MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[GoVols]

SCORING DEFENSE
# Team                  G   Pts Avg/G
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1.Tri-State...........  6   354  59.0
2.Hope................  6   381  63.5
3.Calvin..............  6   404  67.3
4.Albion..............  6   409  68.2

FIELD GOAL PCT DEFENSE
# Team                  G     FG   FGA   Pct
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1.Tri-State...........  6    133   344  .387
2.Hope................  6    138   344  .401
3.Olivet..............  6    159   380  .418
4.Calvin..............  6    151   359  .421

I don't think thats something any of us would have predicted at the start of the season or even after non-conference play wrapped up.  It will be interesting if they can keep that up.  @ Hope Wed, host Calvin Saturday.  Big week for the Thunder after already dropping a home game to Albion yesterday.

Exactly. After losing to Albion and (likely) dropping games to Hope and Calvin this week, Tri-State is going to drop out of the No. 1 spot in these two categories as well as the No. 2 spot in the MIAA.

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[sac]

Exactly. After losing to Albion and (likely) dropping games to Hope and Calvin this week, Tri-State is going to drop out of the No. 1 spot in these two categories as well as the No. 2 spot in the MIAA.

TSU has to give up an average of 77 points between Hope and Calvin for their defensive points allowed to float above 63.5, that may or may not happen.  Calvin scored 59 the first time, it looks like TSU does a nice job controlling the pace of games.

Assuming Hope's average stays the same, thats what has to happen for there to be a new points allowed leader.   I don't think its a given they fall off leading these two categories even with 2 losses.

[realist]

With only two Hope players going to the foul line it is hard to claim Calvin played a very physical game.  Calvin can be thankful the 2 Hope f.t. shooters had an off day otherwise the final score is much higher.  With another 5 or 6 points all the excitment/drama at the end never happens.
As a Calvin fan it would be too much to expect Hope's bench to fail to produce the next time (s) we see them.   

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Player of the week selection could be interesting

Brandon McClary, Olivet----20 pts, 6 rbs vs Tri-State; 20 pts, 10 rbs vs Kzoo;  for the week 40 pts, 16 rbs on 16 of 34 shooting.

Tony Benford, Tri-State-----27 pts, 9-23 shooting vs Olivet, 31 pts; 31 pts,  9-26 shooting vs Albion;  for the week 58 pts, 18-49 shooting.

Marcus Vanderheide, Hope----17 pts, 3 rbs, 7-9 shooting vs Alma;  30 pts, 13 rbs, 14-18 shooting vs Calvin;  for the week 47 pts, 16 rbs, 21-27 shooting.

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That question has been answered - MVH - who also only committed one turnover in 58 minutes of play

[Hopester]

Looking forward to Wednesday's night game, I think it will be interesting to watch the backups for Hope. After not playing much on Saturday, one would figure that they will see much more minutes, especially to allow the starters to not pile up to many minutes this season. While playing though, I wonder how they will react psychologically after not really playing on Saturday.

[GoVols]

Looking forward to Wednesday's night game, I think it will be interesting to watch the backups for Hope. After not playing much on Saturday, one would figure that they will see much more minutes, especially to allow the starters to not pile up to many minutes this season. While playing though, I wonder how they will react psychologically after not really playing on Saturday.

There's four freshmen in that rotation. I think they'll still be excited to be able to play and they will contribute.

[Hopester]

Looking forward to Wednesday's night game, I think it will be interesting to watch the backups for Hope. After not playing much on Saturday, one would figure that they will see much more minutes, especially to allow the starters to not pile up to many minutes this season. While playing though, I wonder how they will react psychologically after not really playing on Saturday.

There's four freshmen in that rotation. I think they'll still be excited to be able to play and they will contribute.

Alas, they are freshman, which brings about an issue of confidence which had to be struck down a bit with the lack of playing time.

[dumezrules]

Looking forward to Wednesday's night game, I think it will be interesting to watch the backups for Hope. After not playing much on Saturday, one would figure that they will see much more minutes, especially to allow the starters to not pile up to many minutes this season. While playing though, I wonder how they will react psychologically after not really playing on Saturday.

There's four freshmen in that rotation. I think they'll still be excited to be able to play and they will contribute.

Alas, they are freshman, which brings about an issue of confidence which had to be struck down a bit with the lack of playing time.

If they react poorly psychologically then they will react poorly in a tight game and you dont want them on the floor right now anyway.....and why exactly dont you want the starters to "pile up too many minutes??" This isnt the NBA....these are 18-22 year olds with lots of energy and 72-96 hours between games!  I think you saw a preview of what the postseason will be like if there is no foul trouble in a game....

The frosh are talented and future stars but they will have to wait their turn this season....Next year they will be called upon to play as much as the seniors are now.

[SKOT]

Player of the week selection could be interesting

Brandon McClary, Olivet----20 pts, 6 rbs vs Tri-State; 20 pts, 10 rbs vs Kzoo;  for the week 40 pts, 16 rbs on 16 of 34 shooting.

