like you, my esteemed friend.    

I take great offense at this post.

I have twice as many posts as Q, and AT LEAST ten times the hyperbole!

Ten times the hyperbole? You mean ten billion quadrillion times the hyperbole!

Why is Elmhurst hosting Aurora Univeristy tonight and playing at Simpson tomorrow?  The 'Jays will have played 3 games before North Central has their Tip-Off Classic tournament this weekend.  Seems like a lot of games early for EC.

That's a question best answered by either a member of the EC coaching staff or by someone who is in contact with them. Speaking of which:

Elmhurst 79, Aurora 65

The Spartans held a slim lead for most of the first ten minutes, but the 'jays caught them halfway thru the period and pulled out to a 13-point lead by halftime. The lead stayed in double digits throughout the second half, with Elmhurst (2-0) leading by as many as 21. Brent Ruch led five EC players who scored in double digits with 17, as Ryan Burks also had 13, Robert Strzemp 12, and Chris Childs and Mike McCurdy had ten apiece. Dustin Bainter led the 'jays in rebounds with nine.

http://elmhurst.edu/~athletic/Home/M-Basket/stats/2008-2009/melm02.htm

Thanks for letting us know about the article regarding Coach G. As Augie fans we know he is pretty much universally disliked by tyhe fans of the other 7 CCIW teams because his courtside theatrics, but he sure has made the team competitive or better year in year out since his arrival in one of the two or three toughest conferences in DIII basketball. I imagine he might follow the path of Bo Ryan back to Di coaching once his kids are out of high school. Until then he's welcome to stay at Augie as long as he wants.

Augiefan---

I'm not sure if "universally disliked" is an accurate description or not.

I agree with AO, but for a different reason. I would say that Giovanine's sideline antics are universally disliked by opposing CCIW fans (and, for all we know, by some Augie fans as well who are keeping their opinions of his game behavior to themselves). But it is not true that that opposing CCIW fans "universally dislike" the man himself, or at least there is no evidence available to support this. I would wager that very few opposing fans actually know the man. I don't, for one. For all we know, he may be a prince of a guy off of the court. I do know for a fact that a lot of his former players are extremely loyal to him, for what that's worth, and that kind of loyalty isn't always a given in terms of the coach/alumnus relationship. That means that he brings something to the table other than simply the acumen and energy to win basketball games. But most people are capable of separating the person himself from that person's actions when it comes to like and dislike.

I dislike Grey Giovanine's behavior during basketball games. But I have no summary opinion of the man himself overall, just bits and pieces of one. A basketball game just doesn't provide enough context to make a comprehensive judgment about a person. It can indicate certain things about that person, but it's not definitive.

[AndOne]

Elmhurst 79, Aurora 65

The Spartans held a slim lead for most of the first ten minutes, but the 'jays caught them halfway thru the period and pulled out to a 13-point lead by halftime. The lead stayed in double digits throughout the second half, with Elmhurst (2-0) leading by as many as 21. Brent Ruch led five EC players who scored in double digits with 17, as Ryan Burks also had 13, Robert Strzemp 12, and Chris Childs and Mike McCurdy had ten apiece. Dustin Bainter led the 'jays in rebounds with nine.

http://elmhurst.edu/~athletic/Home/M-Basket/stats/2008-2009/melm02.htm

I see where Zack Boyd who started Elmhurst's 1st game didn't make an appearance tonight vs Aurora. Illness? Injury? Coaching staff still experimenting?
EC fans--any info?