Tony Benford, Tri-State-----27 pts, 9-23 shooting vs Olivet, 31 pts; 31 pts,  9-26 shooting vs Albion;  for the week 58 pts, 18-49 shooting.

Marcus Vanderheide, Hope----17 pts, 3 rbs, 7-9 shooting vs Alma;  30 pts, 13 rbs, 14-18 shooting vs Calvin;  for the week 47 pts, 16 rbs, 21-27 shooting.

Marcus Vanderheide wins it.

[scottiedawg]

Are there MIAA statistical archives beyond 1996-1997, which are on MIAA.org?

[HopeTV]

3. I don't know who the two that did the broadcast night (color guy was the Holland Christian coach, maybe?), but it was pretty brutal.   If you were a neutral observer watching that game, it was tough to draw any enthusiasm from the broadcast.   The color call was monotone, and not very insightful.   You would think for "the game" you would want a little better producion.

Well this being my first post on here, good thing it comes after Hope beat Calvin. But seriously the broadcasting on TV wasnt that great. I was in the Dew Crew, and DVRed the game and watched it again today, and the commentating was pretty bad and my roomate commented to me that he heard him say "home free" about 4 times in the couple minutes he watched in the beggining. Also it was mentioned earlier but having two Calvin fans talking about the game just doesnt seem fair..does it? Also the sound went out a few times as well as the screen going fuzzy once or twice.

I guess this is me complaining for those who couldn't be there to witness MVH and T Wolfe going to town and they deserve better

Either way it feels good to be a Dutchmen and gain that 1 game lead in the series.

One more thing about DVS. If anybody noticed after Veldy missed the final three and the buzzer sounded, DVS grabbed the ball and tossed it into the "Knight Club" or the "Knightmares" whatever they call themselves these days, and i know it must have felt better for him to be jumping around on their floor after the game. I know I loved it!

HOPE plays....Hope WINS!

[ChicagoHopeNut]

i know it must have felt better for him to be jumping around on their floor after the game. I know I loved it!

I am curious if anyone else had the same thought I did when I was watching the Dew Crew "storm" the court to celebrate the tense victory on Saturday but I immediately thought about numerous D-1 football events where one team beings to celebrate on the road or rally before the game on the road at midfield and it turns into a brawl.

As I watched Hope's fans celebrate I thought to myself. 1) I wish they'd have done that more under the basket and away from half-court. I don't want to provide Calvin with any new motivation.

2) I'm glad that no Calvin fan or player took offense in a way that led them to start a fight because we've seen that too many times at other levels of play. (And I am not suggesting Calvin players or fans would be more likely to do that, just that under Saturday's circumstances it would have been a Calvin person because they lost and Hope was celebrating. I hope and expect that if the situation was reversed the outcome would be the same). And I think that is a great sign of the mutual respect both schools have for each other at the end of the day.

As I told others I only really really dislike Calvin 2 (to 5) times a year when they play Hope. The rest of the time you all aren't that bad I mean you have your fair share of nice Dutch girls as well

[HopeConvert]

I'm not keen on the storming the court episode either.

1. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. I can't imagine Dew Crew members would relish Calvin fans storming their court. I seem to recall after the MIAA Championship game last year that someone on Calvin's sideline kept the Knights' fans from doing precisely that. I thought it was a good gesture.
2. Nothing good can come of it. It's easy for things to go a little too far.
3. It's not what this rivalry is about. This is a rivalry of mutual respect, with many, many shared ties (I should know!). I don't like gloating or rubbing the opponent's face in it. There's a lack of grace involved in taunting a defeated opponent (I'm pretty sure this was covered by St. Augustine in his teaching on just war.)

I hope Dew Crewers who read this board will keep this in mind for the future. I understand and appreciate the spontaneous enthusiasm, but it has to operate within certain constraints. Staying off the court is one of those.

[ChicagoHopeNut]

I hope Dew Crewers who read this board will keep this in mind for the future. I understand and appreciate the spontaneous enthusiasm, but it has to operate within certain constraints. Staying off the court is one of those.

I agree with you to a degree. But I would also emphasize I certainly don't think the Dew Crew took the action to "disrespect" or "taunt" Calvin. I think it was a rather spontaneous celebration. I just think in the future a better practice would be to reserve "storming the court" to home games and jump up and down in the stands on the road.

[HopeConvert]

I hope Dew Crewers who read this board will keep this in mind for the future. I understand and appreciate the spontaneous enthusiasm, but it has to operate within certain constraints. Staying off the court is one of those.

I agree with you to a degree. But I would also emphasize I certainly don't think the Dew Crew took the action to "disrespect" or "taunt" Calvin. I think it was a rather spontaneous celebration. I just think in the future a better practice would be to reserve "storming the court" to home games and jump up and down in the stands on the road.

That may or may not have been the intention (and we don't know if more than mere "storming" was involved), but that is an effect.

I'm not sure it's a gracious gesture at home either.